| "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com>: Sep 26 02:11PM -0700 On 9/26/2023 1:58 PM, Michael S wrote: >> fun because its so weak. > We discussed it already. I don't think that SPARCv9 RMO hardware > ever existed and you failed to convince me otherwise. [...] heck, have you ever had to use a DEC Alpha that was so weak it did not even honor data dependent loads? This is interesting wrt RCU... ;^) |
| "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com>: Sep 26 02:17PM -0700 On 9/26/2023 1:58 PM, Michael S wrote: > ever existed and you failed to convince me otherwise. > As to weakness, I don't think that by specification it is weaker than IPF, > may be not even weaker than POWER. Certainly stronger than Alpha. The damn DEC Alpha did not even honor data-dependent loads, that is very weak. It's so weak it has to use membars to implement RCU. Sparc in RMO mode requires explicit MEMBAR for acquire and release. IN TSO mode it had implicit acquire and release wrt loads and stores much like x86. |
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| "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com>: Sep 26 03:07PM -0700 On 9/25/2023 11:08 AM, Kaz Kylheku wrote: >> And implementation that throws in this situation isn't bad for me. > An implementation that throws in mutex locks that aren't process-shared > robust mutexes or anything of that sort is a ... sick joke. Big time. |
| "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com>: Sep 26 03:28PM -0700 On 9/21/2023 11:42 AM, Kaz Kylheku wrote: > When the scheduler determines there is truly nothing to do then it is > legitimate to dispatch an idle task which suspends the processor until > an external event. Wrt adaptive backoff, did you ever read the following paper? https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/2686884 Iirc, David was an author on the paper I am having trouble finding wrt QPI. |
| "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com>: Sep 26 03:31PM -0700 On 9/21/2023 11:42 AM, Kaz Kylheku wrote: > When the scheduler determines there is truly nothing to do then it is > legitimate to dispatch an idle task which suspends the processor until > an external event. Damn it! I cannot find that paper wrt QPI or the quick path interconnect wrt Intel, and how to abuse it for even a userspace RCU. |
| Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org>: Sep 26 06:38PM -0400 On 9/26/23 8:36 AM, Bonita Montero wrote: > create an aribtrary number of that on any operating system. Yieling > is inefficient and I also mentioned why spin-locking is totally > inacceptable. Only if you do it wrong, like you are doing. You THINK yielding is inefficient, but it really isn't. IT only gives time to other threads that actually need it, so the processor is kept doing useful work. You also don't seem to understand how Schedulers ACTUALLY WORK. Just shows your ignorance. |
| Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org>: Sep 26 06:40PM -0400 On 9/26/23 11:33 AM, Bonita Montero wrote: > The userspace code must tell the kernel what it its waiting for. > Mutexes are always a combination of an atomic for the fast path > and a binary semapohre for the slow path. Sorry to tell you that you are just wrong. Please point to the code in the kernal that actually does this. If you can't, your just admitting that you have been lying about knowing how it works. |
| Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com>: Sep 26 11:16PM >> and resume(). There was no kernel object to allocate. > Maybe, but the C++ standard shoudn't mandate that. If you implement > a mutex yourself under Windows you'd need a kernel event or semaphore. Only if you had no imagination, research abilility, or skills for porting ideas from elsewhere to Windows. -- TXR Programming Language: http://nongnu.org/txr Cygnal: Cygwin Native Application Library: http://kylheku.com/cygnal Mastodon: @Kazinator@mstdn.ca NOTE: If you use Google Groups, I don't see you, unless you're whitelisted. |
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