Tuesday, October 25, 2016

Digest for comp.lang.c++@googlegroups.com - 15 updates in 3 topics

Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com>: Oct 25 11:21AM -0700

On Sunday, October 23, 2016 at 6:17:47 AM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
 
> I have investigated Jesus Christ.
 
What you haven't done is familiarize yourself with any of the massive amount
information that is currently available about ancient religion, from which
biblical religion emerged. You don't know about the the extra biblical sources,
especially the Ugaritic texts, and the pictorial art that have been discovered
in the last half-century. You don't how the ancients understood their deities,
myths, and rituals, independently of the biblical polemics that disparaged
them. You probably don't know that biblical monotheism emerged from polytheism,
even though the signs of polytheism are apparent in the biblical texts
themselves, as scholars have long recognized, and which you can find in your
bible. You don't know about the parallel myths in ancient Ugaritic texts that
reappear in the later biblical texts.
 
My invitation to you is to learn. Take a course in the religious studies
department at a university. Or read. I would suggest the Origins of Biblical
Monotheism by Mark S. Smith. Or Stories from Ancient Canaan by Michael D.
Coogan and Mark S. Smith. The story of ancient religion is fascinating, and
you're missing out on most of it. What are you afraid of?
 
Best regards,
Daniel
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Oct 25 11:30AM -0700

On Tuesday, October 25, 2016 at 2:21:21 PM UTC-4, Daniel wrote:
> Monotheism by Mark S. Smith. Or Stories from Ancient Canaan by Michael D.
> Coogan and Mark S. Smith. The story of ancient religion is fascinating, and
> you're missing out on most of it. What are you afraid of?
 
Daniel, you're listening to demons try to take your eyes off the truth.
They purposefully cloud the way of knowledge, muddying it up with man's
learning, and even false things.
 
Study the Bible. Seek to learn the truth about Jesus Christ the man, and
about Him being God. You too will come to know Him as He is ... if you
seek the truth:
 
Gospel of John (English)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mgUPt2KI08
 
Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin
Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com>: Oct 25 11:53AM -0700

On Tuesday, October 25, 2016 at 2:30:29 PM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
 
> Daniel, you're listening to demons try to take your eyes off the truth.
> They purposefully cloud the way of knowledge, muddying it up with man's
> learning,
 
Relax :-) If the scholars in our departments of religion and divinity schools can
put their faith aside as they study the historical context of the biblical texts,
you can too. If learning leads you to a point of crisis, well, that point has
already been long since passed in most intellectual circles in the west.
 
Be well,
Daniel
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Oct 25 12:12PM -0700

On Tuesday, October 25, 2016 at 2:53:43 PM UTC-4, Daniel wrote:
> put their faith aside as they study the historical context of the biblical texts,
> you can too. If learning leads you to a point of crisis, well, that point has
> already been long since passed in most intellectual circles in the west.
 
Daniel, there are demons teaching people things. What most people who
study such things fail to realize is that God has not been overcome by
Satan. All of the attempts at destroying the true and correct knowledge
of God have not borne fruit, because Jesus said the gates of Hell would
not prevail against it.
 
God is still in control of all things. And God the Father draws those
who seek the truth to His Son so they can be saved.
 
It's not a knowledge thing that is a seeking of the truth, it is a heart
thing. And there are plenty of avenues which can fill the mind with all
manner of teachings, but none of them will lead a person to faith in
Jesus Christ, and all of them (except a study of the Bible itself, and a
pressing in to pursue His Holy Spirit guidance) will lead a person away
from faith in Christ.
 
There are polls compiled by Answers in Genesis which reveal how damaging
our bases of scholarly learning are to faith. More than half of the
people who enter universities who would describe themselves as Christians
before entering lose their faith within the first year of indoctrination
into the teachings of this world through those institutions.
 
It's not because the people were mistaken in their faith, but because
there are literal demons working through professors and those in higher
positions teaching against God, inventing things which seem to disprove
God, and then every one of those "nuggets" is glommed on to so they can
be taught to university students, the sole purpose of which: destroy
their faith in God, keep them distracted by man's "knowledge" and his
reasoning, rather than pursing knowledge of God through the spirit.
 
If you really want to learn about Jesus Christ, do not look to man and
man's teachings. Do not go to public institutions of higher learning
for "religious doctrine." Pick up a Bible and start reading. Ask God
to help guide you into truth through prayer and fasting. Seek to know
the truth through study and you will be amazed at what His Holy Spirit
brings to your knowledge.
 
But for those who will not seek the truth, all of that knowledge will
be forever hidden behind a veil such that they cannot see it, cannot
know it, and it will be to their destruction.
 
Seek directly from God. Pick up a Bible and pursue the truth. You
do not need to go to other sources, except possibly a 1600s dictionary
to learn what some of the words meant then because several of them have
different meanings today compared to back then.
 
Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin
"Öö Tiib" <ootiib@hot.ee>: Oct 25 01:56PM -0700

On Tuesday, 25 October 2016 14:22:05 UTC+3, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Öö Tiib wrote:
> > [snip]
 
Oh? How rude. You will perhaps never learn to respect anyone.
So you will be never respected.

[snip]
Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com>: Oct 25 02:12PM -0700

On Tuesday, October 25, 2016 at 3:12:17 PM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
 
> be taught to university students, the sole purpose of which: destroy
> their faith in God, keep them distracted by man's "knowledge" and his
> reasoning, rather than pursing knowledge of God through the spirit.
 
I'm not saying this is true in your case, I'm not qualified to do so, but I see
a great similarity between these words and text messages I once received from a
member of my social circle, from a Chinese woman, who had come to believe that
all of the Chinese members of the group were out to harm her. She was later
diagnosed with Schizophrenia. Schizophrenia is a mental disorder that makes it
hard for a person to tell the difference between what is real and what is not.
The good news is that, with treatment, a person with Schizophrenia can
lead a relatively normal life.
 
If I could make one suggestion, it would be to think less about saving souls,
and more about the teachings. Judge not, lest ye be judged. Why beholdest thou
the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at
her. All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to
them.
 
Do a random act of kindness for a stranger. Do something nice for your wife.
Answer a question on comp.lang.c++ :-)
 
Peace,
Daniel
Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com>: Oct 25 11:24PM +0200

On Tue, 25 Oct 2016 14:12:08 -0700 (PDT)
> Schizophrenia. Schizophrenia is a mental disorder that makes it hard
> for a person to tell the difference between what is real and what is
> not.
 
Then all religious people are schizophrenics. eg Revelation of John is
surely product of schizophrenia.
 
The good news is that, with treatment, a person with
> Schizophrenia can lead a relatively normal life.
 
In Soviet Russia they treated religious people as lunatics...
 
> considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? He that is without
> sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. All things
> whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them.
 
He said that, then he flew in the sky after walking on water and being
killed. Tell me about schizophrenia...
 
 
> Do a random act of kindness for a stranger. Do something nice for
> your wife. Answer a question on comp.lang.c++ :-)
 
C++ is at a least something that can be used as a treatment ;)
 
 
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Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com>: Oct 25 03:38PM -0700

On Tuesday, October 25, 2016 at 5:24:20 PM UTC-4, Melzzzzz wrote:
 
> Then all religious people are schizophrenics.
 
I don't think so. But let me digress.
 
I grew up in a protestant family. I learned from my Frisian mother how Spanish
Catholicism unleashed a reign of terror upon Dutch Protestants. I learned that
the Catholic had cults of saints and miracles, and believed that infants had to
be baptized or they wouldn't go to heaven. I concluded that Catholics were
nuts.
 
Then I started reading up on Protestantism, and learned that some protestants
also felt that it was necessary to burn heretics and witches, that John Calvin
backed the burning of Michael Servetus at the stake for denying the trinity,
and the Salem Witch Trials. I learned that the protestants wanted to go back to
the original teachings, but by the time the earliest texts were written, the
original teachings were already lost in the mists of time. I learned about the
deep divisions about how to be saved, whether through faith alone, or a
combination of faith and good works, or that it was all predestined and nothing
could be done about it. I concluded that protestants were nuts.
 
Then, still in my formative years, I read Marx and Engels's Communist
Manifesto, and thought it all made sense. Sometime later, I realized that I had
been nuts.
 
I finally concluded that we're all nuts. And that it's okay, as long as we
don't feel excessively compelled to convert everyone else to our own flavour of
nuttiness (or kill them.)
 
> In Soviet Russia they treated religious people as lunatics...
 
There's an interesting book called The City of Man by Pierre Manent. He argues that religion took it's purest form at the very beginning, when it was indistinguishable from the authority of the ruling class, and that every evolutionary step in religion involved a departure from that, the Hebrew prophets for example would challenge the rulers, until with the arrival of Christianity it became possible to imagine a world without religion. In the case of Soviet Russia, I think the authorities were less concerned with the mental health of their citizens than with the challenge of religion to the authority of the Party.
 
> C++ is at a least something that can be used as a treatment ;)
 
Just so.
 
Daniel
Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk>: Oct 25 09:51PM +0100

I kill-filed Stuckle a while back but alas I am still seeing his
effluence in people's replies.. please kill-file the idiot instead of
feeding the troll.
 
/Flibble
Chris Vine <chris@cvine--nospam--.freeserve.co.uk>: Oct 25 07:50PM +0100

On Tue, 25 Oct 2016 14:16:02 -0400
 
> Which is why a bird can perch on a high voltage line without being
> electrocuted. And an electrician learns early on when dealing with a
> live circuit to keep one hand in his pocket.
 
Such elementary ignorance. Ohm's law has no application to static
charges. A static charge is composed of an electric field and (by
definition) is evidence of past current and not present current; and the
voltage created by that charge bears no relationship to resistance. It
is determined by the number of coulombs of charge held by the charged
system and its capacitance: a 1 farad capacitor, when charged with 1
coulomb of charge (approximately 6.24150975 x 10^18 electrons), has a
potential difference of 1 volt across it.
 
Anyone who has any knowledge of physics will understand that you are
talking nonsense, so why carry on? Your claim that a source of EMF such
as a battery only has a voltage on its terminals when something is
connected to them which draws a current is ridiculous[1].
 
[1] Incidentally, you don't have to draw a current, say in a voltmeter,
to measure EMF. You can connect a battery to the plates of a cathode
ray tube and measure the beam deflection (ie the voltage) without
drawing current from the battery.
Christian Gollwitzer <auriocus@gmx.de>: Oct 25 09:03PM +0200

Am 25.10.16 um 20:13 schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
 
>> Christian
 
> And where is your EE degree, Christian? Did you get it from a cracker
> jacks box? You are so off it isn't even funny.
 
Uh, lame. You can do better, Jerry. I was expecting a stronger insult.
Actually, as a non-native English speaker, I'm improving a lot on
insults and badmouthing in this newsgroup.
 
FWIW, you could find out my degree online, if you'd bother to search for
it. The thesis is publicly available.
 
Christian
Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com>: Oct 26 08:12AM +1300

On 10/26/16 07:08 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> controller or an external box - with code in ROM that can't be corrupted
> by viruses, trojan horses, etc. It is also faster than typing up CPU
> time with pseudo-RAID.
 
In the 90s era Jerry World that was indeed the case.
 
> That's why no one serious about RAID depends on ZFS and the like. This
> includes not only big companies, but the U.S. government, military and
> other critical systems.
 
So they don't buy these:
 
https://www.oracle.com/storage/index.html
 
Or these:
 
https://nexenta.com/solutions
 
Or use this:
 
http://www.oracle.com/us/industries/public-sector/government-cloud/index.html
 
?
--
Ian
Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com>: Oct 26 08:19AM +1300

On 10/25/16 11:22 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
 
> Wrong again. ZFS is a FILE SYSTEM (which is what the FS means), not
> RAID. But you don't even know the difference there. It is only an
> emulation.
 
So I have a Redundant Array of Independent Disks configured as a stripe
of raidz2 vdevs, where is the emulation?
 
 
> No, you'll never accept you are wrong, and I'm not wasting my time
> trying to teach the pig to sing. Rick is more likely to give up on his
> proselytize than you are to admit you are wrong.
 
As expected, bluster and infantile insults.
 
Clueless fool it is then.
 
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Ian
scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal): Oct 25 07:43PM

>insults and badmouthing in this newsgroup.
 
>FWIW, you could find out my degree online, if you'd bother to search for
>it. The thesis is publicly available.
 
Und es ist sehr interessant, danke.
 
scott
Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com>: Oct 26 09:08AM +1300

On 10/26/16 08:12 AM, Ian Collins wrote:
 
> https://nexenta.com/solutions
 
> Or use this:
 
> http://www.oracle.com/us/industries/public-sector/government-cloud/index.html
 
I forgot this little science project:
 
http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1742-6596/664/4/042035/pdf
 
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Ian
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