Saturday, December 29, 2018

Digest for comp.lang.c++@googlegroups.com - 21 updates in 3 topics

"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Dec 29 12:34PM -0500

On 12/29/2018 11:56 AM, Bart wrote:
>>          out   { cleanup_for_test1 }
>>          enter { related_code_if_block_entered1 }
 
> Wouldn't these be better as in, enter, out?
 
They're labeled. They go in the correct flow order no matter what order
they appear in source code.
 
Another option that should be added for if cargo blocks is the ability
to continue testing at the next else-if/else condition. I think it
should be "prevtest;" and "nexttest;" and "gotest label;" where label
by the name given to a block. Also, the "out;" keyword which operates
like break; for a loop, except it works within the if blocks:
 
if (x)
{
nexttest; // Continues with the "else if (y)" test
gotest zlabel; // Go to the "else if (z)" test
 
} else if (y) {
// Code here
prevtest; // Retest "else if (y)" block
gotest last; // Go to the else block
 
} else if (z) zlabel {
if (whatever)
out; // Leave the if-block
 
} else last {
// Code here
}
 
Note the above are all unconditional branches and will perform
their action when encountered, so in this example "gotest zlabel"
and "gotest last" would never be executed. They are just examples
showing how branching could work from one place to another.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
rbowman <bowman@montana.com>: Dec 29 01:57PM -0700

On 12/29/2018 08:42 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> I've had the idea for an "if cargo" block.
 
As my father used to say 'If it ain't broke, don't f*ck with it.'
 
You do realize your ideas are confusing semantic sugar for operations
that can be done much more transparently?
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Dec 29 04:03PM -0500

On 12/29/2018 3:57 PM, rbowman wrote:
 
> As my father used to say 'If it ain't broke, don't .. with it.'
 
> You do realize your ideas are confusing semantic sugar for operations that
> can be done much more transparently?
 
Do you realize you're harming yourself and many people with the words
you use in your writing?
 
I disagree with this type of feature being semantic sugar. I think
there is value in encapsulation and in relating code. It extends to
a larger vision I have for how code should be written, but this is a
part and parcel of that larger vision.
 
I offer it for scrutiny by others in C/C++ groups so that those who
write compilers could consider the idea, and then reject it, alter it
and use it, or accept as is.
 
It's everyone's choice. I offer these ideas to spark thought, engage
conversation and discussion, etc.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk>: Dec 29 09:32PM

On 29/12/2018 21:03, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> It's everyone's choice.  I offer these ideas to spark thought, engage
> conversation and discussion, etc.
 
Bullshit; you offer these "ideas" for no other reason than to satisfy a
self indulgent attention seeking need.
 
/Flibble
 
--
"You won't burn in hell. But be nice anyway." – Ricky Gervais
 
"I see Atheists are fighting and killing each other again, over who
doesn't believe in any God the most. Oh, no..wait.. that never happens." –
Ricky Gervais
 
"Suppose it's all true, and you walk up to the pearly gates, and are
confronted by God," Bryne asked on his show The Meaning of Life. "What
will Stephen Fry say to him, her, or it?"
"I'd say, bone cancer in children? What's that about?" Fry replied.
"How dare you? How dare you create a world to which there is such misery
that is not our fault. It's not right, it's utterly, utterly evil."
"Why should I respect a capricious, mean-minded, stupid God who creates a
world that is so full of injustice and pain. That's what I would say."
"Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid>: Dec 29 01:36PM -0800

On 12/29/2018 12:57 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On 12/29/2018 08:42 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> I've had the idea for an "if cargo" block.
 
> As my father used to say 'If it ain't broke, don't f*ck with it.'
 
:^D
 
rbowman <bowman@montana.com>: Dec 29 04:06PM -0700

On 12/29/2018 02:03 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> that can be done much more transparently?
 
> Do you realize you're harming yourself and many people with the words
> you use in your writing?
 
Ask me if I give a ... Well, you get the idea. I'm old, grumpy, and I
don't suffer fools gladly.
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Dec 29 06:15PM -0500

On 12/29/2018 6:06 PM, rbowman wrote:
>> you use in your writing?
 
> Ask me if I give a ...  Well, you get the idea. I'm old, grumpy, and I don't
> suffer fools gladly.
 
People don't have to remain that way (grumpy). There is a way to be
as new again ... one filled with love, hope, peace, and overflowing
joy. It's the one I teach you about, the one you call me a fool for.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Dec 29 12:37PM -0500

On 12/29/2018 12:19 PM, fir wrote:
 
> youre on your way to hell slave of the devil, you know that ?
> you may ignore the truth imbecile slave of devil but not much long the devil will
> get his plaything ..... scary isnt it devil plaything.. did you heard about lake of fire ?
 
No one need go to Hell, fir. People send themselves there because they
will not seek the truth.
 
Jesus is truth. Those who will not seek the truth will not seek Jesus.
Those who seek the truth, whether they know it or not (as I did not know
it in my seeking of the truth) seek Jesus. It is written:
 
"You will seek me, and find me, when you seek me with all
your heart."
 
It's your choice. I've taught you the truth. I am free of your blood
too, fir.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com>: Dec 29 09:42AM -0800

W dniu sobota, 29 grudnia 2018 18:36:32 UTC+1 użytkownik Rick C. Hodgin napisał:
> your heart."
 
> It's your choice. I've taught you the truth. I am free of your blood
> too, fir.
 
you dont seek the truth imbecile plaything of a devil..you tell lies
which makes devil happy poor imbecile..
this is to late for you as you sined to much but maybe you should start being avare the hell waiting for you devil plaything?
your numerous sins will be paid...
start being aware devil slave
fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com>: Dec 29 09:47AM -0800

W dniu sobota, 29 grudnia 2018 18:42:29 UTC+1 użytkownik fir napisał:
> this is to late for you as you sined to much but maybe you should start being avare the hell waiting for you devil plaything?
> your numerous sins will be paid...
> start being aware devil slave
 
besides note devil imbecile youre offending god more and more, god sees that, and i see that...yhe hell is growing
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Dec 29 12:53PM -0500

On 12/29/2018 12:42 PM, fir wrote:
>> It's your choice. I've taught you the truth. I am free of your blood
>> too, fir.
 
> you dont seek the truth imbecile plaything of a devil..you tell lies
 
Which lie? Let's put your claim to the test. State what you think
I have lied about specifically.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk>: Dec 29 06:03PM

On 29/12/2018 17:53, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
 
>> you dont seek the truth imbecile plaything of a devil..you tell lies
 
> Which lie?  Let's put your claim to the test.  State what you think
> I have lied about specifically.
 
Virtually everything you write is a lie; the fact that you think it is
true doesn't change the fact that it is a lie.
 
/Flibble
 
--
"You won't burn in hell. But be nice anyway." – Ricky Gervais
 
"I see Atheists are fighting and killing each other again, over who
doesn't believe in any God the most. Oh, no..wait.. that never happens." –
Ricky Gervais
 
"Suppose it's all true, and you walk up to the pearly gates, and are
confronted by God," Bryne asked on his show The Meaning of Life. "What
will Stephen Fry say to him, her, or it?"
"I'd say, bone cancer in children? What's that about?" Fry replied.
"How dare you? How dare you create a world to which there is such misery
that is not our fault. It's not right, it's utterly, utterly evil."
"Why should I respect a capricious, mean-minded, stupid God who creates a
world that is so full of injustice and pain. That's what I would say."
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Dec 29 01:55PM -0500

On 12/29/2018 1:03 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
>> I have lied about specifically.
 
> Virtually everything you write is a lie; the fact that you think it is true
> doesn't change the fact that it is a lie.
 
I write things that back into sources. I can quote those sources and
you can research them and see if the things I write are in context.
You'll find they are. In addition, if you have issue with the source
material, that's between you and it, not you and me.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com>: Dec 29 11:48AM -0800

W dniu sobota, 29 grudnia 2018 19:54:09 UTC+1 użytkownik Rick C. Hodgin napisał:
> you can research them and see if the things I write are in context.
> You'll find they are. In addition, if you have issue with the source
> material, that's between you and it, not you and me.
 
you lie if you dont present yourself as an imbecile posessed by devil
 
quotation on imbecilles possessed on devil and skiping you are is manipulation
thet you do - i guess hovever evil manipulated you, so you dont een know yhe truth : youre imbecile possessed by devil
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Dec 29 02:52PM -0500

On 12/29/2018 2:48 PM, fir wrote:
 
> you lie if you dont present yourself as an imbecile posessed by devil
 
> quotation on imbecilles possessed on devil and skiping you are is manipulation
> thet you do - i guess hovever evil manipulated you, so you dont een know yhe truth : youre imbecile possessed by devil
 
Same question. What specifically do have I written which is a lie?
If you cannot indicate what it was, and if it doesn't hold up to
scrutiny, then you must conclude that you are the one in error, fir.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com>: Dec 29 11:58AM -0800

W dniu sobota, 29 grudnia 2018 20:51:39 UTC+1 użytkownik Rick C. Hodgin napisał:
 
> Same question. What specifically do have I written which is a lie?
> If you cannot indicate what it was, and if it doesn't hold up to
> scrutiny, then you must conclude that you are the one in error, fir.
 
your biggest lie is that youre not imbecile posessed by devil, when everythink acknowledges that (besides your smaller lies just go into hundreds)
the scheme of your lies beside is classic you tell extreme bulshit telling it is a truth (as imbeciles do) aldo you dont take reason and logic (as imbeciles nad devil slaves do) finaly youre to stupid to understood that, though 95% of people understood that, so it is not so hard
 
 
prove that youre not bulshittin imbecile possessed by devil first - then you will get the truth por devil posessed moron
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Dec 29 03:50PM -0500

On 12/29/2018 2:58 PM, fir wrote:
> prove that youre not .. imbecile possessed by devil first - then you will get the
> truth por devil posessed moron
 
Your statement is along the lines of this context: "Watermelons are
blue on the inside until you cut them, then they turn red. Prove me
wrong."
 
You begin with an assertion. You make a claim and then state I must
prove you are wrong. It doesn't work like that. You must provide
evidence that you are right right.
 
But as for my proof, I point you to the Bible. If you seek to know
the truth and read the Bible, you will find it.
 
God affirms His own existence for all who will seek the truth. For
those who will not, there is this purposeful division for this point,
so that men and women who will not seek the truth are separated very
clearly from those who will. It is a literal 100% division, and all
people world-wide are so branded. There are no bystanders, no non-
participants. If you are alive, you are all in.
 
You are all in, fir. God calls out to you in multiple ways, and you
will not hear Him. Why? Why do you deny God? Because your eyes
cannot see Him? Do you not see Him when you look at a newborn, or
into the Heavens are realize how big the universe is (if the Earth
were the size of a grain of sand, the universe would extend out 29x
the distance from the sun to Neptune).
 
I ask you to find any fault in my statements. I will gladly admit
I am wrong and correct them in future teaching if you do. I do not
see to push "Rick's ideas," but I do seek to teach those things God
first taught us in the Bible.
 
Have you ever read the Bible? Do you even know what (who) it is you
are rejecting? Or is your opinion based only on non-evidence, your
own personal beliefs, things you've been taught by others? Are you
unwilling to investigate what it says? Which one us is the liar?
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com>: Dec 29 12:58PM -0800

W dniu sobota, 29 grudnia 2018 21:49:18 UTC+1 użytkownik Rick C. Hodgin napisał:
> are rejecting? Or is your opinion based only on non-evidence, your
> own personal beliefs, things you've been taught by others? Are you
> unwilling to investigate what it says? Which one us is the liar?
 
we are talking about you being imbecileplaything of devil stupid imbecile
 
you ignoring this most important fact ad automatically produce your imbecilic bulshit - this is a way to hell devil slave idiot ...
 
im sure devil sharpens its nails to met his stupid slave who brings harm on usenet amashing people brain withl lies and medical stupidity
fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com>: Dec 29 01:05PM -0800

sadl;y obviopusly any discustion with this imbecile is very boring..typical for such kind of devil posessed imbeciles
 
some people say that imbecilles got easier to get happy (it may seem so, logic dont limits them) but overally situation of imbecile is rather sad no matter how brianles this devil plaything idiot is
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Dec 29 04:12PM -0500

On 12/29/2018 3:58 PM, fir wrote:
> we are talking about you being imbecileplaything of devil stupid imbecile
 
Those who are of the devil will lead people AWAY from Christ, toward sin,
toward an inflated sense of "self."
 
Jesus teaches us to be giving to others, to diminish self, to teach all
to be submissive to Him because of who He is, and who we are in this
world.
 
We are not self-made men. We need each other. We need to be comrades
in arms. We need to have our love out front for one another, and that
love stems form a true source, which is the love of Christ given over
to mankind despite his sin.
 
Do you have any sin, fir? Have you ever told a lie? Stolen something?
Used God's name in vain (as a cuss word)?
 
Of course you have. We all have at some point. That makes us guilty
before God.
 
What Jesus offers is a way to take away that guilt. Jesus steps in to
take our guilt away and pay the price of that guilt for us, setting us
free.
 
If would be like if you have 500 parking tickets, and someone came up
and said, "I've just paid your fines for all your parking tickets.
You are free and clear!" That person gave you a gift you could appreci-
ate ... assuming you knew you had 500 parking tickets. But if you didn't
know, what difference would it make to you? "Thanks!" and then you'd
walk away like, "Whatever!" But if you did know you had 500 parking
tickets, it would be a huge release, especially when each one carries
a $200 fine. How much more so being rescued from an eternal death in
unending Hellfire? But, how can you place value on that if you do not
know about it in the first place?
 
Here's the teaching:
 
You are a sinner. The cost of your sin is eternal death in Hell. You
do not know that you are this sinner, and that you are headed to Hell
because our culture is run by evil spirits at work in men and women to
KEEP US from that knowledge. We are told we are fine as we are being
part of our society, partaking in all its vices. We are not to look
to God because He is so restrictive and His followers are bigots and
haters, right?
 
Wrong.
 
The followers of Christ often make mistakes in how they teach others
about Christ, including in how they live their own lives. I am guilty
of this.
 
We all are. It's very hard to live in this sinful world according to
God's purposes and plans, and to do so consistently for years without
error.
 
But God's people teach about Christ. We teach not about ourselves, but
about the ONE who CAN save us, who DOES NOT make mistakes. We point you
to Him, just as we ourselves seek Him.
 
If a person comes to realize they had sin, they would realize the gift
God is giving us. That's what happens to those who will seek the truth.
God pours out the gift of conviction, of repentance, and it drives us
to our knees, to tears, to the cross, where we see that Jesus is offer-
ing to take away our sin and set us free.
 
When we get to that place, humbled, broken, realizing we are a sinner,
then we are on the path to being saved, and when we are saved, it will
mean so much more to us than those 500 parking tickets being paid for
would, because our sin weight and cost is so much more.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu>: Dec 29 04:04PM -0500

On 12/27/18 21:34, Richard Damon wrote:
...
> It used to be that an implementation was allowed to define -1 % 10 to be
> 9, but they standard changed the rule for division so that that wasn't
> allowed anymore. (It required -1/10 == -1)
 
C90 allowed -1/10 to be either 0 or -1. C99 and later requires -1/10 to
be 0. In all versions of the standard, the values returned by the %
operator are defined by requiring that (a/b)*b + (a%b) == a.
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