Sunday, April 15, 2018

Digest for comp.lang.c++@googlegroups.com - 25 updates in 4 topics

David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>: Apr 15 01:29AM +0200

On 15/04/18 01:16, Öö Tiib wrote:
> we disagree here? We can't argue either way? It just ... was so. You
> were purely annoyed but we got a chuckle. No one did any crimes.
> Period.
 
Fair enough.
 
> short while later, the int and char start hitting on the waitress who
> gets very uncomfortable and walks away. The string walks up to the
> waitress and says "You'll have to forgive them, they're primitive types."
 
:-)
 
My stock of computing (and especially C++) jokes is very thin. I have
to settle for some science ones.
 
 
An electron is speeding down the motorway, when it gets pulled over by a
policeman. "Did you know you were going at 99% of the speed of light?"
asks the policeman. "Damn, now I'm lost", says the electron.
 
 
An atom goes into a bar, and complains "I've lost an electron". "Are
you sure?" asks the barman. "Yes, I'm positive" says the atom.
David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>: Apr 15 01:30AM +0200

On 15/04/18 00:12, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> show this key to anybody! Then, nobody can impersonate you. If they did,
> the HMAC would not validate with your personal servers. Btw, keep those
> servers secure damn it! :^)
 
Or just use GPG to sign the message - it's the standard, and it's simple.
"Öö Tiib" <ootiib@hot.ee>: Apr 14 04:51PM -0700

On Saturday, 14 April 2018 20:50:07 UTC+3, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> To verify message authenticity and author click this link:
> http://www.libsf.org/Jesus_loves_you_will_forgive_your_sin/99999999.html
> ===== END MESSAGE #99999999 ============== Remember Revelation 20:14-15 ==
 
That is certainly progress! Now it looks lot more like what it is.
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Apr 14 04:55PM -0700

On 04/14/2018 07:30 PM, David Brown wrote:
> Or just use GPG to sign the message - it's the standard, and it's
> simple.
 
GPG is a standard format easily duplicated with lookalikes. People
would be able to create messages that look authentic when mimicking
my account. In order to now mimic my account they will have to in-
clude a lot of notable Christian content, and they'll have to have
it going to my website. If those parts are missing, it will be an
obvious forgery to anybody even casually looking at the message.
 
I am using GPG behind the scenes for encapsulation of the message,
but it's not displayed in the posted message, and the GPG signature
actually requires the content that is posted to be included.
 
Clicking the link at the bottom of these new messages will take you
to a page which has the GPG version, which can be independently
validated as authentic using my public key. It also will include a
C++ source file which lets you compile the program, pass messages
in or out, and validate their content.
 
Bottom line:
 
To simulate or emulate this new system, a person will have to do a
lot of web programming and setup, setup a URL that's similar enough
to fool people, and include a lot of information which positively
uplifts Jesus Christ, in order to mock me with any degree of non-
obvious forgery success.
 
If someone goes to such lengths, so much more the reward for me in
Heaven (Matthew 5:11-12).
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>: Apr 15 12:29PM +0200

On 15/04/18 01:55, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> clude a lot of notable Christian content, and they'll have to have
> it going to my website. If those parts are missing, it will be an
> obvious forgery to anybody even casually looking at the message.
 
Your suggested format is also easily forged - impersonators can copy
your content and your links. Let's be realistic here - the number of
people who will follow your links to verify your posts can be counted on
your fingers with both hands behind your back. It is not hard to make a
post that /looks/ like it has a GPG signature - but if the person
reading it has a newsreader that supports GPG, the newsreader will
automatically show if the signature is valid.
 
If you really think your additional signing and linking is relevant and
will be checked by people (my opinion here doesn't matter - this is just
technical advice) then add a standard GPG signature afterwards. That
should give you the best of both worlds in a way that will be most
likely to be checked by users.
 
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Apr 15 03:39AM -0700

On Sunday, April 15, 2018 at 6:29:25 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:
> technical advice) then add a standard GPG signature afterwards. That
> should give you the best of both worlds in a way that will be most
> likely to be checked by users.
 
Again, we disagree almost completely.
 
The evidence of the legitimacy of MY posts will be in every post,
so the discerning individual has a rapid means to confirm. To those
willing to just gloss over and assume ... they are self-condemned.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>: Apr 15 01:19PM +0200

On 15/04/18 12:39, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
 
> The evidence of the legitimacy of MY posts will be in every post,
> so the discerning individual has a rapid means to confirm. To those
> willing to just gloss over and assume ... they are self-condemned.
 
If the messages are normal GPG signed posts, then the discerning
individual will have the fastest possible way to confirm their
authenticity - their newsreader will show a green stripe for authentic
messages from your email address, and a red stripe for forgeries. It
does not get faster or easier. (At least, for people using newsreaders
that support GPG.)
 
We disagree entirely on the motivation or relevance of this sort of
signing (but we do agree that impersonation posts are not a good thing).
I am providing a technical opinion for a technical issue, nothing more.
Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com>: Apr 15 07:45AM -0700

On Saturday, April 14, 2018 at 7:15:05 PM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
 
> The Bible explains the difference:
 
> https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+6%3A44&version=KJV
 
> 44 No man can come to me, except the Father.
 
Do you honestly not see the circularity in this reasoning :-) That truth
value is assigned to one and only one of the many ancient deities in the old
texts because it says in one of the texts that its deity has truth value?
 
You're spamming, Rick. It's become a drug to you, if you try to stop, you
find you can't stop.
 
Be well,
Daniel
bartc <bc@freeuk.com>: Apr 15 04:52PM +0100

On 15/04/2018 15:45, Daniel wrote:
> On Saturday, April 14, 2018 at 7:15:05 PM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
 
>> The Bible
...
Aargh!!
 
The only possible use the bible has in these technical groups is as a
widely available (and free of copyright) standard text to serve as test
data for programs.
 
> You're spamming, Rick. It's become a drug to you, if you try to stop, you
> find you can't stop.
 
He certainly can't help replying to people responding to his posts.
Since on religious topics, no amount of reasoning is going to change
anyone's mind, the answer seems simple: just IGNORE the relatively small
number of OPs that are made. Then new threads will not build from those.
 
(I read most groups with posts shown in linear, unthreaded order. Almost
the entire page listing the most recent posts is full of this junk.)
 
--
bartc
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Apr 15 09:11AM -0700

On Sunday, April 15, 2018 at 11:53:05 AM UTC-4, bartc wrote:
> ...
> Aargh!!
 
> The only possible use the bible has in these technical groups is...
 
It's for your eternal soul, Bart. Until you come to Jesus and ask Him
to forgive your sin, you are still on the path to Hell after you die.
 
It's more important for everyone than other things because ... none of
us know when we will die.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
Chris Vine <chris@cvine--nospam--.freeserve.co.uk>: Apr 15 05:27PM +0100

On Sun, 15 Apr 2018 16:52:52 +0100
> number of OPs that are made. Then new threads will not build from those.
 
> (I read most groups with posts shown in linear, unthreaded order. Almost
> the entire page listing the most recent posts is full of this junk.)
 
Unfortunately there are a number of people who seem equally addicted to
replying to Rick's posts, thus giving him a further chance to spam this
newsgroup. Replying to on topic posts seems just as bad from this point
of view as responding to his off topic posts. He sees his on topic
discussions as an "entrée" to further off topic posts. He seems to aim
for about a one in three or one in four ratio, although it has been
worse than that lately.
 
Spam filters are a help but they don't stop you seeing the replies. If
that is still too annoying for a reader, the reader really has to use
other C++ fora, which is a shame.
 
Chris
gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack): Apr 15 04:35PM

In article <ac30da86-af13-45f9-83a5-eb74aa643e54@googlegroups.com>,
>texts because it says in one of the texts that its deity has truth value?
 
>You're spamming, Rick. It's become a drug to you, if you try to stop, you
>find you can't stop.
 
Of course, if that's actually true - that he can't stop - then there's not
much point in your pointing it out to him, is there?
 
I have in mind that the "5 stages of grief" model
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kübler-Ross_model)
can be applied to the plight of the Usenet spammer/troll.
 
The first stage is Denial. I think Rick is stuck in this stage.
 
We are all praying for his progression through the stages, to the last,
Acceptance. He needs to accept that he is a troll and forever will be.
 
--
I've been watching cat videos on YouTube. More content and closer to
the truth than anything on Fox.
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Apr 15 09:53AM -0700

On Sunday, April 15, 2018 at 7:20:12 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:
> I am providing a technical opinion for a technical issue, nothing more.
 
There's a much greater need in life than offering up technical opinions.
Look around to your communities and the communities around the world.
Our children are dying everywhere because the enemy has twisted their
worlds into disassociated islands of sin that keep them trapped in all
manner of false things and headed for death in this world, and keeps
them in death in eternity.
 
It is an absolute necessity for those who have come to understand the
nature of this enemy and fight, and the nature of that propensity toward
sin, to step up and teach so that as many as are able to hear can hear
and be saved.
 
I have chosen the direction I will go out of conviction. And God's
presence will surround, infiltrate, and permeate my entire life.
 
Jesus is the solution to EVERY PROBLEM. All people, yourself included,
need to be taught this.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Apr 15 09:56AM -0700

On Sunday, April 15, 2018 at 12:35:46 PM UTC-4, Kenny McCormack wrote:
> [snip]
 
Jesus Christ came into this world to save human souls from eternal death,
Kenny. He will save EVERYONE who comes to Him asking forgiveness. You
will not learn this from the world because there's also a fallen angel,
an enemy, Lucifer who is now Satan (accuser) who stands before God day
and night accusing each and every one of us of every sin we commit. That
enemy has one goal for your life: your eternal death in Hell.
 
Jesus has one goal for your life: forgiveness from sin, and eternal life
with God in Heaven.
 
THAT IS WHY I TEACH ABOUT HIM. WE ALL NEED HIM -- MYSELF INCLUDED.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com>: Apr 15 10:01AM -0700

On Sunday, April 15, 2018 at 12:35:46 PM UTC-4, Kenny McCormack wrote:
 
> Of course, if that's actually true - that he can't stop - then there's not
> much point in your pointing it out to him, is there?
 
It might be helpful if it encouraged Rick to try to stop, as an experiment, to
see if that was a problem. I'm convinced that he'd find out that it was.
Emphasis on might. I don't think anyone here has a real answer to "The Problem
of Rick", and people can make their own decisions whether to reply/not reply.
 
Daniel
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Apr 15 10:13AM -0700

On Sunday, April 15, 2018 at 1:01:34 PM UTC-4, Daniel wrote:
> see if that was a problem. I'm convinced that he'd find out that it was.
> Emphasis on might. I don't think anyone here has a real answer to "The Problem
> of Rick", and people can make their own decisions whether to reply/not reply.
 
Daniel, watch this video and see if you can learn why I give the fruit
of my life over to Jesus Christ. It is not for the reasons you think,
and it is an honor to serve Him:
 
Gospel of John (Biblically accurate and faithful movie)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47OkuvT5JFo
 
Jesus will impact your life to the point of undoing everything you were
focused on previously. It is the new spirit nature asserting itself
over the flesh. It is a new understanding, and it will blow your mind.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>: Apr 15 07:28PM +0200

On 15/04/18 18:53, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Sunday, April 15, 2018 at 7:20:12 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:
>> I am providing a technical opinion for a technical issue, nothing more.
 
> There's a much greater need in life than offering up technical opinions.
 
Yes, that's true - in the grand scheme of things, helping you make your
posts easily validated is a pretty irrelevant task. But you are not
interested in my opinions on non-technical matters, and they would be
off-topic here. There are plenty of other areas in my life where I can
do the non-technical stuff.
 
Incidently, I see that you method has failed completely - the first
spoof of your new format has turned up.
gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack): Apr 15 05:33PM

In article <pb023c$5al$1@dont-email.me>,
>do the non-technical stuff.
 
>Incidently, I see that you method has failed completely - the first
>spoof of your new format has turned up.
 
Everything Rick does is an abject failure.
 
--
The randomly chosen signature file that would have appeared here is more than 4
lines long. As such, it violates one or more Usenet RFCs. In order to remain
in compliance with said RFCs, the actual sig can be found at the following URL:
http://user.xmission.com/~gazelle/Sigs/ForFoxViewers
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Apr 15 10:39AM -0700

On Sunday, April 15, 2018 at 1:28:23 PM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:
> interested in my opinions on non-technical matters, and they would be
> off-topic here. There are plenty of other areas in my life where I can
> do the non-technical stuff.
 
Eternity lasts a lot longer than this life, David. Learn of Jesus
Christ and serve Him now, and in eternity. He is righteous and true
and faithful and just and He has all power and authority and it is
an honor to serve Him.
 
> Incidently, I see that you method has failed completely - the first
> spoof of your new format has turned up.
 
It is clearly not from me as it has many markings which are now
notably different, not just a slightly altered signature and the
word "Enterprises" tagged onto the (normally hidden) headers.
 
He can parody that format all he wants. Any changes he makes are
obvious. And any portions he copies exactly serve only to spread
the gospel message:
 
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Philippians+1%3A18&version=KJV
 
18 What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence,
or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice,
yea, and will rejoice.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Apr 15 10:41AM -0700

On Sunday, April 15, 2018 at 1:34:10 PM UTC-4, Kenny McCormack wrote:
> Everything Rick does is an abject failure.
 
I hope that you will be saved, Kenny. Let's pray you're wrong about
everything I do being a failure.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
"Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid>: Apr 15 12:11PM -0700

On 4/14/2018 4:55 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> to fool people, and include a lot of information which positively
> uplifts Jesus Christ, in order to mock me with any degree of non-
> obvious forgery success.
 
A URL that is similar enough is a vulnerability for this scheme. Even
with HMAC, a forgery can sign messages with another secret key and use
the fake server to authenticate it. However, the message would not
validate with your real servers, but they sure do with the fake one. So,
shi%!
 
 
> If someone goes to such lengths, so much more the reward for me in
> Heaven (Matthew 5:11-12).
 
Agreed. :^)
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Apr 15 01:17PM -0700

On Sunday, April 15, 2018 at 3:11:50 PM UTC-4, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> with HMAC, a forgery can sign messages with another secret key and use
> the fake server to authenticate it. However, the message would not
> validate with your real servers, but they sure do with the fake one.
 
I own the website and can track fake addresses and redirect them to
an explanation page about the usurping.
 
If it goes to someone else's website ... it's a different url and
that's fine too.
 
The impersonators have been posting using my name almost indistinguishably.
Not any more.
 
> So, .. !
 
If you want me to continue communicating with you, remove all profanity,
masked or overt, from your posts.
 
If not, fine by me. I'll skip right on by.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
woodbrian77@gmail.com: Apr 15 12:59PM -0700

Shalom
 
When I installed Manjaro it came with gcc 7.3 already installed
and this software:
https://github.com/Ebenezer-group/onwards
 
builds fine with g++. I installed clang using the pacman tool
and got clang 6.0.0. When I build the same software, I get an
error:
 
clang++ -stdlib=libc++ -std=c++17 -I. -Os -Wundef -W -Wall -Wextra -Wpedantic -Wreorder -o tiers/genz tiers/genz.cc
In file included from tiers/genz.cc:1:
In file included from ./Buffer.hh:2:
./ErrorWords.hh:2:9: fatal error: 'exception' file not found
#include<exception>
 
Previously I was using openSuse and was able to build the
software with both gcc and clang on that configuration. Any
ideas on how to fix this? Thanks in advance.
 
 
Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises - Enjoying programming again.
http://webEbenezer.net
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Apr 15 01:15PM +0100

===== BEGIN MESSAGE #66642666 ============================================
Our pasta, who art in a colander, draining be your noodles.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Many religions now come before us with ingratiating smirks and outspread
hands, like an unctuous merchant in a bazaar.
 
They offer consolation and solidarity and uplift, competing as they do in
a marketplace.
 
But we have a right to remember how barbarically they behaved when they
were strong and were making an offer that people could not refuse.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
| Empty are the
-- | cross and grave!
Rick C. Hodgin | They contain only
http://www.libsf.org/pgp_public_keys.html ---+--- worm food. We are
| only flesh.
----- Validation Signatures ----------------------------------------------
0123012345678 0123456789012345 -- 0102030405060708090a0b0c0d0e0f1011121314
0123012345678 0123456789012345 -- 0102030405060708090a0b0c0d0e0f1011121314
SHA1: 0102030405060708090a0b0c0d0e0f1011121314 20180414 081000 -- 99999999
SHA1: 0102030405060708090a0b0c0d0e0f1011121314 20180414 081000 -- 99999999
To verify message authenticity and author click this link:
http://www.libsf.org/God_invented_cabbages/66642666.html
===== END MESSAGE #66642666 ==============================================
kushal bhattacharya <bhattacharya.kushal4@gmail.com>: Apr 15 02:42AM -0700

On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 1:09:33 AM UTC+5:30, A Google User wrote:
> Hi All,
 
> Is there anybody who can work on freelance basis ? i have a project.
 
> Regards,
 
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