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| David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>: Aug 04 10:17AM +0200 On 03/08/16 19:54, Christian Gollwitzer wrote: > Yes - that was to be expected. Quite strangely it is possible to believe > in some reasonable sense, where you strictly separate divine and secular > worlds, but this here .... is probably a disorder. Certainly there are plenty of people who are mainly rational, logical, educated and intelligent - and yet believe in a god of some sort. There are people who study the cosmos, date dinosaur fossils, research evolution, trace genetic markers in modern lifeforms back through billions of years - and yet study the Bible (or Quran, or whatever) and pray to god for guidance in their work. But a key difference is that they don't claim that their faith negates science - nor that science negates faith. They don't feel they have to choose - they have both, and each part of them answers different questions. They don't look to the Bible to explain how genetics works - they don't look to their science research to explain how forgiveness of sins works. They have a balance in their lives. Sure, that balance will vary somewhat from person to person - but it is the balance and combination that makes this seemingly contradictory situation work for them. You make think it is strange to think that rational people can be so convinced by a completely irrational belief. But it is an important part of what makes us human. Even if we disregard religious beliefs or other supernatural things, a good many rational people are or have been in love. Biologically, being "in love" is close to bipolar disorder (manic depression), while long-term love is psychologically similar to a drug addiction. It is certainly irrational and illogical - but no one sees that as contradictory or in conflict with a scientific mindframe. The problems start when people get themselves in a jumble about these different aspects of their lives. Religious faith won't explain dinosaur fossils any better than love will - and equally, you can't scientifically prove anything about a god any more than you can prove anything about love. |
| Christian Gollwitzer <auriocus@gmx.de>: Aug 04 11:10AM +0200 Am 04.08.16 um 10:17 schrieb David Brown: > sins works. They have a balance in their lives. Sure, that balance > will vary somewhat from person to person - but it is the balance and > combination that makes this seemingly contradictory situation work for them. I fully agree. > You make think it is strange to think that rational people can be so > convinced by a completely irrational belief. If this is directed to me, then I came across in a wrong way. I have been in that position for many years, only later dropped God out of my worldview. So the key point, as you say above, is the clear separation between religion and science, they answer different question. > The problems start when people get themselves in a jumble about these > different aspects of their lives. In the case(s) observed in this group, the necessary distinction between both worlds seems to be missing. Christian |
| David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>: Aug 04 12:15PM +0200 On 04/08/16 11:10, Christian Gollwitzer wrote: > been in that position for many years, only later dropped God out of my > worldview. So the key point, as you say above, is the clear separation > between religion and science, they answer different question. Sorry, no, it was not directed at you specifically. It was "you" plural. ("Yous" in Glaswegian, or "All y'all" in some parts of the USA.) >> different aspects of their lives. > In the case(s) observed in this group, the necessary distinction between > both worlds seems to be missing. Well, as many people say, this is not really the right group for such discussions. And many people who do make such distinctions, don't take part in the discussions - perhaps precisely because they make the distinction. (They probably don't talk about C++ in alt.religion groups either.) |
| "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Aug 04 05:34AM -0700 On Thursday, August 4, 2016 at 4:17:24 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote: > ...Certainly there are plenty of people who are mainly rational, logical, > educated and intelligent - and yet believe in a god of some sort... http://biblehub.com/kjv/psalms/14-1.htm "...The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God..." > evolution, trace genetic markers in modern lifeforms back through > billions of years - and yet study the Bible (or Quran, or whatever) and > pray to god for guidance in their work. To undermine the Genesis account of a literal six-day creation is to undermine Jesus Christ, and everything about the Bible. If evolution is true, then death came before Adam. If death came before Adam, then Jesus died for nothing because death is the punishment of sin, and Jesus came to free us from death by taking away our sin. David, the Genesis account is true. You do not believe this today because there is an enemy of God who is exceedingly clever, whipping up all manner of alternate theories on everything that there is, every subject, every topic, and all of it is designed to remove God from the equation. By removing God, by appealing to man's fallen-in-sin thinking and reasoning, people will never see their sin as sin, will never see the possibility of a real punishment, and therefore will never come to Jesus Christ, ask forgiveness, and be saved. In those cases ... the enemy wins, and you lose. > But a key difference is that they don't claim that their faith negates > science - nor that science negates faith. Biblical Creationists will state that science will prove the Biblical account. And it has and is proving it in all cases. At every point in history where man has made some proclamation that they've proven there is no God, later science has undone it. The enemy always loses because truth always wins. But many will be deceived into their own destruction because they didn't pursue the truth, and in the absence of apparent truth, they didn't have faith to stand upon God's word, but instead inclined to their own thinking, which is corrupt because of sin, and can be deceived by the enemy because of sin. > dinosaur fossils any better than love will - and equally, you can't > scientifically prove anything about a god any more than you can prove > anything about love. You begin with a solid recognition and foundation that God is, He exists, and the things He's created are as He's indicated. It proceeds forward from there ("it" being your life, your thinking, your considerations, and so on). Biblical Creationists begin by saying: The Bible is true. Now, based on what we see in nature, how do the two align together? We see world-wide fossils in the rock layers and read the Biblical account of a world-wide flood, and put the two together. We see diverse animal forms in the fossil record, and a Biblical account that God created kinds, coupled to the recent unimaginable complexity found in genetic code realization, and conclude that it's too complex to evolve, and contains too much specific and extremely specific coding to have evolved, and then seek to ask, "Well, how then would we get these varying forms in the past?" And we look again to the world around us and see the various kinds, and the various species in each kind, and realize that by selective breeding you can create a new-looking thing, that is still like the original, but different, and then realize that because DNA is so complex, all of that variability is already in there, and that all we're doing is causing certain sequences to express themselves by breeding, which is what has been happening all along naturally, because God programmed it in there. And it goes into all areas of our life here upon this Earth: http://biblehub.com/kjv/psalms/19-1.htm "...The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork." The Creator God. The Redeemer God. The One we all need. And for so many, the One they flatly reject (because of sin, and sin's effect on our inner makeup ... remember that Adam ate from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, and died spiritually that day, so now the evil spirits, unseen demonic forces, can prowl around introducing all manner of spiritual influence upon our flesh, so that we, in our total blindness to all things spiritual, thinking only in flesh terms, come to conclusions like: this thing I feel, this thing I believe, this thought I just had, it can only have come from me! When in fact, it is the result of a demon in your life, pumping you full of false ideas, injecting into your thoughts false beliefs, false feelings, false notions, enticing you through all of them to sin against God, and heap up destruction for yourself, and all those around you. ----- You are very good at this, David. The enemy has you pinned down in so many areas, and you are convinced that you are correct when in fact you are flatly wrong, because you've bought into the enemy's lies through sin. You are an intelligent person. You have a lot of good qualities. But you are also believing lies because you are relying upon your flesh- only, and are not seeking the truth out in things, but are hearing something that sounds like it makes sense to your fallen flesh, and probably has some corroborative feelings in your core (the result of a false injection of those feelings by an evil spirit), so that you then believe them without pursuing them out. Or when you do pursue them out, you are listening to an invisible "tour guide" through the idea, standing right beside you, seeing what you're seeing, reading what you're reading, injecting the things it wants you to see or think in the idea, by saying things to your mind, your thoughts, your feelings, in real-time, so that you'll be led from assumption to assumption to assumption. Break the influence of these evil spirits, David. Seek the truth, and press in hard and pursue it. You'll find every single one of the enemy's lies will crumble completely under scrutiny. You'll find the extent to which the deception is all around us, and only getting more and more entrenched. But God is greater, and if you set your sights on the truth, you too will find it. You too will be rescued from the falseness. And you too will come to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ. ----- You're being fooled into believing lies by the enemy, David. Is that truly what you want? Or do you want to do the most simple and honest thing there is: seek the truth out to its fullest extent, wherever it leads you? Seek it hard, and purposefully, do not rest until you are flatly assured in all areas that you have proven all things. When you set your sights on the truth, God knows you are doing this, and He will supernaturally remove the veil blinding you to the truth today. He will make it possible for you to know the truth. He and He alone. It is all about God, David. But you can prove it to yourself by simply setting your sights on the truth and running after it with all you have. Do not let up until you have proven it out conclusively, and in so doing ... you WILL find it. Best regards, Rick C. Hodgin |
| Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com>: Aug 04 07:37AM -0700 On Thursday, August 4, 2016 at 8:34:48 AM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > up all manner of alternate theories on everything that there is, every > subject, every topic, and all of it is designed to remove God from the > equation. Rick, Presumably this enemy of god is also a deity? So it sounds like your interpretation of the stories is that Christianity retains elements of polytheism, as in the older traditions. Best regards, Daniel |
| "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Aug 04 08:08AM -0700 On Thursday, August 4, 2016 at 10:37:29 AM UTC-4, Daniel wrote: > > subject, every topic, and all of it is designed to remove God from the > > equation. > Rick, Daniel, you speak with the serpent's tongue. The statements you make are clever and crafty, designed to ask an asserting question which naturally leads then in a particular direction ("Do you still beat your wife?"). All of them. This will be the last time I reply to you directly because you are not in any way in pursuit of the truth, but are trying to position me into an area I don't occupy, as by your leading, to undermine God, His message, by attempting to undermine me and the things I speak about. > Presumably this enemy of god is also a deity? The enemy is Satan. He was created the highest angel, the one with closest access to God. He's called the "god of this age" in scripture (http://biblehub.com/kjv/2_corinthians/4-4.htm), and the Bible records there are many gods (lower-case "g"): http://biblehub.com/kjv/deuteronomy/10-17.htm "For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:" Jesus said also it was written that we are gods (lower-case "g"): http://biblehub.com/kjv/john/10-34.htm "Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?" The scripture He's referring to is: http://biblehub.com/kjv/psalms/82-6.htm "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High." There are gods (created beings, lower-case "g"), and then there is God Almighty. Jesus Christ is God Almighty, and He is the one true God, the root of all. > So it sounds like your > interpretation "My interpretation," a statement like "Do you still beat your wife?", forcing me into the position of altering both parts of the premise, to say I never did beat my wife, so I can't still be beating my wife. Here you assert I have an interpretation that is my own, to which I must refute that assertion because it's founded in falseness. > of the stories And again, I must refute that they are mere stories. They are God conveying messages to us in ways we can understand. He uses parables, not stories, to teach. > is that Christianity retains elements of > polytheism, as in the older traditions. And again... There is one God Almighty with sovereign authority, Daniel. You know this. All people know this. But here it is in black-and-white so you are now without excuse: http://biblehub.com/kjv/revelation/1-8.htm "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty." And a reference to Him being the Most High God: http://biblehub.com/kjv/hebrews/6-13.htm "For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself," http://biblehub.com/kjv/genesis/14-20.htm "And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all." http://biblehub.com/kjv/psalms/91-1.htm "He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty." http://biblehub.com/kjv/exodus/7-12.htm "For they cast down every man his rod, and they became serpents: but Aaron's rod swallowed up their rods." There is one God Almighty, the Lord Jesus Christ. He is the Father, Son, Holy Spirit, just as we are soul, body, spirit. Best regards, Rick C. Hodgin |
| legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com (Richard): Aug 04 04:53PM [Please do not mail me a copy of your followup] By all means, please keep this off-topic thread alive so I know which idiots to keep adding to my KILL file. It will help me weed out the posters with no self-control or respect for charters in the future. -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" free book <http://tinyurl.com/d3d-pipeline> The Computer Graphics Museum <http://computergraphicsmuseum.org> The Terminals Wiki <http://terminals.classiccmp.org> Legalize Adulthood! (my blog) <http://legalizeadulthood.wordpress.com> |
| Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk>: Aug 04 06:38PM +0100 On 04/08/2016 13:34, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: [snip] Rick, you simply cannot back up your interpretation of the stories in the Bible as being true; you have no evidence, none. Science has never proven that God has existed nor has it ever proven that God does not exist. The FACT that evolution happens (evidenced by the fossil record, irregardless of any scientific theory) disproves the existence of your god as your god is predicated on the Bible story that Adam had no parents as being true. If humans evolved (which they did) there was no first human. You may claim that the fossil record is a creation of Satan to deceive us but you have absolutely no evidence to backup that claim; it is simply something you believe on faith which is something that I and many others do not have to take seriously. Why don't you just stop now with this off topic nonsense? You cannot win. /Flibble |
| "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Aug 04 11:11AM -0700 On Thursday, August 4, 2016 at 1:38:39 PM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote: > others do not have to take seriously. > Why don't you just stop now with this off topic nonsense? You cannot win. > /Flibble You have not studied the Bible, Leigh. The proof is there. The true explanations of why things are happening the way they are is there. What you are learning about and seeing under the guise of "evolution" is, in fact, a lie. Here is how it really works, which also explains why you see various changes in appearance in the fossil record over time: From 16:01 up to about 29:02, but you'll get the idea quickly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbODW6XO8zY&t=16m1s Satan is using our fallen-in-sin faulty reasoning against us, so that he can espouse something that's a lie, and yet we will reason within ourselves that it is true. Examine the evidence, Leigh. When you dig deep you'll see the truth of God upheld, and the lies of the devil cast down. Best regards, Rick C. Hodgin |
| Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk>: Aug 04 07:24PM +0100 On 04/08/2016 19:11, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > ourselves that it is true. > Examine the evidence, Leigh. When you dig deep you'll see the truth > of God upheld, and the lies of the devil cast down. There is no evidence whatsoever backing up your viewpoint. If there was evidence there would be no need for faith. So, are you saying you have no faith because you think there is evidence backing up your beliefs? You can't have it both ways mate. /Flibble |
| "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Aug 04 11:40AM -0700 On Thursday, August 4, 2016 at 2:25:07 PM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote: > evidence there would be no need for faith. So, are you saying you have > no faith because you think there is evidence backing up your beliefs? > You can't have it both ways mate. We can't see God. Even with the evidence pointing to Him, of which there is a multitude, we still don't see Him. Not yet. That's where faith comes in. God revealed in the Bible many things: creation, sin, history, guidance, truth, what's coming in the future, etc. We read about it. It's confirmed here in the world through observation, and even more so now that we are beginning to understand genetics. But we still don't see God, just as we don't see love, yet we know love exists. Just as we don't see hate, yet we know hate exists. The invisible internal attributes are proven to us by the way things on the outside then operate. Love lends toward loving things, hate toward hating things. With God, His Creation lends toward the creator. It is ONLY the enemy who espouses other things, and the enemy does that because he's an enemy, and he's trying to under-mind God in all things. Watch the video, Leigh. And watch this one. You'll be amazed at how much truth has been suppressed by the evil forces at work in this world, the ones gunning for your eternal soul: Explains how evolution does not exist, but looks like it, but it's actually from another source, one that is Biblical: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbODW6XO8zY&t=16m1s Real evidence man lived with dinosaurs, culminated from examples over centuries: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsQIF7Yh3hI ----- The proof is there. The enemy suppresses it. The enemy does not teach it in school. The enemy teaches the alternate theory that removes God from the equation, because in God there is truth, there is salvation in His Son, there is eternal life. The enemy does not want you to be forgiven, and be restored, to eternal life. That's why the lies exist. Best regards, Rick C. Hodgin |
| Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk>: Aug 04 07:48PM +0100 On 04/08/2016 19:40, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > We can't see God. Even with the evidence pointing to Him, of which there > is a multitude, we still don't see Him. Not yet. That's where faith > comes in. If there is evidence there is no need for faith. You are belittling the faith of millions of your fellow Christians, good job. [snip] /Flibble |
| Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com>: Aug 04 11:52AM -0700 On Thursday, August 4, 2016 at 2:40:58 PM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > But we still don't see God, just as we don't see love, yet we know love > exists. Just as we don't see hate, yet we know hate exists. I think I see, as love and hate are emotional responses experienced by humans, a notion of god is an emotional response experienced by humans. That doesn't seem so very far off. > Real evidence man lived with dinosaurs ... Uh, oh :-) I think you're making fun of us now. Kindest regards, Daniel |
| "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Aug 04 12:06PM -0700 On Thursday, August 4, 2016 at 2:48:48 PM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote: > > comes in. > If there is evidence there is no need for faith. You are belittling the > faith of millions of your fellow Christians, good job. There is evidence. And there is faith. And the existence of evidence is in line with scripture: http://biblehub.com/kjv/romans/1-20.htm "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:" You, Leigh, and others like you, know that God exists. You know it is His creation. You know this because He created you and stamped you with that knowledge. It is only because of sin that you are able to look the other way, because Adam ate from the tree of the knowledge of good AND EVIL, and now we can also know and follow after evil. ----- It's the best I have to offer you, Leigh: Seek the truth, and you will find it. As to whether or not you do, that's your choice. I pray you do, because I would like to see you in Heaven. Best regards, Rick C. Hodgin |
| Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk>: Aug 04 08:08PM +0100 On 04/08/2016 20:06, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: >> faith of millions of your fellow Christians, good job. > There is evidence. And there is faith. And the existence of evidence is > in line with scripture: Again: if there is evidence there is no need for faith. You are belittling the faith of millions of your fellow Christians, good job. [snip] > You, Leigh, and others like you, know that God exists. You know it is > His creation. You know this because He created you and stamped you with > that knowledge. LOL. I know your god doesn't exist mate. [snip] /Flibble |
| Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com>: Aug 04 08:26PM +0100 > There is no evidence whatsoever backing up your viewpoint. If there > was evidence there would be no need for faith. But the Babelfish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? |
| Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com>: Aug 04 12:42PM -0700 On Thursday, August 4, 2016 at 2:48:48 PM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote: > If there is evidence there is no need for faith. You are belittling the > faith of millions of your fellow Christians, good job. It's certainly possible that Rick's intention is to produce a polemic designed to ridicule or undermine elements of traditional Christian world views. On the one hand I would say yes, and on the other I would say no. I really don't know what to think. But when he starts talking about "real evidence man lived with dinosaurs ..." Wow. That's pretty far out there. Best regards, Daniel |
| Real Troll <real.troll@trolls.com>: Aug 04 04:10PM -0400 On 04/08/2016 17:53, Richard wrote: > By all means, please keep this off-topic thread alive so I know which > idiots to keep adding to my KILL file. It will help me weed out the > posters with no self-control or respect for charters in the future. You will find that you have nothing to read or follow because all there is here is Christianity and how it can help your C++ programs!! How about writing something simple like this so that Rick can learn from it: |
| Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com>: Aug 04 01:15PM -0700 On Thursday, August 4, 2016 at 4:00:11 PM UTC-4, Real Troll wrote: > > posters with no self-control or respect for charters in the future. > You will find that you have nothing to read or follow because all there > is here is Christianity and how it can help your C++ programs!! I was thinking the same :-) It's a very quiet newsgroup. The lack of activity may make future generations question whether C++ existed at the same time as man. Daniel |
| Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk>: Aug 04 09:16PM +0100 On 04/08/2016 21:10, Real Troll wrote: >> answer = num * num; /* Does not check for overflow */ >> return answer; >> } Avoid 'int' as it is non-portable/unsafe. Use the sized integer typedefs from <cstdint> instead, e.g. int_fast32_t: int_fast32_t square(int_fast32_t num) { return num * num; /* Does not check for overflow */ } /Flibble |
| Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com>: Aug 04 01:24PM -0700 On Thursday, August 4, 2016 at 4:16:29 PM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote: > { > return num * num; /* Does not check for overflow */ > } You're still relying on faith that num * num does not overflow. Daniel |
| Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk>: Aug 04 09:26PM +0100 On 04/08/2016 21:24, Daniel wrote: >> return num * num; /* Does not check for overflow */ >> } > You're still relying on faith that num * num does not overflow. Hence the comment. /Flibble |
| jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr>: Aug 04 06:18PM +0200 Le 03/08/2016 à 23:41, Cholo Lennon a écrit : > Regards Still, C++ is after C in all ratings. |
| Cholo Lennon <chololennon@hotmail.com>: Aug 04 04:06PM -0300 On 08/04/2016 01:18 PM, jacobnavia wrote: >> Regards > Still, C++ is after C in all ratings. I've never said the opposite ;-) -- Cholo Lennon Bs.As. ARG |
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