Wednesday, August 3, 2016

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jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr>: Aug 03 03:50PM +0200

Le 29/07/2016 à 14:53, Cholo Lennon a écrit :
> is in 3rd place and R is in the position 17th (not to mention that the
> 1st and 2nd places are swapped in both rankings)
 
> Regards
 
Yes but according to the figures now, C is in the first place there
also! Both measurements agree that C overtook Java and that C++ is in
the 3rd or 4th place
see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measuring_programming_language_popularity#/media/File:Tiobeindex.png
Cholo Lennon <chololennon@hotmail.com>: Aug 03 06:41PM -0300

On 08/03/2016 10:50 AM, jacobnavia wrote:
> the 3rd or 4th place
> see:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measuring_programming_language_popularity#/media/File:Tiobeindex.png
 
The Wikipedia image is not updated, just go to the TIOBE index website
in order to check the actual ranking: Java super-passed C several months
ago (March, 2015).
 
http://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/
 
Nowadays the difference between Java and C is on the increase on TIOBE
(19.804% delta +2 vs 12.238% delta -3.9, July, 2016)
 
 
Regards
 
 
--
Cholo Lennon
Bs.As.
ARG
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Aug 02 04:44PM -0700

On Tuesday, August 2, 2016 at 7:24:24 PM UTC-4, Daniel wrote:
 
> I understand, it's the stories that interest you, not the scholarship that places
> the texts in their historical context. Much like, I suppose, it's Shakespeare's
> plays that interest me, not the Oxfordian vs Stratford debate.
 
You've mentioned twice now that you recognize the stories are what interest
me.
 
I don't know where you come to that conclusion, but at not point have you
asked me what it was about the Bible that I am drawn to. My history as a
Christian began in childhood when I grew up in a home that went to church.
I grew up going to church, never thinking twice about it. When I began to
grow up I started to ask questions. I saw the hypocrisy in people's
actions, and the Biblical teachings. I concluded it was all a lie, and
stopped going to church at age 15. I was an atheist from that point
forward.
 
In 2004, a Christian co-worker was asking me questions about the Bible.
Being honest with myself, I got to the point where I had to confess that
I didn't know enough about the Bible to be able to refute his questions.
I was convinced the Bible was nonsense, and that God did not exist, and
that Jesus Christ was just a man who lived a couple thousand years ago,
and nothing more.
 
I knew in my core being that if I were to examine the Bible, I would come
to the realization that it's nonsense, and I could then dismiss it with
authority because I had studied it, garnered an understanding of it, and
came to the rational conclusion that it was bunk.
 
I resolved to honestly and truly learn the truth of the Bible. I wanted
to truly know what it said, why it said it, and so on.
 
In so doing, I set my sights on the truth. And to surprise beyond my
imagination, I became a believer as I began reading it. I was born again
and my life changed. That was 2004. I now see things through the born
again nature, and I am amazed by it to this day because it is real, and
it is more real than the things in this world.
 
This walk has cost me everything in my life. I currently do not have a
single friend who calls upon me to hang out. My wife and I were both non-
believers when we married, and we both had similar worldly appetites for
flesh-focused things. When I was born again, all of that changed for me,
but it did not change for her. She's still a non-believer to this day,
and I have no affection, no companionship, no close confidant in my wife,
yet we remain married because of my son (born in 2004).
 
It has cost me jobs, though not directly. Always indirectly. There's
always some other reason why I can no longer be employed there. It costs
me service at local shops where I walk in and they all move away and do
not help me, the "Christian customer."
 
And so on.
 
-----
My walk for Jesus Christ is only for one reason: I am born again, and I
have found the truth, and I know that He is the One we all need to be
saved from the sin we're in until we come to know Him.
 
A version of my testimony from years ago is here:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ivvvs8ZqPUA
 
Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Aug 02 04:56PM -0700

On Tuesday, August 2, 2016 at 7:44:37 PM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> ... When I began to
> grow up I started to ask questions. I saw the hypocrisy in people's
> actions, and the Biblical teachings.
 
This should read:
 
"I saw the hypocrisy in people's actions, [compared to] the Biblical
teachings"
 
... meaning I saw people at church professing to believe in one thing from
the Biblical teachings, but then doing something completely different in
real life, and yet still calling themselves Christians. It offended me
that people could be so two-faced. I've often wondered even in my own
walk for the Lord, how many things He would be able to write on a list
that I am two-faced about, as I go through my life doing things that some
others might look at and say, "See, you hypocrite!"
 
Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin
Christian Gollwitzer <auriocus@gmx.de>: Aug 03 08:44AM +0200

Am 03.08.16 um 01:04 schrieb Rick C. Hodgin:
> time, and not for nothing. In it, you meet the One true God, [...]
> There are no other documents anywhere which convey the history and teachings
> of the Bible, as a single source from beginning to end
 
You realize that the Bible was not written from the beginning to the
end, not even clericals claim this: it was compiled from different
"books", described in detail here:
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_the_Christian_biblical_canon
 
The different councils of Nicaea and Trent also played a role in this
process; i.e. the content of the bible was, in the end, an order, set by
law.
There are many similar books (Qumran, apokryphs, ...) that were excluded
in that process.
 
In contrast, according to the believers of Islam, the Quran was written
in one piece and dictated to Mohammed by God.
 
Christian
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Aug 03 05:11AM -0700

On Wednesday, August 3, 2016 at 2:44:16 AM UTC-4, Christian Gollwitzer wrote:
 
> You realize that the Bible was not written from the beginning to the
> end, not even clericals claim this: it was compiled from different
> "books", described in detail here:
 
My statement was that the Bible was an assemblage over time from a single
author: God. It was assembled together from many separate books, but it
is one author, and has one purpose: to lead people to Jesus Christ (which
is to salvation, to forgiveness of sin, to restoration, to eternal life).
 
There may be aspects of other stories, other writings which convey similar
events to those of the Bible, but there is no single source document
anywhere that is as comprehensive. And I'll go so far as to say there
are no multi-source documents that could be scrounged together to either
be as comprehensive.
 
Why? Because it is God's written message to man.
 
> in that process.
 
> In contrast, according to the believers of Islam, the Quran was written
> in one piece and dictated to Mohammed by God.
 
If you study the Quran, you'll find it contradicts itself, and is nothing
more than a doctrine of hate toward anyone except other Muslims.
 
Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin
Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk>: Aug 03 05:04PM +0100

On 03/08/2016 00:44, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> but it did not change for her. She's still a non-believer to this day,
> and I have no affection, no companionship, no close confidant in my wife,
> yet we remain married because of my son (born in 2004).
 
You need to take a long hard look at yourself and your priorities and as
to what is more important in your life: your family or your ridiculous
faith which is predicated on the contents of an old book of fiction
written by men with stories of magic (a clue: it isn't the magic).
 
 
> It has cost me jobs, though not directly. Always indirectly. There's
> always some other reason why I can no longer be employed there. It costs
 
Maybe if you didn't post religious bullshit to technical forums pissing
lots of people off in the process you would find it easier to get work.
NOBODY is interested in your proselytising in technical forums.
 
/Flibble
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Aug 03 09:13AM -0700

On Wednesday, August 3, 2016 at 12:04:25 PM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
> [snip]
 
I thought you put me in a blocked / banned list.
 
Can a sparrow be anything other than a sparrow? If it tried, what would
it be?
 
I have been born again, Leigh. I can do nothing else. It is the same
for all people who are born again world-wide. They have a true, saving
encounter with Jesus Christ, and the falseness of this world is peeled
back before their eyes and they can see it, its harm, its hate, its
filth. They move toward God with everything they do from that point
forward.
 
Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin
Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk>: Aug 03 05:18PM +0100

On 03/08/2016 17:13, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> back before their eyes and they can see it, its harm, its hate, its
> filth. They move toward God with everything they do from that point
> forward.
 
Born again? What you mean is you had a psychotic episode probably during
a mid-life crisis and you started attaching religious significance to
your delusions rather than getting professional help (this is called a
lack of insight).
 
What you need is medication mate.
 
/Flibble
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Aug 03 09:49AM -0700

On Wednesday, August 3, 2016 at 12:18:34 PM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
> your delusions rather than getting professional help (this is called a
> lack of insight).
 
> What you need is medication mate.
 
When Jesus forgives your sins, you no longer have sins. Since the
punishment of sin is death (spiritual death, eternal death), even
though we are alive here in this world in our flesh, yet are we dead
in eternity. When Jesus takes our sin away, transferring them from
us to Him at the cross, then we are sin-free, and alive again in
eternity. When that happens, the previously dead spiritual component
of our nature becomes alive, and we are changed.
 
Our lives are then no longer as they were before, being flesh-only,
but we are now born again spiritually, alive spiritually, so we are
both flesh and spirit.
 
The two natures are in direct conflict, as the flesh is fallen in
sin, and the spirit is alive in eternity. The spirit is greater,
so born again believers overcome sin in their life and begin working
for those things God would have us work for.
 
It is internal, natural, completely spiritual, and for the most part
all people who come to faith and are born again are absolutely
astounded by the transformation, because it's not us doing it. It's
our spirit nature, and the work of His Holy Spirit in our lives.
 
And, like sight for a blind person ... it cannot be described to you
in a way you'll understand, just as what seeing is like cannot be
described to a blind person because they cannot understand sight
through that which they already know. But, if they could suddenly
see, no explanation would be required because it would be obvious
to them, as it is to us, what it's like to see.
 
For the born again person, the spirit nature asserts itself in a way
that's obvious to us, but it is nothing of the flesh, and the flesh
cannot understand it.
 
Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin
Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk>: Aug 03 06:01PM +0100

On 03/08/2016 17:49, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> lack of insight).
 
>> What you need is medication mate.
 
> When Jesus forgives your sins, you no longer have sins. Since the
 
Nope, Jesus never existed. Also, as far as sins are concerned, the
seven deadly sins are all perfectly acceptable behaviour.
 
/Flibble
Christian Gollwitzer <auriocus@gmx.de>: Aug 03 07:04PM +0200

Am 03.08.16 um 14:11 schrieb Rick C. Hodgin:
>> in one piece and dictated to Mohammed by God.
 
> If you study the Quran, you'll find it contradicts itself, and is nothing
> more than a doctrine of hate toward anyone except other Muslims.
 
The Bible also contradicts itself. This is inevitable as soon as a book
is compiled from several sources, which you accepted.
 
Christian
Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk>: Aug 03 06:10PM +0100

On 03/08/2016 18:04, Christian Gollwitzer wrote:
>> more than a doctrine of hate toward anyone except other Muslims.
 
> The Bible also contradicts itself. This is inevitable as soon as a book
> is compiled from several sources, which you accepted.
 
He will now reply that there are no contradictions as the Bible is
written by God and you are being deceived by Satan's lies.
 
/Flibble
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Aug 03 10:11AM -0700

On Wednesday, August 3, 2016 at 1:04:46 PM UTC-4, Christian Gollwitzer wrote:
> > more than a doctrine of hate toward anyone except other Muslims.
 
> The Bible also contradicts itself. This is inevitable as soon as a book
> is compiled from several sources, which you accepted.
 
The Bible does not contradict itself. There are a few places where it
appears to contradict itself, but upon closer scrutiny it does not.
 
Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Aug 03 10:26AM -0700

On Wednesday, August 3, 2016 at 1:11:53 PM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > is compiled from several sources, which you accepted.
 
> The Bible does not contradict itself. There are a few places where it
> appears to contradict itself, but upon closer scrutiny it does not.
 
Here's how Satan works:
 
He appears to our flesh, our flesh-based reasoning mind. He puts up
things which seem like they're truth, and at a glance would generally
be agreed upon everyone to be truth, or at least to be more than
likely truth, when in fact they are overt lies.
 
He does this so people who aren't really interested in pursuing the
truth will see a little, assume a lot, and run the other way under
the falseness. But for those who will take the time to dig deeper,
you'll find the truth is always there, and it's always the exact
opposite of what Satan has taught through the various mechanisms he
uses here in this world (people, ideas, doctrines, influences into
feelings, emotions, thoughts). As a spirit, he is able to inject
those things into our flesh, and we (since we have no ability to
discern the spirit) think it's just us thinking or feeling whatever
we are thinking or feeling, when in fact it's the DIRECT result of
that enemy spirit influence.
 
God promises that everyone who digs deep and pursues the truth will
find it. But for those content to believe whatever's on the surface,
whether it's true or not ... they are the ones who will be deceived.
 
There really is a battle on for your soul, your eternal life, your
existence in this universe. It really is taking place right now.
And your eternal destination really will be determined by what you
did with Jesus Christ, with truth.
 
Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin
Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk>: Aug 03 06:32PM +0100

On 03/08/2016 18:26, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> existence in this universe. It really is taking place right now.
> And your eternal destination really will be determined by what you
> did with Jesus Christ, with truth.
 
See? I called it.
 
/Flibble
Christian Gollwitzer <auriocus@gmx.de>: Aug 03 07:54PM +0200

Am 03.08.16 um 19:32 schrieb Mr Flibble:
 
>> Here's how Satan works:
>> [...]
 
> See? I called it.
 
Yes - that was to be expected. Quite strangely it is possible to believe
in some reasonable sense, where you strictly separate divine and secular
worlds, but this here .... is probably a disorder.
 
Christian
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Aug 03 11:11AM -0700

On Wednesday, August 3, 2016 at 1:54:46 PM UTC-4, Christian Gollwitzer wrote:
 
> Yes - that was to be expected. Quite strangely it is possible to believe
> in some reasonable sense, where you strictly separate divine and secular
> worlds, but this here .... is probably a disorder.
 
I can only point people to the truth. Each person must receive it for
themselves.
 
Not everybody's going to be saved. Many will perish.
 
Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin
bleachbot <bleachbot@httrack.com>: Jul 25 08:24PM +0200

Martin Shobe <mashobe9@gmail.com>: Aug 02 07:52PM -0500

On 8/2/2016 3:45 PM, MikeCopeland wrote:
>> to tell what error did you got.
 
> All true. I knew I was posting a lot here, but I didn't want to show
> code that (I thought) wasn't pertinent to the issue. My apoligies.
 
Here's a suggestion when asking for help in the future. If you think
there's code that is not pertinent to the issue, remove it and see if
the issue goes away. If it does, you'll know you were wrong about it
being pertinent and you'll have a clue about what is actually wrong. If
it doesn't go away, you'll have a simpler example of the problem that
will compile.
 
Martin Shobe
Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com>: Aug 02 08:56PM -0700

On Tue, 2 Aug 2016 12:27:58 -0700, MikeCopeland <mrc2323@cox.net>
wrote:
 
>to work...except the std::map named "eyMap". The function "setYearMax"
>fails when I execute the code, but other setters and getters work as
>desired.
 
Since the code you posted never calls setYearMax, how are we supposed
to help.
 
<snip>
 
>void DBE_Info::setYearMax(int eYear)
>{
> eyMap[eYear] = maxAgegroup; // This FAILS!!
 
If we sign a non-disclosure agreement, will you tell us how it fails.
It would also be nice if you showed us the definition of maxAgegroup.
 
As an aid in debugging, you may want to print the value of
maxAgegroup, either in this function or just before calling it.
 
 
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Paavo Helde <myfirstname@osa.pri.ee>: Aug 03 08:43AM +0300

On 2.08.2016 23:45, MikeCopeland wrote:
 
> It doesn't update the map object when I walk through the code with the
> debugger, and there's nothing in the map object when I access the object
> in later code. In essence, nothing happens in the code that fails.
 
This probably means that you are updating a wrong object, maybe a copy
of it which was made inadvertently somewhere along the path. By default
C++ uses value-and-copy semantics (unlike some other popular languages),
so one needs to use explicit reference syntax in places where copying is
to be avoided.
 
If you want more help you need to post the code which is actually
calling setYearMax().
Paavo Helde <myfirstname@osa.pri.ee>: Aug 03 01:27PM +0300

On 2.08.2016 23:45, MikeCopeland wrote:
 
>> Maybe maxAgegroup should be a parameter here? Are you aware that a
>> function can have multiple parameters?
 
> Yes. My laziness being exposed... 8<{{
 
We have the saying that the diligent (is this the right word?)
scratches, but the lazy washes. Same here, messing around with globals
keeps you busy all the time ;-)
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