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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 1 2009 12:29 am
From: James Kanze

On Jun 30, 11:24 pm, Paavo Helde <pa...@nospam.please.ee> wrote:
> James Kanze <james.ka...@gmail.com> kirjutas:

> > As a general rule, it's probably best to avoid using
> > reference counted pointers on objects which themselves
> > contain reference counted pointers.

> Can you give some rationale for this claim? Is it just a dead
> sure way to avoid cycles? I'm asking because at least 90% of
> smartpointers in our applications reside inside of other
> smartpointed objects.

Obviously, it is a 100% sure means of avoiding cycles.

More generally, however: what sort of object would be managed by
a reference counted pointer, and would also contain one? There
are probably exceptions, but the only types of objects I can
reasonably see containing reference counted pointers are entity
objects, and you don't want reference counted pointers to entity
objects, since entity objects normally have deterministic
lifespans. If I look at my own code, almost all of the objects
I have which are managed by reference counted pointers are
agents of some sort or another---small polymorphic objects with
no state of their own, which are created and used to do just one
special thing. Any pointers they have are for navigation, and
so are either raw pointers, or if there is some chance that the
lifetime of the object referred to ends before the agent is
finished, some sort of "observer" pointer, which will
automatically be null'ed in the destructor of the pointed to
object.

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 1 2009 12:37 am
From: James Kanze

On Jul 1, 1:06 am, moongeegee <moongee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> How to determine we should use either stack/static storage or
> heap for C++ objects.

Use local variables (stack) when you can. Use dynamic
allocation (heap) when you have to. Some of the reasons which
might mean you have to:

-- The object has identity (can't be copied), and a lifetime
which doesn't correspond to that of local scope.

-- The object is polymorphic, and the exact type won't be known
until runtime.

-- The object is too big to fit on the stack. (This is a
purely technical issue, which means compromising with the
design.)

-- The object is too expensive to copy, and its value is needed
beyond local scope. (This is a purely optimization issue,
and shouldn't be invoked unless the profiler says you have a
problem. And there are often other solutions which are
better.)

> I know there are pro and con between stack/static storage and
> heap.

I don't know if you can speak of pros and cons. They server
different purposes.

> If I have a program which is written by other programmers, how
> to detect whether the program use stack or heap.

Why do you have to know? What difference does it make?

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 1 2009 12:41 am
From: James Kanze

On Jul 1, 9:09 am, "Fred Zwarts" <F.Zwa...@KVI.nl> wrote:
> "moongeegee" <moongee...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:bdb51606-fd24-48d1-8d5e-c28673a49035@l32g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
> > How to determine we should use either stack/static storage
> > or heap for C++ objects.
> > I know there are pro and con between stack/static storage
> > and heap. If I have a program which is written by other
> > programmers, how to detect whether the program use stack or
> > heap.

> I am not sure in how far this is a C++ question.

It's very much a C++ question. The answer would be completely
different in Java. Or even C, for that matter.

> The C++ standard does not specify when objects are stored on
> the stack or on the heap. This is a matter of
> implementations. Some implementations may not even use a
> stack.

The standard does define differently lifetimes for variables.
Such as auto (commonly called stack), and dynamic (commonly
called heap). The standard may not use the word "stack", but
the semantics of auto variables requires one. In the same way,
it may not use the word "heap" (in the sense used here: the free
space arena), but the semantics of dynamic lifetime require one.

> Further the question itself is not clear at all. For example,
> if a vector is declared as an automatic variable, were is it
> stored? Part of it may be on the stack, but part of it may be
> on the heap.

If a vector is declared as an automatic variable, the vector
itself is on the stack. What it does behind the scenes is
irrelevant.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 1 2009 2:25 am
From: "Fred Zwarts"

"James Kanze" <james.kanze@gmail.com> wrote in message news:76a6f752-8506-48f4-9ad9-2daaa7efe678@h11g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 1, 9:09 am, "Fred Zwarts" <F.Zwa...@KVI.nl> wrote:
>> "moongeegee" <moongee...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:bdb51606-fd24-48d1-8d5e-c28673a49035@l32g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
>> > How to determine we should use either stack/static storage
>> > or heap for C++ objects.
>> > I know there are pro and con between stack/static storage
>> > and heap. If I have a program which is written by other
>> > programmers, how to detect whether the program use stack or
>> > heap.
>
>> Further the question itself is not clear at all. For example,
>> if a vector is declared as an automatic variable, were is it
>> stored? Part of it may be on the stack, but part of it may be
>> on the heap.
>
> If a vector is declared as an automatic variable, the vector
> itself is on the stack. What it does behind the scenes is
> irrelevant.

How do you know it is irrelevant?
There is not enough information in the question to tell whether it
is irrelevant or not.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 1 2009 2:35 am
From: "Fred Zwarts"

"James Kanze" <james.kanze@gmail.com> wrote in message news:76a6f752-8506-48f4-9ad9-2daaa7efe678@h11g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 1, 9:09 am, "Fred Zwarts" <F.Zwa...@KVI.nl> wrote:
>> "moongeegee" <moongee...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:bdb51606-fd24-48d1-8d5e-c28673a49035@l32g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
>> > How to determine we should use either stack/static storage
>> > or heap for C++ objects.
>> > I know there are pro and con between stack/static storage
>> > and heap. If I have a program which is written by other
>> > programmers, how to detect whether the program use stack or
>> > heap.
>
> ...
>
>> The C++ standard does not specify when objects are stored on
>> the stack or on the heap. This is a matter of
>> implementations. Some implementations may not even use a
>> stack.
>
>The standard does define differently lifetimes for variables.
>Such as auto (commonly called stack), and dynamic (commonly
>called heap). The standard may not use the word "stack", but
>the semantics of auto variables requires one.

Could you be a bit more specific? Which part of the standard would
prohibit the use of heap storage for auto variables?

> In the same way,
> it may not use the word "heap" (in the sense used here: the free
> space arena), but the semantics of dynamic lifetime require one.

Maybe there is a reason why the standard does not use the terms
stack and heap.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 1 2009 2:07 am
From: "wizard"

Sorry for my previous mistatekes
I'm new on this group so I have made lots of mistakes.
I will try to explain more closely my problem on future.
Sorry You had to waste a lot of time to solve my simple problem.
But till now I was on C programming and now trying to port on STL C++.
I see the adventage but sometimes I have a big problem for me and have noone
who could help me. So looking forward to help from outside (professional
coders I mean)
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> "wizard" <gggg@wp.pl> wrote:
>
>> Why it doesn't work
>>
>> class Tnames
>> {
>> public:
>> wxString text;
>> wxString table;
>> };
>>
>> std::vector<Tnames> wektor;
>>
>> for (size_t i = 0; i < count; ++i)
>> {
>> Tnames temp;
>>
>> temp.text="text";
>>
>> wektor.push_back(temp);
>> }
>>
>>
>> for (int i=0; i<p_wek_t.size(); i++)
>> {
>> Tnames g = p_wek_t.at(i);
>>
>> g.table = "table";
>> }
>>
>> for (i=0; i<p_wek_t.size(); i++)
>> {
>> Tnames g = p_wek_t.at(i);
>>
>> wxPrintf(_T("%s\n"), g.table); // here doesn't work - i've got empty
>> string here
>> }
>>
>> I'm beginner on STL ;so Could somebody help me
>
> I try not to be too pedantic about posting compilable code examples and
> all that, however there are numerous errors and style issues in the code
> you posted that made it very difficult to find the problem you were
> specifically asking about.
>
> 1) Unnecessary use of non standard constructs: This group deals with the
> language itself and not in particular libraries. Using standard language
> in your examples here and at least explaining how non-standard classes
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>
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 1 2009 5:05 am
From: sujit

Hi,

I am getting error code 213 from SMTP server. What does it mean?

I gone through some material on web and it looks like
2 - first digit- indicates success
1- second digit - indicates informational message
3 - third digit - Not too sure what does it mean

From web I got refs for other error codes like
200 (nonstandard success response, see rfc876)
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221 <domain> Service closing transmission channel
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251 User not local; will forward to <forward-path>

But nothing for error code 213.

Can anyone help me with
1. Understanding what RFC is implemented by my SMTP implementer
2. Is there any RFC which specifies and describes 213 as some
meaningful error code. If yes what is RFC number?

Can i safely ignore this smtp error code without any issues. Can i
code something like
if ( smtp_error_code%100==2 )
//ignore error
else
//do some error handling

Is such kind of code normal protocol when you are sending emails
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Thanks
-Sujit

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 1 2009 5:19 am
From: pjb@informatimago.com (Pascal J. Bourguignon)

sujit <sujitkumar.bade@gmail.com> writes:

> Hi,
>
> I am getting error code 213 from SMTP server. What does it mean?
>
> I gone through some material on web and it looks like
> 2 - first digit- indicates success
> 1- second digit - indicates informational message
> 3 - third digit - Not too sure what does it mean
>
> From web I got refs for other error codes like
> 200 (nonstandard success response, see rfc876)
> 211 System status, or system help reply
> 214 Help message
> 220 <domain> Service ready
> 221 <domain> Service closing transmission channel
> 250 Requested mail action okay, completed
> 251 User not local; will forward to <forward-path>
>
> But nothing for error code 213.
>
> Can anyone help me with
> 1. Understanding what RFC is implemented by my SMTP implementer

SMTP is RFC2821, but there are a number of options documented in
additionnal RFCs.

> 2. Is there any RFC which specifies and describes 213 as some
> meaningful error code. If yes what is RFC number?

See section '4.2 SMTP Replies' in RFC2821.

> Can i safely ignore this smtp error code without any issues. Can i
> code something like
> if ( smtp_error_code%100==2 )
> //ignore error
> else
> //do some error handling
>
> Is such kind of code normal protocol when you are sending emails
> programmatic by using smtp?

Yes, any status starting with '2' means success so you can ignore the
details and go on.

--
__Pascal Bourguignon__

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 1 2009 8:27 am
From: "Fred Zwarts"

"sujit" <sujitkumar.bade@gmail.com> wrote in message news:652a58ab-bca2-4e69-a158-f48b54201e41@c36g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> Hi,
>
> I am getting error code 213 from SMTP server. What does it mean?
>
> I gone through some material on web and it looks like
> 2 - first digit- indicates success
> 1- second digit - indicates informational message
> 3 - third digit - Not too sure what does it mean
>
> From web I got refs for other error codes like
> 200 (nonstandard success response, see rfc876)
> 211 System status, or system help reply
> 214 Help message
> 220 <domain> Service ready
> 221 <domain> Service closing transmission channel
> 250 Requested mail action okay, completed
> 251 User not local; will forward to <forward-path>
>
> But nothing for error code 213.
>
> Can anyone help me with
> 1. Understanding what RFC is implemented by my SMTP implementer
> 2. Is there any RFC which specifies and describes 213 as some
> meaningful error code. If yes what is RFC number?
>
>
> Can i safely ignore this smtp error code without any issues. Can i
> code something like
> if ( smtp_error_code%100==2 )
> //ignore error
> else
> //do some error handling
>
> Is such kind of code normal protocol when you are sending emails
> programmatic by using smtp?

Since this is a C++ newsgroup, I will only go into the C++ part.
Shouldn't
if ( smtp_error_code%100==2 )
be changed into
if ( smtp_error_code/100==2 )
?
Ignoring the possibility that smtp_error_code > 999.
Maybe it is even better to change it into a switch like

switch (smtp_error_code/100) {
case 2:
// Success

case 4:
// Temporary failure, retry later

case 5:
// Definite failure, don't retry.

default:
// Unexpected response

}

(There may be more cases, but you get the idea.)

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