Tuesday, January 24, 2023

Digest for comp.lang.c++@googlegroups.com - 9 updates in 2 topics

Zorro <zorabih@gmail.com>: Jan 24 03:09PM -0800

Z++ is platform-independent "superset" of C++ for distributed computing.
z++visual, IDE for developing Z++ applications, runs on Windows and Linux.
 
z++visual makes creating sophisticated GUI, simple, via drag-and-drop.
Applications built on either Linux or Windows, will run on both.
 
Z++ applications can communicate with one another. Autonomous agents can
travel among Linux and Windows nodes.
 
z++visual is free for personal/educational use.
 
Go to: https://www.zhmicro.com/new_user.php
"Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com>: Jan 24 03:12PM -0800

On 1/24/2023 3:09 PM, Zorro wrote:
> travel among Linux and Windows nodes.
 
> z++visual is free for personal/educational use.
 
> Go to: https://www.zhmicro.com/new_user.php
 
I suppose I should read the book first, just to be prudent:
 
https://www.zhmicro.com/z++_book.html
 
;^)
"Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com>: Jan 24 03:14PM -0800

On 1/24/2023 3:12 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
 
>> Go to: https://www.zhmicro.com/new_user.php
 
> I suppose I should read the book first, just to be prudent:
 
> https://www.zhmicro.com/z++_book.html
 
The following is going to piss a lot of people off:
________________
// Samples.zpp
#include<iostream.h>
using namespace ioSpace;
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
// ---------------------------------------------------------------- //
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
entry void main(void)
output << "Hello World!\n";
________________
 
 
void main
 
 
God damn it!
David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>: Jan 24 08:46PM +0100

On 24/01/2023 18:47, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
 
> All 3 of you use Thunderbird. Not precisely the same version but close. I assume
> you have tried to reproduce the steps which originally led you to see the defective
> post and you can no longer reproduce them.
 
You are correct that we all use Thunderbird, and it is definitely
something I considered. More relevantly, however, we all use
news.eternal-september.org. And I have just tested using a clean
installation of pan as an alternative newsreader, and seen exactly the
same effect.
 
I don't know why you think I can no longer reproduce the effect of the
broken post - I have made no such suggestion, precisely because I /can/
replicate it. I still see it on two different computers with
Thunderbird, and now also with Pan.
 
For convenience, I have taken a screenshot of the effect. I have not
used this site "paste.pics" before, and I apologise if there are
unwanted adverts or other effects. If you are sceptical of clicking the
link, then I can happily email the screenshot. But it seems a quick and
easy way to make a link to the screenshot.
 
<https://paste.pics/b4149f38abb4e210da0a71886714d014>
"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>: Jan 24 07:50PM


>>. . .
 
>Does eternel-september.org honor cancels?
 
It does not honor third-party cancels. It will honor first-party cancels
using the Cancel-Lock protocol but not a cancel control message without
using Cancel-Lock.
Marc SCHAEFER <schaefer@alphanet.ch>: Jan 24 07:56PM

> It does not honor third-party cancels. It will honor first-party cancels
> using the Cancel-Lock protocol but not a cancel control message without
> using Cancel-Lock.
 
In the past, it also had issues handling continuation Cancel-Lock lines,
I reported the problem to the newsmaster who did not reply.
 
--
Attention: limitez le nombre de lignes de citation à l'essentiel, sinon
je ne verrai pas votre réponse. Et si vous écrivez souvent des bobards,
je ne vous lirai plus et je recommanderai (NoCeM) de ne plus vous lire.
scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal): Jan 24 07:56PM

>link, then I can happily email the screenshot. But it seems a quick and
>easy way to make a link to the screenshot.
 
><https://paste.pics/b4149f38abb4e210da0a71886714d014>
 
Mea Culpa, you are correct that eternel-september has glitched
the body of that post. My NNTP provider provides the correct
body for that post.
 
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^From: Muttley@dastardlyhq.com
Newsgroups: comp.lang.c++
Subject: Re: Compute Unique Numbers in a Set
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2023 09:31:52 -0000 (UTC)
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On Wed, 18 Jan 2023 18:23:55 +0100
Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> wrote:
>| /dev/random, at least its entropy comes from nominally external sources so
>| is unpredictable in a busy enviroment.
 
>Absolutely not.
 
Really? How would go about predicting what packets will arrive on the network
or when a user will press a key then?
Manu Raju <MR@invalid.invalid>: Jan 24 10:00PM

On 24/01/2023 19:56, Scott Lurndal wrote:
 
> Mea Culpa, you are correct that eternel-september has glitched
> the body of that post. My NNTP provider provides the correct
> body for that post.
The cross-post was created by Bonita Montero according to the headings
pasted below. I checked it in "rec.arts.books" newsgroup and the first
post under "Compute Unique Numbers in a Set" was by Bonita in which she
said "Are you the twin-brother of Amine Moulay Ramdane ?". She didn't
add anything relevant to the Unique numbers in that post.
 
I don't think there is anything to suggest that there was a server
glitch but E-S did have some problems in the last two weeks when some
posts went missing but it has nothing to say that headers or bodies of
the posts were changed. I use E-S from time to time when I am looking
for something
 
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From: Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,comp.lang.c++
Subject: Re: Compute Unique Numbers in a Set
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2023 15:42:54 +0100
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David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>: Jan 25 12:00AM +0100

On 24/01/2023 23:00, Manu Raju wrote:
> posts went missing but it has nothing to say that headers or bodies of
> the posts were changed. I use E-S from time to time when I am looking
> for something
 
Of all the things said in this thread, I find it surprising that so many
people are again and again focusing on the wrong thing.
 
Bonita made the post you refer to. No one is in any doubt about that.
It is not an issue - she made a post, cross-posted to comp.lang.c++ and
rec.arts.books. It was a normal post - no server glitches or any other
nonsense.
 
The issue is the post that Bonita replied to when she made that post.
It is /that/ post that was special. On news.eternal-september.org, the
headers said it was a post from Muttley in comp.lang.c++ as part of the
conversation they'd been having. On all other servers, the message body
matched that and had a post from Muttley. But on
news.eternal-september.org, the message body sent by the server was for
a post in rec.arts.books. Bonita assumed that /Muttley/ had tried to
make the rambling essay post to rec.arts.books, but had got confused and
sent it to comp.lang.c++ instead. (I thought so too, until I realised
later that it was a server glitch.) To most people, her own post looked
confused and possibly malicious.
 
It would be helpful if people read the information about what happened -
I've explained it often enough. I've posted a screenshot link. I've
posted instructions about how you can see the problem for yourself. It
was a server glitch.
 
Now, it is possible that someone from news.admin.net-abuse.usenet can
give some useful insight into how the glitch could have occurred, or if
such things have happened before, or if it should be reported back to
news.eternal-september.org. That would be useful. Telling us again
that Bonita made the post that everyone knows Bonita made, is less useful.
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