Monday, July 8, 2019

Digest for comp.lang.c++@googlegroups.com - 5 updates in 2 topics

Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid>: Jul 08 09:16PM +0100

On 07/07/2019 11:28, Juha Nieminen wrote:
> Limiting line length to 77 characters has been obsolete for decades.
 
We've got that in our newly introduced standard. Apparently it came from
Google.
 
Andy
"Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com>: Jul 08 10:58PM +0200

On 08.07.2019 22:16, Vir Campestris wrote:
>> Limiting line length to 77 characters has been obsolete for decades.
 
> We've got that in our newly introduced standard. Apparently it came from
> Google.
 
Some people noticed when Google dispensed with the "do no evil", and
wrote about it, but I think not more than a handful.
 
Corporate structures and bureaucracies are like that.
 
Mindless submission to arbitrary, outdated, often counter-productive rules.
 
My pet hypothesis is that the effect of knowledge is so strong and
positive that even when 95% of what one believes is bullshit, the 5%
mostly correct stuff more than makes up for the negative effects of the
rest.
 
So, these human organizations get by.
 
 
Cheers!,
 
- Alf
"Öö Tiib" <ootiib@hot.ee>: Jul 08 02:18PM -0700

On Monday, 8 July 2019 23:58:33 UTC+3, Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
 
> Some people noticed when Google dispensed with the "do no evil", and
> wrote about it, but I think not more than a handful.
 
It was "don't be evil" what they removed. Slogans like "do no evil"
or "do the right thing" are indicating stupidity (ignorance of our
almost total lack of foresight).
Martijn van Buul <pino@dohd.org>: Jul 08 10:15AM

* James Kuyper:
 
> being a significant issue for most developers a long time ago - the first C
> standard is 30 years old - older than many (most?) of the people writing C
> code.
 
Minix would be the counter argument there: There is a lot of legacy code
in Minix. While Minix 3 isn't a spring chicken anymore, there is a lot
of legacy from Minix 2 around, which harks from a time when this was
very much an issue. I've dabbled with Minix quite a bit in my youth (fond
memories there), and there was a generous portion of K&R C floating around in
there.
 
Not that I would advocate Minix to be the golden standard for C coding,
nor do I think that it's particularly on-topic here. While the "Operating
System, Design and Implementation" books are still somewhat relevant, they
were never intended as a textbook on *programming*.
 
--
Martijn van Buul - pino@dohd.org
James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu>: Jul 08 08:18AM -0400

On 7/8/19 6:15 AM, Martijn van Buul wrote:
> nor do I think that it's particularly on-topic here. While the "Operating
> System, Design and Implementation" books are still somewhat relevant, they
> were never intended as a textbook on *programming*.
 
Cases like that one are why I qualified my statement with the words
"significant" and "most".
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