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Date: Sun, Jun 28 2009 1:02 am
From: Selina peng

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 28 2009 1:05 am
From: Thomas Matthews

Amit Kumar wrote:
> Output of all the four statements are the same on Visual studio:
>
> std::cout << "Hello\n";
> std::wcout << "Hello\n";
> std::cout << L"Hello\n";
> std::wcout << L"Hello\n";
>
> If cout and wcout can handle both char strings and wide char strings
> then why do we need wcout?
>

Yes, wcout is required since changing the functionality of cout
would screw up a bunch of legacy programs.

However, there is nothing stopping _you_ from overloading
cout to perform the way _you_ think it should.

--
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 28 2009 1:24 am
From: "Bo Persson"

No, the results are not the same. Outputting a wide string to cout
differs from the others.

On recent versions of Windows, the question is "Why do we need cout,
when wcout works for both narrow and wide strings?".

On other systems, the question might be different.

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Date: Sun, Jun 28 2009 1:10 am
From: Selina peng

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 28 2009 1:19 am
From: Thomas Matthews

Immortal Nephi wrote:
> We discussed proxy class with getters / setters in earlier posts.
> You said design is flawed if getters / setters are defined in public.
> In another words, my answer is no and design is not flawed. You
> should judge yourself and be aware that your responsibility is to
> assure test to be successful.
> My writing is not clear. I apologize. I get information from the
> book. Please read page 97 of Deitel How to program C++ 6/e if you
> have a copy of book. It does explain in full details the introduction
> to class in chapter 3.
I thought Deitel & Deitel was a questionable reference for C++.
When in doubt, refer to Bjarne's book or the actual language
specification.

> My question remains unanswered. You can declare and define 100
> member functions in private. You should always put getters / setters
> in each member function out of 100 member functions. What happen if
> you change data member's variable name? You have to change it to all
> 100 member functions. Modification wastes your time.
The good thing about getters and setters is that you define an
interface. The name of the member variables that the getters and
setters access can change as long as the clients of the class
use the getters and setters. This allows true data hiding; the
getters and setters may not use variables at all!!!.

> You should not use data members directly from 100 member functions.
> You always access data members indirectly through getters / setters'
> member function.
I have yet to encounter an application that has 100 member functions
for accessing member variables. I choose to break up things into
smaller, more manageable pieces; usually by themes.

> Let me give you an example like you described engine in earlier
> posts. Think of black chip. Black chip is like CPU. You define
> getReadWrite(), getAddressBus(), getDataBus(), setDataBus(), and run()
> in public on interface.
What is black chip?
I would never design a CPU emulator in that fashion. CPUs are bit
more complicated.
[Snip -- description of CPU class design]

> Can you please state your opinion for the best C++ practice? Should
> you write direct data members to all 100 member functions before you
> test all of them to be 100% successful? Or…should you write indirect
> data members through getters / setters to all 100 member functions and
> they are defined in private?
My best practices is to start small, get it working, then build upon
the working base. Search the web for "Test Driven Development".

My current best practice is to invest in an interface class and
implementation classes. The interface class allows for different
implementations.

--
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 28 2009 1:58 am
From: Giuliano Bertoletti

Hello,

a quick question. Is there a reason not to declare any destructor as
virtual (aside from possible potential performance issues) ?

The MSVC 2005 class wizard asks me upon class creation if I want virtual
or not, while my older compiler always defined it as virutal.

Cheers,
Giulio.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 28 2009 5:13 am
From: Robert Hairgrove

Giuliano Bertoletti wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> a quick question. Is there a reason not to declare any destructor as
> virtual (aside from possible potential performance issues) ?
>
> The MSVC 2005 class wizard asks me upon class creation if I want virtual
> or not, while my older compiler always defined it as virutal.
>
> Cheers,
> Giulio.
>

If you are declaring a class which is not designed to be extended (i.e.
nothing should inherit from it) nor used polymorphically, there is no
need for a virtual destructor.

If your class is designed to be used polymorphically, i.e. as the base
class for dependent classes, then it *must* be declared virtual if your
code calls delete on a pointer to the base class which actually points
to an object of some derived type. Otherwise, there is undefined behavior.

If your class is derived from some other base class, and that base class
has a virtual destructor, then the destructor of the derived class (and
all other functions which override functions in the base class) is
automatically virtual ... i.e., there is no need to write it explicitly
with the "virtual" keyword.

HTH

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 28 2009 5:15 am
From: "Bo Persson"

Giuliano Bertoletti wrote:
> Hello,
>
> a quick question. Is there a reason not to declare any destructor as
> virtual (aside from possible potential performance issues) ?
>
> The MSVC 2005 class wizard asks me upon class creation if I want
> virtual or not, while my older compiler always defined it as
> virutal.

You need a virtual destructor if you are going to delete objects of
derived classes through a pointer to the base class. If you don't do
that, there is not much use for making the destructor virtual.

If you have no other virtual functions in the class, the virtual
destructor forces the creation of a vtable and adds a pointer to the
class size. If you have lots of classes or lots of objects, this might
make a difference. Or not!

Bo Persson

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 28 2009 2:10 am
From: Ian Collins

Juha Nieminen wrote:
> Immortal Nephi wrote:
>> Tens of member functions or
>> hundreds of member functions modify data members.
>
> I'd say that if you have tens or even hundreds of accessor functions,
> your class design is flawed.

Or even a couple!

--
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