Wednesday, October 3, 2018

Digest for comp.lang.c++@googlegroups.com - 25 updates in 4 topics

"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Oct 03 01:59PM -0400

On 10/3/2018 1:46 PM, Öö Tiib wrote:
> I think he believes that he gets more brownie points when people are
> angry at him. Therefore he tries to troll us.
 
 
Öö Tiib, what I do is this: I note that in every believer's life
there was a time before they were believers. People were doing and
saying the same kinds of anti-God things that each of you are doing.
Before I was saved, I was doing the same thing. It's to be expected
because of the nature of sin.
 
What I do is teach you the reasons why that happens, and the way out.
 
I do not troll you. I try and correct misunderstandings so the one
posting the mistake can hear the truth, that they might know the true
way per the guidance of the Bible, and then that truth has the oppor-
tunity to make that person free.
 
It is me being obedient to God, in doing outreach to people I care
about. It is me in hope and fasting and prayer that each of you
would come to believe in Jesus Christ, ask Him to forgive your sin,
and in so doing gain eternal life.
 
That really is my driving impetus. I seek to serve the Lord by
doing what He's commanded, that each of you may be with Him in
Heaven as well. It is called "the paradise of God" in scripture,
for what other domain would God have?
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Oct 03 02:04PM -0400

On 10/3/2018 1:46 PM, Öö Tiib wrote:
> ...He does never answer any questions, he ignores what was
> posted and deliberately misunderstands the little he reads.
 
It's a very difficult thing for a Christian to approach people in
a relatively static forum like this. I can't hear the tone of your
voice, see your eyes, gauge your body language, observe your mood,
etc.
 
When people post things that are prompting by the enemy at work
within them, shall I cater to that enemy? That enemy's goals for
the questions people are asking are their host's soul's destruction.
They don't care about the truth or the host, they just want a body
to be in so they can move about in this world, rather than being in
their solitary isolated prison awaiting the day of their judgment.
 
So what I do is not cater to that evil spirit, but provide that
which the Lord commanded us to do ... a teaching.
 
I do not answer the direct question(s) designed to trap in their
responses, but rather bypass that trap and teach the truth so the
poster may hear it.
 
If God is at work within that person's heart, they will know. If
not, it will seem like evasion or something along the lines of
what you cite me as doing below.
 
> idiot from YouTube. Why such people never fear that they misinterpret,
> misrepresent and disservice their god? Brownie point from Jesus:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNKMXkU09Iw
 
My posts are not as you indicate. You simply do not understand
them the way they are given, because you are being literally led
by that evil spirit influence, which keeps you pigeonholed in a
solid thinking against God, and you're absolutely sure you're
right in that, and will remain so until God Himself draws you out
of that darkness, and into His marvelous light (John 6:44).
 
It is for those souls who will be saved I respond as I do. I do
not respond for those who will not be saved.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
"Öö Tiib" <ootiib@hot.ee>: Oct 03 11:10AM -0700

On Wednesday, 3 October 2018 21:00:00 UTC+3, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
 
> Öö Tiib, what I do is this: I note that in every believer's life
> there was a time before they were believers. People were doing and
> saying the same kinds of anti-God things that each of you are doing.
 
Where I said anything against any gods? I wrote about you. You are not
god and will never be. By Buddhist religion you perhaps will reborn
as mosquitoes for next century as reward for trying to be so annoying
in this life.
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Oct 03 02:15PM -0400

On 10/3/2018 2:10 PM, Öö Tiib wrote:
> god and will never be. By Buddhist religion you perhaps will reborn
> as mosquitoes for next century as reward for trying to be so annoying
> in this life.
 
Jesus tells His disciples that when we gave the least of these
little ones a drink of water, we were doing the same unto Him.
Likewise, when people attack and say hateful things about one
of His servants, they are doing the same to Him.
 
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+25%3A34-41&version=KJV
 
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come,
==> ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for
you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty,
and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me:
I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw
we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee
drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked,
and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say
==> unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least
of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart
==> from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the
devil and his angels:
 
You do not understand what you don't understand, Öö Tiib, and be-
cause of sin you are unwilling to even hear the rest of it. That
will remain your fate until you turn away from what you think you
believe, and get to the place where you can say honestly in your
heart, "God, I don't know if you're real or not, but if you are
real, then I want to know the truth about it."
 
If you can get to that place being honest with yourself ... God
will do the rest.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Oct 03 02:22PM -0400

On 10/3/2018 2:10 PM, Öö Tiib wrote:
> ...By Buddhist religion you perhaps will reborn
> as mosquitoes for next century as reward for trying to be so annoying
> in this life.
 
Satan is always at work to give people alternate hope in some false
thing. Buddhism teaches you will be reborn in another life based
on how you lived this one. Other religions teach other things.
 
Examine them. Try them out. Test them. Push into them. Seek to
learn the /FULL TRUTH/ about them. You'll see them for what they
are.
 
Napoleon did this (much to my surprise). He wrote this so elo-
quently:
 
-----[ Begin ]-----
 
https://biblehub.com/library/schaff/the_person_of_christ/napoleon_bonaparte.htm
 
About halfway down it shows His reply in English:
 
Napoleon replied: --
 
"I know men; and I tell you that Jesus Christ is not a man. Superficial minds
see a resemblance between Christ and the founders of empires, and the gods of
other religions. That resemblance does not exist. There is between
Christianity and whatever other religions the distance of infinity.
 
"We can say to the authors of every other religion, You are neither gods, nor
the agents of the Deity. You are but missionaries of falsehood, moulded from
the same clay with the rest of mortals. You are made with all the passions
and vices inseparable from them. Your temples and your priests proclaim your
origin.' Such will be the judgment, the cry of conscience, of whoever
examines the gods and the temples of paganism...
 
-----[ End ]-----
 
Jesus is not like others. If you press in and taste and see and
put Him to the test, He will reveal to you who He is in a way
you can receive.
 
Not all books are the same. Not all religions are the same. And
what I'm teaching you about Jesus is He is God Almighty, not just
a lower-case "g" god, for there are many of those, and they are
mighty. But they are not God Almighty, and they have /NO/ saving
power for your state of sin. That is Jesus' sole domain.
 
His name literally means "God who saves."
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
"Öö Tiib" <ootiib@hot.ee>: Oct 03 11:25AM -0700

On Wednesday, 3 October 2018 21:04:39 UTC+3, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> They don't care about the truth or the host, they just want a body
> to be in so they can move about in this world, rather than being in
> their solitary isolated prison awaiting the day of their judgment.
 
What enemy work? All the mistakes that I make are fully mine, I'm
not possessed by no ghost nor do I believe stories about your devils
and demons. If you really think that all scientific-technological
progress is work of your demons then why you do not live like Amish,
work on field and ride around in buggy? Why you sit here in the
internet and annoy people? We here try to discuss and help each other
with complications of one of programming languages. It was man-made
and all mistakes in it were also man-made.
"Öö Tiib" <ootiib@hot.ee>: Oct 03 11:34AM -0700

On Wednesday, 3 October 2018 21:15:50 UTC+3, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > as mosquitoes for next century as reward for trying to be so annoying
> > in this life.
 
> Jesus tells His disciples ...
 
You are not Jesus. You are a liar. Jesus have said nowhere that I did
say anything against him. You lied that I said something against him.
So do not preach about honesty.
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Oct 03 02:51PM -0400

On 10/3/2018 2:25 PM, Öö Tiib wrote:
>> to be in so they can move about in this world, rather than being in
>> their solitary isolated prison awaiting the day of their judgment.
 
> What enemy work?
 
I'll try to explain it from Sci-Fi movie point of view.
 
Consider a world in some galaxy where people are living on it. An
alien race develops a technology whereby they can leave their own
solar system and travel the stars. They come upon this planet and
use their technology to leave their physical bodily form and go out
in their consciousness, to then go into the people on that planet
and either take over or influence those people.
 
We saw something like this on an episode of Star Trek: Enterprise,
in the episode called "Crossing Over" (I think that's its name).
In any event, Trip was the first one taken over in that show, and
this non-corporeal being was able to enter his body and then see
and hear and touch and taste and speak through Trip's body. Trip
left at the same time, so it was like an exchange.
 
There are enemy's of God who have these kinds of abilities. They
are the fallen angels (1/3rd of the angels followed after Satan
when he fell, and they are all locked in chains awaiting the day
of judgment, which is why we don't see those demons flying around
the Earth today). However, their spirit can leave their body be-
cause their bodies are already eternal. They won't die if the
spirit leaves, unlike our bodies.
 
So, they leave their bodies and seek out our physical bodies
to inhabit.
 
This is done to all people world-wide continuously, which is why
there is so much evil in the world. These evil spirits are teach-
ing people alternate ways of doing things (alternate from God's
own teachings), all of which lead to some form of steal, kill,
destroy the things of God, the riches of this world God gave us.
 
People are unaware of this influence because they cannot discern
the spirit component of their attacks, but they only feel the
effects of those attacks.
 
You can listen to pop stars and major influences in TV, movies,
music, and media. They will occasionally give interviews about
this thing that enters into their body and guides them.
 
> All the mistakes that I make are fully mine,
 
Correct. No evil spirit can do anything to us, unless we allow
them to. If we stay holy and pure and follow after God always,
we are free from their influence, which is what Jesus did when
He was on this Earth in bodily form. He never sinned, so when
He went to the cross He could take on all sin and die with it
in our place. This was actually /WHY/ He came here to the Earth
as one of us, and not as His full glory God self.
 
> I'm
> not possessed by no ghost
 
Not possessed. Influenced. Those evil spirits are there from
the sin you've committed in your life. You've let them in, and
they inhabit your thoughts, they give you amped up feelings,
alternate feelings, amped up emotions, alternate emotions, and
they inject thoughts and ideas into your own mind.
 
Not everything /YOU/ do comes from /YOU/. Some of the things
/YOUR BODY/ does come from their influence. In fact, if you
ever become a Christian and that evil spirit influence is cast
out, you'll be amazed at how much you change because it is
then just you again, and not that evil influence that so subtly
crept in there ... remember it was a serpent who entered in to
the garden. How subtle are snakes? They sneak in silently,
and you don't know they're there ... until they attack.
 
> nor do I believe stories about your devils
> and demons.
 
They're not stories. The enemy wants you to believe they are
stories, because then they're easy to dismiss, and they can
continue on in their plans with you and others unaware of
their existence. But, they are most assuredly real. They are
so invasive in people's lives, by the way, that if you could
see them it would look like a cloud of pollution hovering over
every place where people are gathered, and like Pig Pen from
Charlie Brown in how they follow around each person.
 
> If you really think that all scientific-technological
> progress is work of your demons then why you do not live like Amish,
 
I do no think that at all. I think the evil spirits have
used their spiritual influence in people of power and high
position to cause their goals to be achieved, even with
their own hosts being unaware of the true plan and intention,
such as the LHC ... I am convinced that LHC is some kind of
gateway which has weakend something in the Earth's crust,
allowing evil spirits to come out in numbers not possible
before, because only very strong ones could come out of
their prison before, but now these incredibly powerful mag-
nets have opened up a hole or a portal or something which
allows those spirits to come out, which is why the world
is so rapidly getting worse in the past several years.
 
Also, the movie Ghostbusters had a theme in it where you
crossed the streams to seal up the ghosts. I believe this
was a type of code that was done in reverse, so that you
do not cross the streams to keep them in, but cross the
streams to let them out, those streams being what we have
seen in the LHC and other super-collider's paths which
cross particles for collision.
 
The movie was called "Ghostbusters" ... and I believe there
are other movies which convey similar things. It's like
a way to broadcast your intentions, yet without revealing
it in real ways. In fact, I'd even argue that the evil
spirits at work in this world /HAVE/ to do this, which is
why they do it in movie form, so it's broadcast if you
know what to look for, but when you don't it just seems
like a movie.
 
I could be wrong about all of that, but there is much evi-
dence to support it, as you can see from the way the world
has changed in the past 100 years, and in what stages it
has changed as things have been accumulating over time.
 
> work on field and ride around in buggy? Why you sit here in the
> internet and annoy people? We here try to discuss and help each other
> with complications of one of programming languages.
 
I talk about programming too. But all of the concerns
over programming will take a backseat when you leave this
world with your own sin still charged to you.
 
I want to discuss programming. I like designing software
and hardware. I want to do those things. But, I do them
for Christ first, and then for other purposes second.
 
And I want each of you to have eternal life. I want you
to be forgiven for your sin so you can also talk about
programming, but to do it for Christ as well.
 
I want His Kingdom on Earth as it is in Heaven, and to
be that way by my choices, the things I do, the ways I
make purposeful choices to go, etc.
 
> It was man-made
> and all mistakes in it were also man-made.
 
The Bible foretold in the book of Daniel that in the end-
times "knowledge would increase and people would go to
and fro." We are seeing that transformation in our world
in these last 150 years. The simple advances, the tele-
graph, the steam engine, internal combustion engines,
the telephone, the Internet.... it's all been building up
to this system we have today.
 
It's been planned from the beginning of creation, and it
was foretold in scripture by God, not in details, but in
concepts.
 
The end-times are here. We don't know how much time we
have left, but until that final day comes, I will cont-
inue to teach people about Jesus, because up until the
day He calls us out of this world ... people can still
be saved.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Oct 03 02:55PM -0400

On 10/3/2018 2:34 PM, Öö Tiib wrote:
 
> You are not Jesus. You are a liar. Jesus have said nowhere that I did
> say anything against him. You lied that I said something against him.
> So do not preach about honesty.
 
I just quoted the part where He did say that. You edited it out:
 
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+25%3A34-41&version=KJV
 
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say
==> unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least
of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
 
"Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my
brethren, ye have done it unto me."
 
I am one of the least of these brethren, the disciples of Christ.
These are His words, not mine. They refer to the things done in
service to Him, and we learn from other scripture that they also
include the things done against Him.
 
Here's another translation to look at:
 
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+25%3A34-41&version=NIV
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
"Öö Tiib" <ootiib@hot.ee>: Oct 03 12:12PM -0700

On Wednesday, 3 October 2018 21:55:48 UTC+3, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
 
> 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say
> ==> unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least
> of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
 
I have done something against you or against any other Christian? Where
and when? That is defamation. I am programmer, not some sort of criminal.
I have just honestly said what I think about your behavior. And you are
clearly liar who thinks he is holy and therefore your lies are also holy.
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Oct 03 03:21PM -0400

On 10/3/2018 3:12 PM, Öö Tiib wrote:
> I have done something against you or against any other Christian? Where
> and when? That is defamation.
 
Multiple times. You have criticized me and called me names
falsely. Most everyone here has done so.
 
> I am programmer, not some sort of criminal.
 
The Bible teaches us that our sin is over all, and that we have
sinned in some areas, which makes us being guilty of all of the
whole Law.
 
A person who's done everything right in their entire life, even
helping build orphanages, and feeding the homeless, and donating
his/her time to causes and science and everything else, yet if
that person were to commit one murder, they would not be innocent
by their other good deeds. They would be guilty by their one sin.
 
Have you ever told a lie?
Have you ever had lustful thoughts after someone who was not
your spouse?
Have you ever taken the Lord's name in vain (used His name as a
cuss / swear word)?
 
And there are over 600 separate laws that God gave Moses, and
are still in effect for man. The book of Leviticus was to de-
scribe how sinful man could approach Holy God. It is a ritual
to go through, and even then it's not a one-time deal, it must
be done anew each time to appear before God.
 
What Jesus did was come and fulfill that law, to give us a New
Covenant in His blood, so that we are set free from that Law,
but He becomes a new type of Law within us by His own Holy
Spirit guidance. We simply move differently in this world aft-
er being saved. Our polarity is reversed.
 
> I have just honestly said what I think about your behavior. And you are
> clearly liar who thinks he is holy and therefore your lies are also holy.
 
You have denied God. You have compared the Christian God to
other lower-case "g" gods. That makes you a blasphemer of God,
it places you in rebellion against Him, and it makes you one
with a false accusation against me, stemming from that sin-
induced hate in your heart for God spilling out into all of the
things of God.
 
If you want to see an objective view / assessment of where you
have erred, start reading the New Testament. Compare your own
actions in daily life, on these forums, in your thoughts, to
the teachings of Christ.
 
/DO NOT/ compare them to my teachings, or what you think I've
written. Compare them directly to that Bible you can buy in
your local store. And make sure you get a good translation,
and not a modern one because there are ancient texts the vari-
ous translations came from. The King James Bible came from
what's called "The Majority Text" which was where over 99.4%
of the 5,000 manuscripts they had in their possession at the
time it was written (1603-1611) agreed with one another. The
number of manuscripts in agreement today have been discovered
to be around 30,000 in the 2000s.
 
Many of the new modern Bibles take cues from the non-majority
texts, and these teach markedly different things, indicating
they were purposeful attempts a perverting the true word of
God.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal): Oct 03 07:28PM

>> posted and deliberately misunderstands the little he reads.
 
>It's a very difficult thing for a Christian to approach people in
>a relatively static forum like this.
 
THEN DON'T DO IT!
 
The definition of insanity is repeating the same action expecting
different results.
Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com>: Oct 04 08:48AM +1300

On 04/10/18 07:04, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> posted and deliberately misunderstands the little he reads.
 
> It's a very difficult thing for a Christian to approach people in
> a relatively static forum like this.
 
Yet more nonsense. Open minded Christians embrace and discuss science,
which is one reason very few are young Earth creationists. If you had
the courage of your convictions, you would do the same rather than
simply parroting dogma.
 
--
Ian.
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Oct 03 03:50PM -0400

On 10/3/2018 3:48 PM, Ian Collins wrote:
 
> Yet more nonsense.  Open minded Christians embrace and discuss science, which
> is one reason very few are young Earth creationists.  If you had the courage
> of your convictions, you would do the same rather than simply parroting dogma.
 
You completely misunderstand what I post, Ian.
 
I am more than content to teach you the Christian perspective on
any and all science discoveries. These will nearly all necessarily
contradict mainstream teaching found in worldly sources (those that
do not credit things back to Jesus Christ as the creator).
 
What would you like to be taught about today?
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Oct 03 01:07PM -0700

On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 3:29:05 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
 
> THEN DON'T DO IT!
 
> The definition of insanity is repeating the same action expecting
> different results.
 
Scott, think about your statement. When is the time person
X, Y, or Z, will come to faith when witnessed to? Does wit-
nessing every lead to conversion? Sure it does. I was wit-
nessed to by someone at my place of employment, and his wil-
lingness to help me in answering my many questions led to me
coming to faith in late July, 2004.
 
Prior to that, I would've laughed you to scorn if you told
me I was going to be a born again Christian. I would've
mocked you for even believing that such a thing as "born
again" exists. I would've told you that "Christianity is
fine for those who want/need that crutch, but that you do
not need any kind of god to be a good, moral person."
 
It wasn't until the change happened to me, and I was born
again, and I did see through new spiritual eyes, that I
then realized how wrong I'd been. The blindness I had from
sin prevented me from seeing it.
 
The spirit reveals what the flesh cannot know, Scott. It
is for that future hope that I persist, not for those who
will never come to believe.
 
--
Rick c. Hodgin
Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com>: Oct 04 09:13AM +1300

On 04/10/18 08:50, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
 
> You completely misunderstand what I post, Ian.
 
> I am more than content to teach you the Christian perspective on
> any and all science discoveries.
 
You are not "teach the Christian perspective" conscience, you repeat the
young Earth creationist perspective, such as the nonsense about dinosaur
soft tissue and fossils.
 
--
Ian.
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Oct 03 04:25PM -0400

On 10/3/2018 4:13 PM, Ian Collins wrote:
 
> You are not "teach the Christian perspective" conscience, you repeat the
> young Earth creationist perspective, such as the nonsense about dinosaur soft
> tissue and fossils.
 
I teach you things from the Biblical perspective, Ian.
 
The Earth was created 6,000 years ago. The DNA which exists in
the fossil record would've come from within that time. It would
still be very rare to find extinct species in the fossil layers
with in tact DNA, because they would've died around the time of
the flood. Any in-tact DNA would likely come from those animals
which existed after the flood and died many years later. The
flood was about 4,400 years ago.
 
The reason Creation Scientists teach the DNA could not have come
from dinosaurs living millions of years ago is because of the ex-
tremely fragile nature of DNA. It cannot last more than a few
thousand years under ideal conditions, and typically not more
than a few hundred years even in excellent conditions. It will
break into fragments.
 
The soft tissue discoveries had not only DNA, but also blood
cells, collagen, and it had in-tact structure and form.
 
We've also seen direct evidence that fossilization can take
place in a very short period of time.
 
-----
You should watch that video I posted on dinosaurs. It shows
lots of proof throughout history that dinosaurs existed with
man, and that you cannot trust the fossil evidence:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsQIF7Yh3hI
 
You'll find so many records showing how human being scared
into stone, plates of metal, sides of buildings, ornate cloth-
ing buried with leaders who fell in the 0 a.d to 1,000 a.d.
timeframe, showing images of dinosaurs. They even have what
they looked like with their skin patterns.
 
You've been lied to, Ian. I'm trying to teach you the truth.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Oct 03 04:30PM -0400

On 10/3/2018 4:25 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> man, and that you cannot trust the fossil evidence:
 
>     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsQIF7Yh3hI
 
> You'll find so many records showing how human being scared
 
Wow. That should've been "...how human beings carved..."
 
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
bitrex <user@example.net>: Oct 03 04:19PM -0400

On 10/03/2018 12:50 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> which is easy, and is not hard to do in and of itself.
 
> It's the following Him that is easy.  It's the backlash you
> get from the people in the world that is heavy.
 
Did they shoot your mother to death or burn your house down or something?
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Oct 03 04:26PM -0400

On 10/3/2018 4:19 PM, bitrex wrote:
>> It's the following Him that is easy.  It's the backlash you
>> get from the people in the world that is heavy.
 
> Did they shoot your mother to death or burn your house down or something?
 
It's spiritual warfare, bitrex, not carnal.
 
Watch this video:
 
The Invisible War
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDVWvOQvlK8
 
There are no fence sitters. No people on the sidelines. Every-
one is a player.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
bitrex <user@example.net>: Oct 03 04:30PM -0400

On 10/03/2018 12:50 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> more.
 
>> If Christ said the yoke is easy and the burden, light,
 
> It's not quite that simple.
 
You think too much, man. Very common problem with intelligent people.
Hammer, nail. I try to avoid it hammer-nail when I can.
Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu>: Oct 03 12:48PM -0700


> The main reason I use uint8_t/int8_t is stylistic to indicate that
> what it holds in treated as a small number and not something
> 'character' related.
 
I think it's a good idea to use a different name for a type that
is meant to hold a small integer (or actually two names, one for
signed, one for unsigned) as opposed to the special properties of
signed char and unsigned char. In most cases though [u]int8_t
are bad choices for that purpose, due to ambiguity and cultural
baggage. (continues below)
 
> me, char is only used to actually hold text, and unsigned char
> for text that all values need to be positive (for text
> processing function calls) or accessing 'raw' memory.
 
To get one case out of the way - no sensible person uses 'char'
for anything other than character or text processing. In
particular using 'char' for holding an integer value is nutty
(not counting cases where the values come from character
constants or things like that).
 
As a matter of style, I think it's good practice to use names
other than 'signed char' or 'unsigned char' when the objects in
question are meant only to hold small integer values, to avoid
confusion with other uses of character types, and unsigned char in
particular. The big problem with the [u]int8_t types is the names
say both too much and too little. For example, if I see a
declaration 'int8_t x;', is it important that the type has a two's
complement representation, or not? Similarly, for 'uint8_t u;',
is it important that its partner type use two's complement? In
most cases I suspect it isn't. Another aspect is "characterness":
some people treat [u]int8_t as being synonyms for character types,
whereas others (which IIUC includes you) treat [u]int8_t as
completely separate from the "character" aspects of the [un]signed
char types. If all I want is a small and unsigned type, I don't
want to use uint8_t, because it has other connotational baggage
that I really don't want to convey. Similarly for a small and
signed type. And besides the [u]int8_t names being read as
something other than what is meant, how they actually are read is
ambiguous - different readers will infer different connotations.
To me that's the bottom line: a name should say what it means,
and not more, and not less. The types [u]int8_t hardly ever do
that.
Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu>: Oct 03 01:15PM -0700

>> add, certainly in C, and I am pretty sure for C++.)
 
> But if they are separate types they need to overload the stream
> operators "<<" and ">>" in the same way the char types do, right?
 
If you mean, does the Standard require they be overloaded, I'm
pretty sure it doesn't.
 
If you mean, would it make sense to provide additional overloads
for these distinct types, I agree that it would.
 
If you mean, should the semantics of the additional overloads
match the semantics for character types, I'm sure there are
(at least) two schools of thought on that question. AFAICT
the Standard doesn't impose a requirement either way.
 
> Otherwise a respective program would behave differently,
> depending on these types being separate or typedefs.
 
It could behave differently. It wouldn't necessarily behave
differently. The choice is up to each implementation.
 
> Which would make the advantage of them being separate types
> moot.
 
If the types are separate then the implementation has an
additional degree of freedom, which it could in turn pass along
in the form of a compiler option. To me that enhances the
advantage, not eliminates it.
Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu>: Oct 03 01:24PM -0700

> }
 
> If uint8_t were not typedefed to unsigned char but a separate type then
> it would not even compile?
 
I'm not an expert on C++ overloading, but I believe it could
compile if the implementation wanted it to (and presumably it
would if the types were defined as distinct). This result
occurs because the C++ standard allows additional overloads
for non-virtual member functions in library classes:
 
 
20.5.5.5 Member functions [member.functions]
 
1 [...]
 
2 For a non-virtual member function described in the C++
standard library, an implementation may declare a different
set of member function signatures, provided that any call to
the member function that would select an overload from the
set of declarations described in this International Standard
behaves as if that overload were selected. [ Note: For
instance, an implementation may add parameters with default
values, or replace a member function with default arguments
with two or more member functions with equivalent behavior,
or add additional signatures for a member function name.
--end note ]
Horizon68 <horizon@horizon.com>: Oct 03 12:16PM -0700

Hello..
 
 
Transactional Memory Everywhere: I/O Operations
 
One can execute I/O operations within a lock-based critical section,
and, at least in principle, from within an RCU read-side critical
section. What happens when you attempt to execute an I/O operation from
within a transaction?
 
The underlying problem is that transactions may be rolled back, for
example, due to conflicts. Roughly speaking, this requires that all
operations within any given transaction be idempotent, so that executing
the operation twice has the same effect as executing it once.
Unfortunately, I/O is in general the prototypical non-idempotent
operation, making it difficult to include general I/O operations in
transactions.
 
Read more here:
 
https://mirrors.edge.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/paulmck/Answers/TransactionalMemoryEverywhere/IO.html
 
 
Thank you,
Amine Moulay Ramdane.
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