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TOPIC: Way to sort in C++, how? 4 possiblities
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, May 29 2009 11:50 pm
From: Andreas Ott

Hello,

the actual state.
http://www1.minpic.de/bild_anzeigen.php?id=72043&key=73473177&ende

My project.
http://www.fileuploadx.de/361318

Why I need the 4 ways?
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It is a machine to mark something in correct direction.
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My problem:
I need the algorithm for case 2 and 4
Maybe somebody can help me.

Greet

- Andreas -

static bool SortCase1(const CSortWay var1,const CSortWay var2)
{
double x1 = var1.X;
double y1 = var1.Y;

double x2 = var2.X;
double y2 = var2.Y;

return( (x1<x2) || (x1==x2 && y1<y2) );

}

static bool SortCase2(const CSortWay var1,const CSortWay var2)
{
// ** TODO
double x1 = var1.X;
double y1 = var1.Y;

double x2 = var2.X;
double y2 = var2.Y;

return( (x1*x1 + y1*y1) < (x2*x2 + y2*y2) );
}

static bool SortCase3(const CSortWay var1,const CSortWay var2)
{
double x1 = var1.X;
double y1 = var1.Y;

double x2 = var2.X;
double y2 = var2.Y;

return( (y1<y2) || (y1==y2 && x1<x2) );

}

static bool SortCase4(const CSortWay var1,const CSortWay var2)
{
// ** TODO
double x1 = var1.X;
double y1 = var1.Y;

double x2 = var2.X;
double y2 = var2.Y;

return( (x1*x1 + y1*y1) < (x2*x2 + y2*y2) );
}
};

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, May 30 2009 12:41 am
From: kwikius

On May 30, 5:31 am, "Tony" <t...@my.net> wrote:
> Well there's the object model: "C++ers" (circa 2009, not language invention
> time (I'm letting the mentioned latterS off the hook)) don't get it. They
> blindly accept the C++ object model (read, thery're "virtually blindsided"),
> as it lacks practical substance. Theory is nice, and everyone has one (did I
> say that?), but the C++ object model theory is a pile.
>
> I'm gonna stop with that cuz it's such a BIGGIE. I could have made the
> subject: "The C++ object model sucks!".
>
> All comments welcomed.

Sounds Way Cooooool! Tony...

but I think it needs a little more Detail filling in...

so we can figure ....

WTF YOURE ON ABOUT MAN !!!! ?

regards
Andy Little

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, May 30 2009 12:47 am
From: SG

On 30 Mai, 06:31, "Tony" <t...@my.net> wrote:
> Well there's the object model: "C++ers" (circa 2009, not language invention
> time (I'm letting the mentioned latterS off the hook)) don't get it. They
> blindly accept the C++ object model (read, thery're "virtually blindsided"),
> as it lacks practical substance. Theory is nice, and everyone has one (did I
> say that?), but the C++ object model theory is a pile.
>
> I'm gonna stop with that cuz it's such a BIGGIE. I could have made the
> subject: "The C++ object model sucks!".
>
> All comments welcomed.

From what I know you're only considering different "object models" for
your own programming language design. You should add a little more
content that qualifies as a good basis for a discussion and move the
thread to comp.lang.misc or something. In this group with these kinds
of posts of yours, frankly, you just look like a troll to me.

Cheers!
SG

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, May 30 2009 1:57 am
From: Christof Donat

Hi,

> Well there's the object model: "C++ers" (circa 2009, not language
> invention time (I'm letting the mentioned latterS off the hook)) don't
> get it.

Ah. I guess that is why you don't want to be more explicit here. The C++
people might become depressed and jump out of the window as soon as they
get blinded looking at the sun of your bright light.

> They blindly accept the C++ object model (read, thery're
> "virtually blindsided"), as it lacks practical substance.

I guess that the lack of practical substance is the reason why so many
applications still are written in C++.

> Theory is
> nice, and everyone has one (did I say that?), but the C++ object model
> theory is a pile.

Thanks for telling us so many details. Now go back under your stone
where you trolls belong to.

Christof

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, May 30 2009 4:48 am
From: Stuart Golodetz

Tony wrote:
> Well there's the object model: "C++ers" (circa 2009, not language invention
> time (I'm letting the mentioned latterS off the hook)) don't get it. They
> blindly accept the C++ object model (read, thery're "virtually blindsided"),
> as it lacks practical substance. Theory is nice, and everyone has one (did I
> say that?), but the C++ object model theory is a pile.
>
> I'm gonna stop with that cuz it's such a BIGGIE. I could have made the
> subject: "The C++ object model sucks!".
>
> All comments welcomed.

My comment would be that if you're going to troll newsgroups (an
activity which suggests to me that you have far more time than the rest
of us - indeed, there are those who would say 'too much' time), then at
least put forward a *coherent* controversial viewpoint so that you can
watch the sparks fly :)

Being annoying is somewhat forgivable - being inept far less so. If you
live in the UK, think 'Gordon Brown' (who, to our great detriment, is
the latter) and you'll get what I mean. Be annoying if you must, but be
*intelligently* annoying. 'Good' trolls provoke an argument (however
unnecessary) about a topic of some interest to people in the newsgroup;
bad trolls just provoke laughter at their own expense.

Regards,
Stu

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Date: Sat, May 30 2009 5:19 am
From: Rolf Magnus

Pascal J. Bourguignon wrote:

> Ioannis Vranos <ivranos@freemail.gr> writes:
>
>> No object is allocated with the address 0. Consequently, 0 acts as a
>> pointer literal, indicating that a pointer doesn't refer to an object.
>
> AFAIK, this is not exactly exact. "address" is not a C notion.

Not right. Although the C standard doesn't define the meaning of the word
"address", that word is used a lot in the standard. Basically an address is
a pointer's value.

> C has a notion of pointer. The pointer 0 cannot refer any object. But it
> doesn't mean that the microprocessor address 0 may not be used to
> store a object.

An address doesn't even need to be a simple linear number. It can be
anything.

> For example, AFAIK, a C compiler could map pointers to addresses by
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The only mapping that you get here is the mapping between pointer and
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Basically, in the following code, p1 and p2 may end up having different
values:

int i = 0;
void* p1 = (void*)0;
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, May 30 2009 9:39 am
From: asm23

James Kanze wrote:
> On May 24, 2:18 pm, asm23 <asmwarr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Thanks James for your help. Actually, I'm reading these links,
>> I'm trying to detect memory leak by using ."A Cross-Platform
>> Memory Leak Detector".
>
>> http://wyw.dcweb.cn/leakage.htm
>
>> The author try to define his own debug_new routing, in which
>> any memory allocation and deleting can be recorded.
>
> The author also explains the restrictions, sort of: what he
> doesn't mention is that they mean that it will not work if any
> standard headers are included after the new new is defined.
>
>> He just use these mechanism. It seems he just override of the
>> *operator new*.
>
> Actually, he posts an update (credited to an idea from Greg
> Herlihy) in which he doesn't override operator new, and which
> works for placement new. It's still formally undefined behavior
> if you include a standard header, but done correctly, it's verly
> likely to work in practice.
>
>> For the replacement issue, it seem there are two steps, and
>> macros can be called recursively.
>
> I don't know why there are two steps, it's not necessary. But
> macros can't be called recursively. During expansion of a
> macro, it's name is "hidden", so that it won't recurse.

Thanks James. I see.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, May 30 2009 10:34 am
From: Markus Raab

Ignoramus17844 wrote:

> Is there something like that for Linux?

Have you tried valgrind?

Markus

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, May 30 2009 7:49 am
From: Daniel Luis dos Santos

On 2009-05-30 00:08:58 +0100, Gianni Mariani <gi4nospam@mariani.ws> said:

> Daniel Luis dos Santos wrote:
>> On 2009-05-29 19:59:50 +0100, Daniel Luis dos Santos
>> <daniel.dlds@gmail.com> said:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I am trying to make a function that converts WCHAR_T strings to UTF-8.
>>> After experimenting for a while, found out that I can only convert
>>> standard ASCII chars. When I put a vowel with an accent (for example) I
>>> always get a EILSEQ in errno. I am trying to convert using the
>>> following test function :
>>>
>>> void convTest() {
>>> wchar_t *str = L"a ºtring";
>>> char *inBuf = (char*)str;
>>> size_t inBufSize = sizeof(wchar_t)*wcslen(str);
>>> char *outBuf = (char*)malloc(1024);
>>> size_t outBufAvailSize = sizeof(char)*1024;
>>> iconv_t ds = iconv_open("UTF-8", "WCHAR_T");
>>> size_t converted = iconv(ds, &inBuf, &inBufSize, &outBuf,
>>> &outBufAvailSize);
>>> if (converted == (size_t)-1)
>>> if (errno == EILSEQ)
>>> printf("invalid char sequence");
>>> else if (errno == EINVAL)
>>> printf("incomplete input");
>>> else if (errno == E2BIG)
>>> printf("not enough space");
>>> }
>>>
>>> The º character causes an EILSEQ. I am in portugal with a portuguese keyboard.
>>> Help !
>>
>> Ok,
>>
>> I noticed in a terminal window that the locale was C, and from the
>> glibc docs learned that at startup the current locale of any C program
>> is also C.
>>
>> I then called
>> <code>setlocale(LC_ALL, "pt_PT.UTF-8");</code>
>> before calling the function in the previous post and the iconv call succeeded.
>>
>> But now I am confused. Isn't UTF-8 locale independent ? I was supposing
>> that UTF-8 contained every possible character and that a conversion
>> existed between it and wchar_t.
>>
>> What if in my program I want decode characters from different locales
>> than the one on my machine ? From what I've learned from the glibc
>> docs, the call to setlocale sets the locale machine-wide, so that is
>> not an option as it would mess up other programs, right ?
>>
>> How do you deal with this when a single program must handle multiple locales ?
>
> What is the output of running the command "iconv -l" on your computer?
>
> iconv and your locale are not related.
>
> The format of wchar_t characters is "undefined" so you can't depend on
> it being anything interesting other than using them with the clib wie
> char routines (like mbtowc and family..)
>
> Many modern platforms use the 4 byte version of UNICODE (UCS-4 or
> UTF-32) and older platforms use 16 bit wide chars, however modern "16
> bit" platforms now seem to use "UTF-16) as the wide character format.
>
> I hope this helps.
>
> The C++ standard does not impose anything on wchar_t so you really need
> to know how your system is configured.

The output is a list of convertible encodings. In that list I didn't
find the string "WCHAR_T" I am using in my code when calling
iconv_open, but I am using the C function and it is on the man-page. I
think that using UCS-4 is the same (I am on macos X, which is GNU)

When I set the locale the iconv function is affected as I said in the
previous post. From an answer I got in another mailing list, I was told
that the constant L"a string" is subject to the current locale. That is
why when I change the locale all its characters are considered valid by
iconv.

My next question is, if I receive any string in function for
conversion inside a wchar_t*, how do I know which locale it is in ? If
i get the locale wrong, the conversion will fail.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, May 30 2009 2:36 pm
From: pauldepstein@att.net

I was a bit surprised to see this on sourcemaking.com because it
generally appears excellent. My opinion is that this code is faulty
because the destructor has not been made virtual in the base class
Stooge. Am I correct, or is there some reason a non-virtual
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Thanks a lot,

Paul Epstein

Code is pasted below:

class Stooge
{
public:
// Factory Method
static Stooge *make_stooge(int choice);
virtual void slap_stick() = 0;
};

int main()
{
vector<Stooge*> roles;
int choice;
while (true)
{
cout << "Larry(1) Moe(2) Curly(3) Go(0): ";
cin >> choice;
if (choice == 0)
break;
roles.push_back(Stooge::make_stooge(choice));
}
for (int i = 0; i < roles.size(); i++)
roles[i]->slap_stick();
for (int i = 0; i < roles.size(); i++)
delete roles[i];
}

class Larry: public Stooge
{
public:
void slap_stick()
{
cout << "Larry: poke eyes\n";
}
};
class Moe: public Stooge
{
public:
void slap_stick()
{
cout << "Moe: slap head\n";
}
};
class Curly: public Stooge
{
public:
void slap_stick()
{
cout << "Curly: suffer abuse\n";
}
};

Stooge *Stooge::make_stooge(int choice)
{
if (choice == 1)
return new Larry;
else if (choice == 2)
return new Moe;
else
return new Curly;
}

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, May 30 2009 3:23 pm
From: "Alf P. Steinbach"

* pauldepstein@att.net:
> I was a bit surprised to see this on sourcemaking.com because it
> generally appears excellent. My opinion is that this code is faulty
> because the destructor has not been made virtual in the base class
> Stooge. Am I correct, or is there some reason a non-virtual
> destructor is ok?
>
> Thanks a lot,
>
> Paul Epstein
>
> Code is pasted below:
>
> class Stooge
> {
> public:
> // Factory Method
> static Stooge *make_stooge(int choice);
> virtual void slap_stick() = 0;
> };
>
> int main()
> {
> vector<Stooge*> roles;
> int choice;
> while (true)
> {
> cout << "Larry(1) Moe(2) Curly(3) Go(0): ";
> cin >> choice;
> if (choice == 0)
> break;
> roles.push_back(Stooge::make_stooge(choice));
> }
> for (int i = 0; i < roles.size(); i++)
> roles[i]->slap_stick();
> for (int i = 0; i < roles.size(); i++)
> delete roles[i];
> }
>
> class Larry: public Stooge
> {
> public:
> void slap_stick()
> {
> cout << "Larry: poke eyes\n";
> }
> };
> class Moe: public Stooge
> {
> public:
> void slap_stick()
> {
> cout << "Moe: slap head\n";
> }
> };
> class Curly: public Stooge
> {
> public:
> void slap_stick()
> {
> cout << "Curly: suffer abuse\n";
> }
> };
>
> Stooge *Stooge::make_stooge(int choice)
> {
> if (choice == 1)
> return new Larry;
> else if (choice == 2)
> return new Moe;
> else
> return new Curly;
> }

UB.

Cheers, & hth.,

- Alf

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== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, May 30 2009 3:52 pm
From: pauldepstein@att.net

On May 31, 12:23 am, "Alf P. Steinbach" <al...@start.no> wrote:
> * pauldepst...@att.net:
>
>
>
> > I was a bit surprised to see this on sourcemaking.com because it
> > generally appears excellent. My opinion is that this code is faulty
> > because the destructor has not been made virtual in the base class
> > Stooge. Am I correct, or is there some reason a non-virtual
> > destructor is ok?
>
> > Thanks a lot,
>
> > Paul Epstein
>
> > Code is pasted below:
>
> > class Stooge
> > {
> > public:
> > // Factory Method
> > static Stooge *make_stooge(int choice);
> > virtual void slap_stick() = 0;
> > };
>
> > int main()
> > {
> > vector<Stooge*> roles;
> > int choice;
> > while (true)
> > {
> > cout << "Larry(1) Moe(2) Curly(3) Go(0): ";
> > cin >> choice;
> > if (choice == 0)
> > break;
> > roles.push_back(Stooge::make_stooge(choice));
> > }
> > for (int i = 0; i < roles.size(); i++)
> > roles[i]->slap_stick();
> > for (int i = 0; i < roles.size(); i++)
> > delete roles[i];
> > }
>
> > class Larry: public Stooge
> > {
> > public:
> > void slap_stick()
> > {
> > cout << "Larry: poke eyes\n";
> > }
> > };
> > class Moe: public Stooge
> > {
> > public:
> > void slap_stick()
> > {
> > cout << "Moe: slap head\n";
> > }
> > };
> > class Curly: public Stooge
> > {
> > public:
> > void slap_stick()
> > {
> > cout << "Curly: suffer abuse\n";
> > }
> > };
>
> > Stooge *Stooge::make_stooge(int choice)
> > {
> > if (choice == 1)
> > return new Larry;
> > else if (choice == 2)
> > return new Moe;
> > else
> > return new Curly;
> > }
>
> UB.
>
> Cheers, & hth.,
>
> - Alf
>
> --
> Due to hosting requirements I need visits to <url:http://alfps.izfree.com/>.
> No ads, and there is some C++ stuff! :-) Just going there is good. Linking
> to it is even better! Thanks in advance!

Actually, I've spotted very many typos there since my posting so I
shouldn't have been surprised. But nevertheless, it's the best free
resource on C++ Design patterns that I've seen.

Paul Epstein

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Borland C++ Builder
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I want to write a socket communication for my study in C++.

Now the socket works, I can communication between server and client.

If I want to send a file from client to server, what should I do?

I think I need to read the file first, then put the file content to socket buffer, then send them. Is this sequence correct?

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