Tuesday, December 1, 2015

Digest for comp.lang.c++@googlegroups.com - 25 updates in 8 topics

Mirek Fidler <cxl@ntllib.org>: Dec 01 11:33AM -0800

U++ is a free (BSD license) C++ cross-platform rapid application development framework focused on programmers productivity. It includes a set of libraries (GUI, SQL, etc..), and an integrated development environment "TheIDE".
 
https://sourceforge.net/projects/upp/files/upp/2015.2/
http://www.ultimatepp.org
 
The main focus of 2015.2 release was C++ parser and Assist++ features and Android NDK applications builder in TheIDE (library does not yet support Android though).
 

 
* Core
 
Improved C++11 support.
 
Leap second of 2015 added to time routines.
 

 
* GUI programming & graphics
 
Improved support of UHD displays.
 
New QTF command {{* is shortcut for {{~0/0 to simplify using invisible tables for organizing text.
 
PdfDraw now supports urls (e.g. when converting QTF/RichText to PDF).
 
RichText/QTF now support round borders for table cells.
 
ScatterCtrl: new features.
 

 
* TheIDE
 
Assist++ and C++ parser now support C++11 and non-project headers, parsing ability is generally improved.
 
Android builder.
 
UTF16 support, UTF BOM autodetection.
 
Rename/Delete package functions.
 
Layout designer has new code generation features and can jump to C++ using the layout.
 
Editor now truncates files longer than 200MB / 1GB (32/64 bits ide) while loading, makes them read-only.
 
Editor now shows misplaced whitespaces in source files.
 
TheIDE now detects binary files and provides binary viewer.
 
Toolbar has new navigation icons and icons to switch editation mode (text/designer/binary).
 
Legacy GDB-backended debugger was refurbished and became 'Standard' debugger for GCC.
 
Icon designer now shows images as files icons when inserting image files.
 

 
* Win32 releases
 
Win32 now does not come as .exe installer, but simple .7z archive, which acts as "portable" installation. Nothing is written to the registry, nothing needs to be installed, simply running "theide.exe" setups everything needed. (theide.exe is 64bit executable. For those unlucky to still run 32-bit os, there is theide32.exe).
 
There is once again 'mingw' variant which is coupled with TDM64 release of mingw-w64.
"Skybuck Flying" <skybuck2000@hotmail.com>: Dec 01 03:19AM +0100

Hello,
 
The question is:
 
Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?!
 
How can you be sure ? It's closed source software.
 
It's downloading all kinds of crap via Windows Update.
 
Having childporn on your computer is a crime and can result into jail time.
 
I think it is safe to say that the era of closed source software is OVER.
 
You are responsible for what is on your computer !!!!!!!!!
 
Bye,
Skybuck.
trolling tone <az@anyad.org>: Dec 01 09:48AM +0100

On 01.12.2015 03:19, Skybuck Flying wrote:
 
> You are responsible for what is on your computer !!!!!!!!!
 
> Bye,
> Skybuck.
 
User agent Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308
LOL
Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid>: Dec 01 09:49AM

> Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?!
 
No, because Microsoft is too smart to commit economical suicide.
 
If a troyan/virus is doing so, that's not on Microsoft.
 
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seeplus <gizmomaker@bigpond.com>: Dec 01 03:27AM -0800

On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 8:49:22 PM UTC+11, Juha Nieminen wrote:
> In comp.lang.c++ Skybuck Flying <xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?!
 
> No, because Microsoft is too smart to commit economical suicide.
 
But someone did do something a bit out of control when MS bought Nokia for
$7.5bill... and then just decided to chuck it, except for a Lumia model or two, which will soon go apparently. Biggest WTF loss ever.
 
It is just so big, some segments obviously have no idea what other segments
are up to.
The VS team are cohesive, but as a _single_ user, buying product (not residing in US), having to DL it ... a few fails after 1 1/2 hrs into it, and using
their new ("you must belong to an organization to register your SW") online licensing is a real pain.
Even an authenticated ISO image failed to install. Had to DL from another site.
 
You have no control over Windows 10 update. Just anything could/might happen.
Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid>: Dec 01 09:51AM -0800

On Tue, 1 Dec 2015 03:27:21 -0800 (PST), seeplus
 
>But someone did do something a bit out of control when MS bought Nokia for
>$7.5bill... and then just decided to chuck it, except for a Lumia model or two, which will soon go apparently. Biggest WTF loss ever.
 
That's why Ballmer had to go. Why the board permitted that is a
mystery to me. Was any Nokia technology applied in the Surface? I
don't know. I see no evidence of it. As a shareholder, I was not happy
to see the purchase move forward and I was even more unhappy to see it
squandered. Ballmer didn't have a clue about where to take the company
or how to do anything except milk the Windows cow. They seem to be
recovering and the decision to adopt a more open platform for
developers is encouraging. After being flat to negative for 8 years
MSFT is touching new highs since Ballmer's departure.
 
MSFT's use of P2P for software distribution might be better received
if it were left to users to opt-in to the idea, the whole Windows 10,
take it or leave it thing is just too much like Apple for the PC
crowd. Windows users for the most part _like_ tweaking their systems.
Apple manages to get a free pass for every new collection of bugs and
usability impairment to OS X and iOS and every version is Better(tm)
and Faster(tm) and the Most Advanced System Ever(tm)(c). Fanboyz
cheer.
Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net>: Dec 01 08:49PM +0200

On Tue, 1 Dec 2015 03:19:39 +0100, "Skybuck Flying"
 
>Hello,
 
>The question is:
 
>Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?!
 
You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.
 
Since you don't even know that much about computers, anything else you
say is obviously not worth readin.
 
 
 
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Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org>: Dec 01 11:11AM -0800

> <skybuck2000@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>The question is:
 
>>Is Microsoft
[snip]
 
> You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.
 
> Since you don't even know that much about computers, anything else you
> say is obviously not worth readin.
 
Nor is it worth replying to. *Please* don't feed the troll.
 
(Followups set.)
 
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woodbrian77@gmail.com: Dec 01 10:32AM -0800

https://meetingcpp.com/index.php/newsreader/items/c-user-group-meetings-in-december-2015.html

December meetings
 
2nd Saint Louis - Build Traits, Scott Meyers "gotchas" and group exercise
2nd Washington, DC - Q & A / Info Sharing
2nd Austin - Exploring Physical Design in C++ using Macaroni
4th Madrid - C++ en la industria del videojuego
9th Utah - Refactoring in C++
9th Warsaw - Analizy, transformacje i optymalizacje C++ za pomocą Clanga
9th San Francisco - Presentation and Q&A
10th Paris - C++ FRUG #9 - Not Dead Yet !
10th Dresden - Meeting C++
15th Zentralschweiz - Refactoring Coding Dojo
15th Berlin - TBA
15th Hamburg - Meeting C++
16th Sacramento - Talk C++
16th Washington, DC - Q & A / Info Sharing
16th Düsseldorf - 4th anniversary & C++ Quiz
17th Bremen - C++ User Group
17th Munich - Taming the Performance Beast
21st Austin - C/C++ Pub Social
23rd San Francisco - Workshop and Discussion Group
30th Washington, DC - Q & A / Info Sharing
 
 
If others are interested in a C++ meeting in the St. Paul,
Minnesota area, please let me know. By the grace of G-d,
I'm able to provide a meeting area in a conference room in
the office building where Ebenezer Enterprises is, and I
would be happy to give a talk or two.
 
Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises - In G-d we trust.
http://webEbenezer.net
Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com>: Nov 30 06:46PM -0600

On 11/30/2015 4:56 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/programminglanguages_definition.html
 
> I'm not sure how you can get more clear than that explanation.
 
> Lynn
 
BTW, my answer sounds a little snarky to me now. Please note that I did not intend it to be snarky.
 
Lynn
"Öö Tiib" <ootiib@hot.ee>: Nov 30 05:03PM -0800

On Monday, 30 November 2015 20:37:02 UTC+2, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> 9. Perl
> 10. C#
> 11. Java
 
It is perhaps understandable that lot of languages (like Lisp, Basic,
Pascal and Python) are missing (can't add everything) but what about
Javascript? Currently Javascript is the language what most people run
most of the time. Hard to dent its success.
Lynn McGuire <lmc@winsim.com>: Nov 30 08:30PM -0600

On 11/30/2015 7:03 PM, Öö Tiib wrote:
> Pascal and Python) are missing (can't add everything) but what about
> Javascript? Currently Javascript is the language what most people run
> most of the time. Hard to dent its success.
 
Yup, I am missing several languages from that list.
12. Basic
13. Pascal / Delphi
14. Javascript
15. Python
16. Lisp
 
Yes, Javascript (#7) will be around for a long time. I would definitely call it successful.
 
Wow, according to Tiobe, Lisp is #24. I wonder if that is all AutoLisp? It has been over 20 years since I wrote code in that.
http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html
 
Delphi at #12 and Pascal at #17 shocked me. Of course, we still write a lot of new code in Fortran (#22) for our calculation engine
since that it much easier to integrate than C++ (#3).
 
Lynn
"Öö Tiib" <ootiib@hot.ee>: Nov 30 07:27PM -0800

On Tuesday, 1 December 2015 04:30:18 UTC+2, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> 16. Lisp
 
> Yes, Javascript (#7) will be around for a long time. I would definitely call it successful.
 
> Wow, according to Tiobe, Lisp is #24. I wonder if that is all AutoLisp? It has been over 20 years since I wrote code in that.
 
Lisp was made very well right away and is second oldest alive and kicking
after Fortran. Its interchangeability of code and data allows both compile
time meta-programming and run-time dynamics. It is so tricky to mix
those things in C++ and then read the result with straight face so academics
prefer Lisp. ;)
 
> http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html
 
> Delphi at #12 and Pascal at #17 shocked me.
 
These are clean (if verbose) and easy to learn languages with fine tool
support. Pascal was initially made as teaching tool.
 
Christian Gollwitzer <auriocus@gmx.de>: Dec 01 07:52AM +0100

Am 30.11.15 um 19:31 schrieb Lynn McGuire:
 
>> (just kidding)
 
>> Christian
 
> I wish. The code from f2c is absolutely horrible.
 
I know, it was just a joke. I have integrated f2c'ed code (CLAPACK) into
another package, and one of the most annoying things was the error
"handling", where the code simply kills your application (STOP XXXX). I
ended up writing a custom transformer, which postprocesses the f2c code.
 
> We are going to try Fable next:
> http://cci.lbl.gov/fable/
 
Interesting! Thank you for this hint!
 
Christian
Wouter van Ooijen <wouter@voti.nl>: Dec 01 08:48AM +0100

Op 01-Dec-15 om 1:46 AM schreef Lynn McGuire:
 
>> Lynn
 
> BTW, my answer sounds a little snarky to me now. Please note that I did
> not intend it to be snarky.
 
No problem, as a non-native speaker I didn't even know what snarky meant
:) After looking it up: no, supplying info that was clearly not known
(to me) does not qualify as snarky.
 
But I can't say I am impressed with their method. One problem is that a
language can get lots of hits due to newbies asking questions (think
Java which is often used as a first language in education), while a
language that is used in professional circles that communicate by other
means than web fora will be severly underrated.
 
Wouter
Christian Gollwitzer <auriocus@gmx.de>: Dec 01 09:02AM +0100

Am 01.12.15 um 08:48 schrieb Wouter van Ooijen:
> Java which is often used as a first language in education), while a
> language that is used in professional circles that communicate by other
> means than web fora will be severly underrated.
 
TIOBE is often criticised, and I'm far from claiming that the method is
accurate. However, for huge disparities in the number of hits, it gives
an indication. Brainfuck or Unlambda will never be able to compete with
Java on that metrics. Chances are, that the Top 10 is known to almost
any programmer. If Java beats C++ or vice versa, cannot be answered
using this methodology. It's also very questionable to google for "C++
but not C" - the name is so similar and many people mix it up as "C/C++"
that I do not believe that the metrics can distinguish the two.
 
Christian
Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid>: Dec 01 09:45AM

> time meta-programming and run-time dynamics. It is so tricky to mix
> those things in C++ and then read the result with straight face so academics
> prefer Lisp. ;)
 
I don't think languages like Lisp and Haskell will ever be widely successful,
no matter how well-designed those languages might be. The reason is rather
simple: People think iteratively, not functionally. People think with
objects, not with recursive definitions. People think in terms of grocery
lists and recipes, not in terms of abstract mathematical definitions.
 
It's easy to get enamored with a functional language (and boast how you can
write terrific one-liners), but I don't think it will never gain wider
acceptance because it's too esoteric. People simply don't think like that.
 
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David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>: Dec 01 10:55AM +0100

On 30/11/15 22:56, Wouter van Ooijen wrote:
>> http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html
 
> Wow, yet another generator of heaps of numbers, without any clear
> indication how they are derived.
 
TIOBE works on that basis of the number of web searches and questions
posted to popular sites - making it completely useless as a way of
ranking anything other than the popularity of a language for beginners.
(Experts ask occasional questions too, but beginners swamp the
results.) So you can see that people ask a lot more questions about
Java than Python. That could mean that more people use Java - but it
could also mean that Python is more self-explanatory or has better
tutorials and more useful google hits than Java.
 
In other words, TIOBE is of /very/ limited use in trying to determine
anything more than "what's cool" in programming languages.
Chris Vine <chris@cvine--nospam--.freeserve.co.uk>: Dec 01 10:27AM

On Mon, 30 Nov 2015 20:30:02 -0600
> Wow, according to Tiobe, Lisp is #24. I wonder if that is all
> AutoLisp? It has been over 20 years since I wrote code in that.
> http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html
 
I doubt very much it is all AutoLisp. They probably mean all Lisp-2's
such as Common Lisp, and possibly Clojure which has a bit of a
following. I deduce this from the fact that it also has a separate
entry for Scheme, which is Lisp-1.
 
Add Lisp-1's and Lisp-2's together and it comes in the top 20 (at #20),
which is even more shocking.
 
Chris
Chris Vine <chris@cvine--nospam--.freeserve.co.uk>: Dec 01 10:43AM

On Tue, 1 Dec 2015 09:45:43 +0000 (UTC)
> you can write terrific one-liners), but I don't think it will never
> gain wider acceptance because it's too esoteric. People simply don't
> think like that.
 
Common Lisp (which is a variant I do not particularly like) regards
itself like C++ as a multi-paradigm language and in fact (unlike
Lisp-1's such as scheme) does not encourage recursion - looping is
normally implemented internally by mutating a loop count in the C style
rather than by recursion, because amongst other things it does not
require tail call elimination. It also has a very well developed object
system (CLOS) for OO programming, and mutation of objects in an
imperative style lies at the heart of the OO.
 
I think I agree with what you say about functional languages probably
not hitting the mainstream though. In the real world when you want to
refill your cup of coffee you do not smash your old cup and acquire a
new one ready filled, instead you fill up your old one. Parallelisation
might required imperative languages to take some functional techniques
more seriously though, as a means of isolating mutation in recognisable
places where they can be more easily reasoned about.
 
Chris
Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se>: Dec 01 06:29PM

On Tue, 2015-12-01, Juha Nieminen wrote:
> simple: People think iteratively, not functionally. People think with
> objects, not with recursive definitions. People think in terms of grocery
> lists and recipes, not in terms of abstract mathematical definitions.
 
Well, people should /learn/ how to think like that, then! It's an
important way of thinking about computing, and I think it should be in
anyone's toolbox (and not just because that's how C++ templates work).
 
That said, I cannot see myself using it as my main tool. But I know
people who do, and they seem fairly happy about it and moderately
successful.
 
/Jorgen
 
--
// Jorgen Grahn <grahn@ Oo o. . .
\X/ snipabacken.se> O o .
Eric Hart <ericjhart@gmail.com>: Dec 01 07:47AM -0800

> How can doing those odd things express that intent more clearly than
> the jump itself?
 
100% agree.
 
> ... Rules like "avoid goto" but "do whatever with exceptions"
> feel rather contradicting ...
 
Made me laugh!
 
I have my own C/C++ biases and prejudices formed over nearly 30 years, and "never use goto" was one of them. I've always written the extra test condition on the outer loop. After reading much of this thread, "goto label" used as though it were "break label" sounds perfectly reasonable.
 
I think I just lost one of my old biases. I probably only have a few thousand left to go...
Luca Risolia <luca.risolia@linux-projects.org>: Dec 01 04:32PM +0100

On 29/11/2015 21:27, MikeCopeland wrote:
> I can, of course, construct a string constant of these bits, but it's
> tedious to code and completely lacking in good documentation...
> Is there an easy way to do so in source code? TIA
 
consider an helper function taking a variable number of bit positions,
for example:
 
template<std::size_t N, typename...Pos>
void setbits(std::bitset<N>& bs, Pos... pos) noexcept {
(void)std::initializer_list<int>{((void) bs.set(pos), 0)...};
}
 
and use it this way:
 
std::bitset<100> myBits;
setbits(myBits, 7,9,43, 47, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 66, 67);
 
or, if you prefer:
 
template<std::size_t N>
void setbits(std::bitset<N>& bs, std::initializer_list<std::size_t>) {}
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"Öö Tiib" <ootiib@hot.ee>: Nov 30 04:52PM -0800

On Monday, 30 November 2015 19:18:48 UTC+2, Paul wrote:
 
> Thank You,
 
> Paul
> std::priority_queue<int, std::vector<int>, decltype(f)> pq( f, vec );
 
No. It can't work ... you need a function pointer not function.
The 'decltype' is keyword not function and looseness in its argument does
not work.
 
Following variants must work:
 
std::priority_queue<int, std::vector<int>, decltype(&f)> pq( &f, vec );
std::priority_queue<int, std::vector<int>, decltype(&f)> pq( **f, vec );
 
That looseness with function (or on current case constructor) function
pointer arguments is perhaps inherited from C ... I have forgot its history.
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