| Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se>: Sep 02 07:36AM On Thu, 2017-08-17, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: ... > You are in error, Jorgen. ... > repent and ask forgiveness for their sin ... and this remains > true no matter what percentage of the population says, "No, it > is okay to be gay." Late reply, but I'll just note that I believe loving and having sex with the wrong kind of people comes far down on God's list of sins. Not to mention raising a child together with an unusual partner. Compared to things we all probably do, like buying goods produced by child slave labor, and breaking the Golden Rule in general -- I'd find that much harder to explain. I also think you deep down agree with me on this. You may quote the Bible as response, but it will mean little to me, being an agnostic since the age of four, and an atheist since the age of six or so. Sorry about that. /Jorgen -- // Jorgen Grahn <grahn@ Oo o. . . \X/ snipabacken.se> O o . |
| "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Sep 02 08:31AM -0400 On 9/2/2017 3:36 AM, Jorgen Grahn wrote: >> is okay to be gay." > Late reply, but I'll just note that I believe loving and having sex > with the wrong kind of people comes far down on God's list of sins. God doesn't delineate between sin. To sin in the smallest degree is to sin against all of the Law. And even the smallest sin results in death of the soul. God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah before the day of judgment as a warning to other nations: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+19&version=KJV 4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter: 5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may ----know---- them. That word "know" in this context is Strong's 3045: http://biblehub.com/lexicon/genesis/19-5.htm http://biblehub.com/hebrew/3045.htm It is the same word used in this passage: http://biblehub.com/lexicon/genesis/4-1.htm 1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD. We learn in the New Testament the reason why Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed before the day of judgment: http://biblehub.com/jude/1-7.htm 7 (KJV) just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire. 7 (NIV) In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire. > Not to mention raising a child together with an unusual partner. You're reasoning through man's reasoning, not listening to God or His direction. Marriage on Earth is a foreshadowing of the eternal marriage all who are saved will have with Jesus. Marriage between a man and a woman is a natural, close, personal relationship which is given naturally to design. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+19%3A7&version=KJV 7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. The church is the bride, and she has made herself ready by trusting in the Lord, and being washed free from sin by receiving what Jesus did for us at the cross. > Compared to things we all probably do, like buying goods produced by > child slave labor, and breaking the Golden Rule in general -- I'd find > that much harder to explain. You're reasoning through man's reasoning. To be sure, those things you mention are harmful and heinous, and they do much harm to people here on the Earth, but any degree of sin destroys a soul. God looks at the soul condition of people because He is eternal. God looks at the eternal state of each man and sees all sin as damning. Here upon Earth, He cares about us and calls us not to be that way as those bad people you're describing, but we also learn that only by turning to Him and following Him and obeying Him and being obedient to His guidance are we able to overcome sin's influence upon us here in this world, because only Jesus Christ empowers us to be that way by the change which comes when we ask Him to forgive our sin. God calls us to be right and true and proper and holy in our lives. He does not call us to do bad things. But moreso than that, He calls us to come to His Son and ask forgiveness so our eternal soul is saved. Once that happens, then we are able to see and understand correctly how to proceed in this world, because He is there guiding and directing us spiritually, and because of our new spirit nature (born again nature) we are able to respond to that guidance. > I also think you deep down agree with me on this. I agree that things done here in the flesh are bad, and there are degrees of things done which do little harm to the flesh and our lives here in the flesh, and things which do much harm to the flesh and our lives here in the flesh, but the focus of the Christian is on our eternal soul state. Sin destroys a soul, and God's focus is on saving men, not making our flesh-based lives better, though obedience to Him naturally lends us to having better flesh-based lives. > You may quote the Bible as response, but it will mean little to me, > being an agnostic since the age of four, and an atheist since the age > of six or so. Sorry about that. I quote the Bible so you know the things I teach are not my own creation, but I am teaching you the things God has given to mankind. ----- Read it or not. Learn from His teaching or not. My teaching to you is in accordance with God's guidance, that I present before you the truth accurately. It is not my job to convince you. That is God's job alone. Having received this reply, you make a choice about what you'll do with this information. It will either work toward your salvation, or serve as a witness against you in your damnation. The path you take is yours, Jorgen, not mine. Thank you, Rick C. Hodgin |
| Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk>: Sep 02 07:18PM +0100 On 02/09/2017 08:36, Jorgen Grahn wrote: > You may quote the Bible as response, but it will mean little to me, > being an agnostic since the age of four, and an atheist since the age > of six or so. Sorry about that. I was a negative/implicit/weak atheist the day I was born and a positive/explicit/strong atheist from about the time I was able to process the concept of gods as explained to me (probably also aged around six) so I have been an atheist my entire life! I have identified as agnostic atheist (after giving agnosticism some thought) for probably the last 5 years or so. For the past couple of years I have also started to think that perhaps the Mathematical Universe Hypothesis (MUH) is true in which case our universe is a simulation that probably exists within another simulated universe in which case the chance of simulated gods existing is quite high as their supernatural powers would be evolutionary advantageous and one assumes evolution is pervasive and even happens within mathematical structures. Of course there is no way of knowing if our universe is simulated or not (unless a simulated god manifests) so I remain agnostic on the issue. /Flibble |
| David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>: Sep 02 08:48PM +0200 On 02/09/17 09:36, Jorgen Grahn wrote: > Compared to things we all probably do, like buying goods produced by > child slave labor, and breaking the Golden Rule in general -- I'd find > that much harder to explain. Be careful about generalising the Golden Rule - it can go too far. See #8 on this list for useful advice. <http://flyingspaghettimonster.wikia.com/wiki/The_Eight_I%27d_Really_Rather_You_Didn%27ts> |
| Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se>: Sep 02 04:25AM On Tue, 2017-08-29, Clifford Heath wrote: > Sigh. > C++ was always a train wreck, but now it's like > someone nuked the intergalactic railway convention. I haven't kept track of this thread, but noone promised that the C++11 (and beyond) tools would solve /your/ problem. And you're not obliged to use them all. You don't have to use /any/ of them. I design my code like I always have, i.e. the way I know will probably be successful. If a C++11 feature seems to make it easier or better, I'll give it a try. Not the best way to learn C++11 -- but the best way to get things done! Constexpr always seemed tricky; hard to know when it's usable, except in trivial situations. /Jorgen -- // Jorgen Grahn <grahn@ Oo o. . . \X/ snipabacken.se> O o . |
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