Thursday, June 2, 2016

Digest for comp.lang.c++@googlegroups.com - 25 updates in 2 topics

"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Jun 02 02:10AM -0700

Give God your all (live true faith):
 
As the world dives deeper and deeper into self-absorption, seek your
path from the strength and security of the living God. Learn of Him and
His ways, and why they are that way. It's not by accident. God has a
real plan that is coming to fruition. Be part of the victory by
placing your faith in Jesus Christ, and then into motion.
 
Give God your all. Turn your faith into action. Speak the words
of life (His words), and watch God grow in those around you, for
Jesus is life (the very wellspring of it).
 
-----
A teaching by Pastor Darrell Myatt:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzZmxD5o4yI
 
-----
Listen to these lyrics, performed by Lauren Daigle:
 
"Here's My Heart, Lord"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFw42tZVDKI
 
"Once And For All"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oaRYLEIeis
 
-----
The victory of the cross: "It is done. I am the Alpha and Omega,"
says the Lord God, "The Beginning and the End."
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjrivXWczGU
 
Jesus loves you. He wants to forgive your sin and give you eternal
life. Receive His free gift and enter into a new phase of your life,
one you never thought possible. God makes it possible for you.
 
Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin
JiiPee <no@notvalid.com>: Jun 02 10:39AM +0100

I am actually a christian myself, but I dont think its a good idea to
post these messages in technical forums like this.
Maybe a general chat forum? i post these sometimes even in Finnish
evolution forum (as people there seems to be fine with it) ... but I
dont think people are here fine with this ... you know what I mean? :)
 
 
On 02/06/2016 10:10, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
JiiPee <no@notvalid.com>: Jun 02 10:41AM +0100

cannot say am 100% sure of this, but thats why I do not send these
messsages here. If I was fine with it I would do it here myself as
well... :)
 
 
On 02/06/2016 10:39, JiiPee wrote:
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Jun 02 04:10AM -0700

JiiPee wrote:
> but I dont think people are here fine with this ... you know
> what I mean? :)
 
Will the people in this forum be in general chat forums? Or evolution
forums? Did Jesus die to only save those people who somehow find
their way to a church service or religion-only forum? When Jesus
was on the Earth, did He stick to synagogues and religious festivals?
Or did He speak to five-time divorcées who were shamefully out
getting water in the middle of the day? And did He speak to the
people in fields and on hills? Did He approach lepers? And heal them?
 
When I look up to that cross, I see His blood stained body,
wrongly beaten and put to shame so that I will not have to be
judged for my sin. I look around to the people of this Earth,
realizing that we are all sinners, we are all in need of forgiveness,
of salvation, and I consider that Christ's death was sufficient not
just for my sin, but for everybody's sin world-wide, and I remember
the deception I was under before I became a believer, and the Lord's
commission to go and teach. When I consider these things, I cannot
hide His love offer of total forgiveness and eternal life just to
certain forums, or just to those places the unsaved would say
are appropriate. Of course Satan wants Jesus silenced wherever
possible. Jesus really saves people. Really restores. Really redeems.
That means defeat for him, hence the call for segregation.
 
It should be Christ, our Lord, guiding our life, not Satan.
 
Where I go in my life I bear within me knowledge of the living
God. That knowledge is alive and active and cannot be silenced
or compartmentalized. It is fully replete, and occupies the sum
total of my being continuously, then naturally outpouring into all
things I do.
 
-----
Jesus is life. And I care too much about the people around me to
not at least give them the opportunity to hear from my mouth the
way to forgiveness and eternal life.
 
Remember that this message is only for those who will be saved.
Not one drop of blood, nor one teaching of God is given to those
who won't be saved. They are already condemned, and will not
share in eternal life, but only eternal torment.
 
Teach those around you wherever you are so they will have the
chance to hear and believe, for it is pleasing to God to teach others
in this way. Some will hear, and it is for those few we labor.
 
Remember His love, and walk...
 
Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin
"Öö Tiib" <ootiib@hot.ee>: Jun 02 05:22AM -0700

On Thursday, 2 June 2016 12:41:15 UTC+3, JiiPee wrote:
> cannot say am 100% sure of this, but thats why I do not send these
> messsages here. If I was fine with it I would do it here myself as
> well... :)
 
From receiver's viewpoint it irrelevant if the author of quoted (by you)
off-topic spam is Rick or you. such messages fully and then replying
to those repeatedly is equivalent to sending those.
 
What is obvious to me is that God (if He exists) is extremely modest.
So modest that He is impossible to detect. Various annoying people
claiming knowledge and telling things about God in wrong places
have apparently nothing to do with neither Him nor His wishes.
"Öö Tiib" <ootiib@hot.ee>: Jun 02 05:52AM -0700

On Thursday, 2 June 2016 14:11:03 UTC+3, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> evolution forums? Jesus die to only save those people who
> somehow find their way to a church service or religion-only
> forum?
 
If to read Bible then it writes that Jesus did die because in Judaea
the local political authorities (elders), lawyers (scribes) and
religious authorities (priests) did demand his crucifixion from
prefect Pontius Pilate (who found Jesus innocent of charges himself).
 
Aren't you, Rick, wannabe of one of those types? Wannabe of priest,
wannabe of religious authority? Yes, Jesus did die because of people
like that and not because of nonsense about hellfire, sins, salvation
and other gibberish that such priesty types usually talk about.
JiiPee <no@notvalid.com>: Jun 02 01:52PM +0100

On 02/06/2016 12:10, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Or did He speak to five-time divorcées who were shamefully out
> getting water in the middle of the day? And did He speak to the
> people in fields and on hills? Did He approach lepers? And heal them?
 
yes he did. But I do not think he went to a school class and in the
middle of the class stood up and started preaching :). At least there
are no records of this. So there is a place and time for doing it and
sometimes not. You can see that he is doing it in public areas, like on
the streets, which is totally legal etc.
JiiPee <no@notvalid.com>: Jun 02 01:54PM +0100

On 02/06/2016 13:22, Öö Tiib wrote:
> From receiver's viewpoint it irrelevant if the author of quoted (by you)
> off-topic spam is Rick or you. such messages fully and then replying
> to those repeatedly is equivalent to sending those.
 
but answering inside the main topic does not really affect anything. You
did not need to look at the answers he got! Why did not read my
message?? You did not have to ... and it was under his message so you
dont even see it. :)
JiiPee <no@notvalid.com>: Jun 02 01:56PM +0100

On 02/06/2016 13:54, JiiPee wrote:
> You did not need to look at the answers he got! Why did not read my
> message?? You did not have to ... and it was under his message so you
> dont even see it. :)
 
At least on my thunderbird I only see the beginning/first message and
not the replies to it. I have to open the first message purposely to see
its replies
David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>: Jun 02 02:59PM +0200

On 02/06/16 11:41, JiiPee wrote:
>> Maybe a general chat forum? i post these sometimes even in Finnish
>> evolution forum (as people there seems to be fine with it) ... but I
>> dont think people are here fine with this ... you know what I mean? :)
 
Rick is beyond saving. Don't copy his behaviour.
 
The general attitude in technical forums is that religious posts are not
particularly welcome. In many forums, there is some tolerance for the
/occasional/ off-topic thread, whether it be about religion, science,
history, or whatever. There are some people who disapprove of all such
posts, but a fair amount who think it is okay within a clearly labelled
thread.
 
But while an occasional discussion /about/ religion is not bad,
evangelising is /always/ bad. Rick (when posting religious stuff - his
technical posts and discussions are absolutely fine) never answers any
questions, and takes no heed of anything other people write - he just
rambles, posts links that no one ever views, and gives quotations from
the Bible as though they were argument enough in themselves. His
position is basically that he (and apparently, since he disagrees with
other Christians, he alone) knows the truth and the facts - therefore it
is neither religion nor a matter of belief, and there is no need to
apply any thought or rationality, or consider any evidence or
counter-evidence. The Bible is "true" because it says so in the Bible,
and that must be correct since the Bible is "true".
 
If you are interested in Rick-style posting, then please do it
elsewhere. This is particularly the case if you really believe that you
have a duty to help others join your particular flavour of religion -
Rick does a fine job of ensuring that no one else would ever want to be
like him or believe the stuff he does.
 
But if there is already an active thread about religion, then you might
as well post there, within limits - you won't annoy anyone who isn't
already annoyed, and if you are able to express your beliefs and
opinions rationally, it might be interesting. It can't be worse than
than the repetitive posts with Bible quotes, complaints about swearing,
more swearing to annoy the complainers, idiotic claims that "evolution
disproves the Bible", and equally idiotic claims that there is
archaeological evidence that proves it.
JiiPee <no@notvalid.com>: Jun 02 02:00PM +0100

On 02/06/2016 13:52, Öö Tiib wrote:
> prefect Pontius Pilate (who found Jesus innocent of charges himself).
 
> Aren't you, Rick, wannabe of one of those types? Wannabe of priest,
> wannabe of religious authority?
 
I have no reason to doubt his sincerity.... just was saying that
preaching has a wrong place. Like in the middle of a maths class.
JiiPee <no@notvalid.com>: Jun 02 02:11PM +0100

On 02/06/2016 13:59, David Brown wrote:
>>> evolution forum (as people there seems to be fine with it) ... but I
>>> dont think people are here fine with this ... you know what I mean? :)
 
> Rick is beyond saving. Don't copy his behaviour.
 
am not saying anything about his faith-sincerity.. .just about this issue.
 
 
> The general attitude in technical forums is that religious posts are not
> particularly welcome.
 
I agree
 
> In many forums, there is some tolerance for the
> /occasional/ off-topic thread, whether it be about religion, science,
> history, or whatever.
 
like in Finnish evolution forum... they seem to all accept offtopic
issues, its more like friends chatting all kind of things...although
even there I prefer to FOCUS on evolution, but i dont mind here and
there other topics, i think its actuallly good there.
 
But ye, this is about programming, not really suitable here.
 
> There are some people who disapprove of all such
> posts, but a fair amount who think it is okay within a clearly labelled
> thread.
 
I actgually think nothing else here than programming :). and I believe :).
But one can put religious stuff inside their singature, isnt it? Thats
ok becouse its optional to read.
 
> But while an occasional discussion /about/ religion is not bad,
> evangelising is /always/ bad.
 
well here i disagree. In public area everybody has a right to say their
opinion of anything... its just freedom of speech, isnt it? I let
muslims/atheists talk... so let me also talk about christianity.
 
> questions, and takes no heed of anything other people write - he just
> rambles, posts links that no one ever views, and gives quotations from
> the Bible as though they were argument enough in themselves.
 
yes agree that is he starts something should at least answer and be
involved.
 
> apply any thought or rationality, or consider any evidence or
> counter-evidence. The Bible is "true" because it says so in the Bible,
> and that must be correct since the Bible is "true".
 
again, I have not met him... so its difficult to say who he really is
only by reading text on my screen. its so much different when you meet
in person...
 
> have a duty to help others join your particular flavour of religion -
> Rick does a fine job of ensuring that no one else would ever want to be
> like him or believe the stuff he does.
 
:). heh. Well, thats one reason I adviced him not to do it... becouse I
have a feeling it has just almost totally negative effect .
 
> as well post there, within limits - you won't annoy anyone who isn't
> already annoyed, and if you are able to express your beliefs and
> opinions rationally, it might be interesting.
 
ye , true its better than totally nonsenses posts.
Its one of those things: If I have found something very very good and
interesteing (lets imagine I found a place where you can dig a lot of
Gold),,,, then is the programming forum right place to say it? :)
Like this: "Get Gold for free - I show you how!!!" <- lets imagine that
was really true, would you post it (or would it be ok to post) on forums?
 
 
 
 
JiiPee <no@notvalid.com>: Jun 02 02:16PM +0100

On 02/06/2016 14:11, JiiPee wrote:
> :).
> But one can put religious stuff inside their singature, isnt it? Thats
> ok becouse its optional to read.
 
I am a christian, but when I work and I come here.... I am not at that
moment looking for Bible scriptures or sermons... I am looking for
solutions to my work issues (like how to use c++-threads). So it wastes
my time if there are religious posts all over the place. I can look for
those topics after the work, but there is no order if they are mixed in
work-type of issues.
 
Time and place for everything....
"Öö Tiib" <ootiib@hot.ee>: Jun 02 06:21AM -0700

On Thursday, 2 June 2016 16:00:27 UTC+3, JiiPee wrote:
> > wannabe of religious authority?
 
> I have no reason to doubt his sincerity.... just was saying that
> preaching has a wrong place. Like in the middle of a maths class.
 
I have no doubt in his sincerity. I believe that the priests who
demanded death of Jesus from Pontius Pilate were not insincere or
evil people. They were good priests in their own mind. They found
teachings of Jesus about God wrong, dangerous to society and his
popularity very regrettable. They did the right thing in their own
mind. They were blind that Jesus is good man but blindness is not
sin, blindness is defect. Rick is also good and sincere ... just sort
of deaf and blind towards other people like those priests of Judaea.
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Jun 02 06:27AM -0700

JiiPee wrote:
> yes he did. But I do not think he went to a school class and
> in the middle of the class stood up and started preaching :).
 
What do these verses mean?
 
http://biblehub.com/kjv/colossians/3-17.htm
"And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do
all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving
thanks to God and the Father by him."
 
http://biblehub.com/kjv/1_peter/4-11.htm
"If any man speak, let him speak as the
oracles of God; if any man minister, let him
do it as of the ability which God giveth: that
God in all things may be glorified through
Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion
for ever and ever. Amen."
 
http://biblehub.com/kjv/2_corinthians/10-5.htm
"Casting down imaginations, and every high
thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge
of God, and bringing into captivity every
thought to the obedience of Christ;"
 
http://biblehub.com/kjv/james/4-15.htm
"For that ye ought to say, If the Lord will, we
shall live, and do this, or that."
 
God first in everything. By name. So as to set it right before all.
No variance, no slight of turning. Open and honest, purposed
on making other people's lives better.
 
-----
We are called to go into all the world and teach and make disciples.
It is a life calling, ongoing, in all things, at all times, until we leave
this world.
 
David is a non-believer. I advise praying for Him, that God
may open his eyes.
 
Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin
James Lothian <jameslothian1@gmail.com>: Jun 02 02:33PM +0100

Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Give God your all (live true faith):
 
Time for some killfile maintenance. Sigh.
David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>: Jun 02 03:58PM +0200

On 02/06/16 15:11, JiiPee wrote:
>>>> dont think people are here fine with this ... you know what I mean? :)
 
>> Rick is beyond saving. Don't copy his behaviour.
 
> am not saying anything about his faith-sincerity.. .just about this issue.
 
As am I.
 
 
> I actgually think nothing else here than programming :). and I believe :).
> But one can put religious stuff inside their singature, isnt it? Thats
> ok becouse its optional to read.
 
Signatures can pretty much be anything you want, including religious
stuff. Of course, there are limits - people will rightly be annoyed at
racism, bigotry, or other "hate" comments. But religious comments, a
link to a website, etc., are all fine if you follow the proper format
for a Usenet signature.
 
 
> well here i disagree. In public area everybody has a right to say their
> opinion of anything... its just freedom of speech, isnt it? I let
> muslims/atheists talk... so let me also talk about christianity.
 
You have the right to freedom of speech - but you don't have the right
to expect people to appreciate whatever you say! So of course neither I
nor anyone else can tell you that you may not evangelise here - but I
can advise you that people will not like it.
 
>> the Bible as though they were argument enough in themselves.
 
> yes agree that is he starts something should at least answer and be
> involved.
 
(Rick, I know you are reading this too - I would not write about someone
in the third person without them being aware of it. But you already
know everything I am writing below - it is not the first time I have
made these points. If you want to discuss any of the points -
seriously, without Bible quotations or circular arguments - you know my
email address.)
 
 
He gets involved, in that he continues to post - but he does not appear
to properly read posts or consider a what people are asking. (Again,
this only applies to his religious posts - I have no problems with his
technical posts.)
 
 
> again, I have not met him... so its difficult to say who he really is
> only by reading text on my screen. its so much different when you meet
> in person...
 
Absolutely true. And my guess is that any religious discussion with
Rick would be far more informative and enjoyable in person than in a
newsgroup - Usenet is not a good medium for evangelism or religious
arguments.
 
>> like him or believe the stuff he does.
 
> :). heh. Well, thats one reason I adviced him not to do it... becouse I
> have a feeling it has just almost totally negative effect .
 
I would go further - I think it has a very strong negative effect, in
several ways. One is that he highlights the negative so much - "fire
and brimstone" preaching rarely wins new converts. Two is that he jumps
straight in - religion is an all-or-nothing affair for Rick, and his
"all" is much more extreme than most believers. Anyone who has ever
"converted" someone to Christianity, or seen someone converted, knows it
is a gradual process of awakening an interest, questioning and
answering, over a long period of time. That is something that simply
cannot be done on Usenet. And finally, because he writes the way he
does, people cannot help but associate his manic behaviour with
Christianity - no one wants to be associated with that sort of thing,
and I am sure that most Christians in the groups where Rick posts are
bothered by that.
 
> Gold),,,, then is the programming forum right place to say it? :)
> Like this: "Get Gold for free - I show you how!!!" <- lets imagine that
> was really true, would you post it (or would it be ok to post) on forums?
 
Such situations are so rare that it is difficult to know if people would
think it were okay. I expect people would assume it is spam - you'd
have to work hard to convince anyone. But repeating the same message in
much the same words certainly won't help!
JiiPee <no@notvalid.com>: Jun 02 03:15PM +0100

On 02/06/2016 14:58, David Brown wrote:
> to expect people to appreciate whatever you say! So of course neither I
> nor anyone else can tell you that you may not evangelise here - but I
> can advise you that people will not like it.
 
but I think here its more like an issue: preaching in a class room vs
preaching on the streets
So its not about do people like it, its more about is it right/legal?
The reason I do not want him to do it here is becouse its "wrong" (or
thats how I see it), not becouse some dont like it. So I dont think its
so much about people liking it.
 
For example if its illegal/wrong, then there is no way there the message
is gonna be accepted by anybody.
 
Somebody conveying their message on the streets... its not about whether
people like it or not... people always gonna dislike almost anything.
Freedom of speech is not about liking in the first place....its about
expressing your ideas in public.
 
> think it were okay. I expect people would assume it is spam - you'd
> have to work hard to convince anyone. But repeating the same message in
> much the same words certainly won't help!
 
Thats the issue: its very difficult to convince people something on the
internet even if its true and something very good.
And maybe this is one of the reasons actually that its many times a bit
waste of time to spread these "good messages" becouse how can people
trust it? How can people know its true what the message says?
 
Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid>: Jun 02 08:19AM +0200

On Wed, 1 Jun 2016 16:22:54 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
 
>devices must wait while that device is accessing the memory. It doesn't
>make any difference how many DIMMS and now many memory controllers there
>are - the chip's design restricts access to one unit at a time.
 
why each cpu does not has one its 'bus' or line to memory indipendet
of other?
Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com>: Jun 02 08:15PM +1200

On 06/ 2/16 05:11 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
 
>> If you knew anything about the data centre space you would know about
>> 100GbE networking.
 
> I know aboutdata center space. But that is limited to the data center.
 
So what? your question "And exactly where are those speeds?" has been
answered.
 
> How many places in the world have 100Gbs networking external to a data
> center?
 
Under my desk once the adapters and cables arrive....
 
--
Ian
BartC <bc@freeuk.com>: Jun 02 10:41AM +0100

On 01/06/2016 21:22, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
 
 
> are - the chip's design restricts access to one unit at a time.
 
> So no, you cannot run all of your I/O concurrently at full speed - no
> matter what you claim.
 
You decide in advance what 'full speed' it is that you want, and design
the memory system to allow that. Anything is possible.
 
You have a memory system that can access a one byte cell in 1ns, so A
and B can't simultaneously access that same byte. So you change it so
the access can be done 0.5ns. Then A and B can take turns to access the
byte (and avoid the problems of both actually writing to it at the same
instant), effectively giving both access in that 1ns.
 
You just design in spare bandwidth.
 
--
Bartc
Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com>: Jun 02 11:13PM +1200

On 06/ 2/16 05:11 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> RAID, it takes even longer. Now the data may already be in the RAID's
> cache (in which case it will operate at speeds near to - but not quite
> as fast as - an SSD), but even then the cache size is limited.
 
Hardware RAID is so last century...
 
> And even
> an 8 disk RAID can't keep up; eventually it will have to go to disk, and
> even the fastest disks max out at around 175MB/s.
 
.. each.
 
--
Ian
scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal): Jun 02 12:46PM

>have data lines. The address lines are used to access a particular
>memory location, and the data lines are used to read or write to that
>location.
 
I give up. You've missed the last two decades of hardware design
advancements. I build processors, do you?
scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal): Jun 02 12:49PM

>>are - the chip's design restricts access to one unit at a time.
 
>why each cpu does not has one its 'bus' or line to memory indipendet
>of other?
 
It does. That was one of the great advancements that AMD made in the
x86 compatable space over a decade ago - the memory controllers are
no longer separate and they're connected directly to the processor
package instead of a separate northbridge chip. Thus, modern systems
have from two to 12 (or more, depending on socket count) memory
controllers driving one or two DIMM's per each. That's not even
considering FBDIMMS or other serial connections to memory.
scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal): Jun 02 12:50PM

>byte (and avoid the problems of both actually writing to it at the same
>instant), effectively giving both access in that 1ns.
 
>You just design in spare bandwidth.
 
exactly. Standard computer architecture 101. Then, you distribute
the physical address space across multiple controllers to allow
additional parallelism.
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