Thursday, October 6, 2016

Digest for comp.lang.c++@googlegroups.com - 16 updates in 3 topics

David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>: Oct 06 10:21PM +0200

On 06/10/16 17:19, mark wrote:
 
> That's what I mean by GCC randomly enforcing constexpr restrictions.
> Some cases still work, others are broken. This is explicitly forbidden
> by the standard and GCC is moving towards more enforcement.
 
Can you give an example of where this does not work? Exact code, and
gcc version and target?
 
As far as I can tell, this sort of code is perfectly legal - gcc does
not get to "break" it, and it certainly should not be doing so "randomly".
 
It may be undefined behaviour to access anything using the
register_addr2 pointer unless you first convert it back to a "volatile
uint32_t *" pointer. Converting pointers back and forth from integers
is mostly implementation-defined behaviour, with little guaranteed
behaviour except that you can convert the pointer to a uintptr_t (if
that type exists), then back again to the original pointer type, and
have the same value as you started with.
Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com>: Oct 06 04:06PM -0700

If it is a C header file, why are you compiling it as C++? Not all C
code is valid C++ code.
 
 
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Mr Flibble <flibble@i42.co.uk>: Oct 06 05:49PM +0100

On 06/10/2016 17:42, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> be plausible. But, because they are not true, they fail under scrutiny.
 
> I reject evolution because it is a lie of the devil perpetrated against
> mankind to lead people into falseness.
 
It makes little difference if you consider evolution to be the work of
or a lie of the devil; either way you are using the devil as an excuse
to reject something that conflicts with your world-view which is the
height of ignorance so you are in no position to call atheists ignorant.
 
> 1 through 11 (the creation of man, through to the tower of Babel and the
> confusion of our languages by God, so that people groups would diverge and
> separate and spread over the whole Earth.
 
Believing Genesis is fact is worse than ignorance; it is pure stupidity.
 
[snip]
 
/Flibble
red floyd <no.spam@its.invalid>: Oct 06 09:52AM -0700

> On Wednesday, October 5, 2016 at 7:06:28 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
 
> Leigh, please don't swear here.
 
Fuck off.
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Oct 06 09:55AM -0700

On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 12:49:28 PM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
> > confusion of our languages by God, so that people groups would diverge and
> > separate and spread over the whole Earth.
 
> Believing Genesis is fact is worse than ignorance; it is pure stupidity.
 
This conclusion is based on your exhaustive study of Genesis, and the
teachings of Biblical scholars like those at Answers in Genesis who
include PhD scientists who look at the world around us, look at the
Biblical claims, and correlate exactly how they fit together in a real,
observable, repeatable, and easily understandable way?
 
If not ... then what are you basing it on?
 
-----
I was taught the same things you were, Leigh. And I believed them.
My motto was always: "Even if we don't have the answers today, one day
we will, and we will find they do not involve 'god'." (I used a lower-
case 'g' back then so as to not call Him God, and show Him any kind of
respect).
 
What I LEARNED, Leigh, is that I was wrong. The spirit of truth taught
me that, and despite my many arguments with Him, He was patient and
kept bringing me to places where I would learn something new, and read
something over here, and hear something over there, and have a thought
occur to me here, etc.
 
As a farmer working his crops, He invested time and effort into me,
and He yielded a harvest because what He planted in me grew and now I
do understand and I step forward with my voice, with my mind, with the
resources I possess, and I try to teach others.
 
-----
Remember that song lyric: "All we are saying ... is give peace a chance"?
Well, replace the words "we are" and "peace" with "I am" and "truth":
 
All I am saying ... is give truth a chance.
 
I promise you, it will appease your most inquisitive inquisitions. :-)
 
Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin
Mr Flibble <flibble@i42.co.uk>: Oct 06 05:59PM +0100

On 06/10/2016 17:55, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> include PhD scientists who look at the world around us, look at the
> Biblical claims, and correlate exactly how they fit together in a real,
> observable, repeatable, and easily understandable way?
 
Biblical scholars are not scientists; they are deluded fuckwits much
like yourself.
 
 
> If not ... then what are you basing it on?
 
Evidence. Facts. NOT the work of or lies of some imaginary "devil".
 
As for what else you wrote:
 
tl;dr.
 
[snip]
 
/Flibble
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Oct 06 10:07AM -0700

On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 12:59:34 PM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
> As for what else you wrote:
> tl;dr.
 
Isolation and confinement are tactics of the enemy. He tries to keep those
whom he currently occupies and influences from coming to a knowledge of the
truth. He does this by physically separating people from the source of
those espousing the truth of God (add people to killfiles or auto-delete
lists, stops talking to them in real life, turns them in at their job so
they get fired and are no longer an influence, etc.), and he also tries to
contain the conversation into an isolated box whereby he can exhibit more
control. He'll demand that responses only come in some form (short, one
sentence, can't use the words "Bible" or "Jesus," can only answer with yes
or no, so that the message God would have, His words in scripture which
are life, are not heard, thereby kept from the ears of the person, so that
the evil spirit can continue to dominate their mind and interests in this
fallen world).
 
-----
It's all a game of control, Leigh. You're playing into the enemy's hands
by being obedient to his constraints upon input to your mind, rather than
being obedient to an honest call of truth.
 
It's your choice. You're the one who has to live with the consequences
of that choice. Not me.
 
Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin
Mr Flibble <flibble@i42.co.uk>: Oct 06 06:09PM +0100

On 06/10/2016 18:07, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 12:59:34 PM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
>> As for what else you wrote:
>> tl;dr.
 
tl;dr.
 
[snip]
 
> It's your choice. You're the one who has to live with the consequences
> of that choice. Not me.
 
Yep it is my choice and I choose to add you to the killfile of this
computer too. See ya mate.
 
/Flibble
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com>: Oct 06 12:29PM -0500

On 10/5/2016 5:08 PM, Sjouke Burry wrote:
 
> at the site
> > http://www.zephyrsoftware.com/download/zdownld.html
 
> svgacc for 16bit and zsvga for 32 bit.
 
Thanks but this appears to be VGA library for DOS.
 
Lynn
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com>: Oct 06 12:36PM -0500

On 10/5/2016 9:04 PM, Malcolm McLean wrote:
> https://github.com/MalcolmMcLean/babyxrc
 
> Baby X
> https://github.com/MalcolmMcLean/babyx
 
Thanks ! I will look into it.
 
We are looking into adding SVG as a new shape library format for our homegrown diagram toolkit that we have been using since the 1980s.
https://www.winsim.com/media/refinery.png
 
Ideally, I would like to have SVG, PNG, BMP, JPEG, etc.
 
Sincerely,
Lynn McGuire
"Öö Tiib" <ootiib@hot.ee>: Oct 06 11:10AM -0700

On Thursday, 6 October 2016 19:17:55 UTC+3, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 12:08:48 PM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
> > As an atheist ... tl;dr
 
> How do atheists feel about ignorance?
 
I as atheist can answer that. Ignorance is the default state of mind.
We born ignorant and we will find out some things during our life.
With every new knowledge we will also have new caps of knowledge
but we will never know everything.
 
> When I was an atheist I was convinced I was right. And I was.
 
Sure, how else. You are omniscient. Regardless if atheist or
Christian. I am not convinced that I am right. I am convinced that
I *do* *not* *know*. So I look at potential risks what if.
 
* Is there risk to worship the superior beings in wrong way? Sure
there is. Looking at religions we have Christianity, Islam,
Hinduism, Buddhism and pile of various other religions. All have
different Gods that demand different things and ways to worship
Them. Worshiping potentially existing superior beings in offending
manner is risk to our existence.
 
* Is there risk that those superior beings do not exist? Sure there
is, there are no evidence about existence of any God on one hand
and every religious text is clearly in controversy with actual reality
and other religious texts on the other hand. Worshiping superior
beings that potentially do not exist is waste of resources. Hoping,
counting on and depending upon superior beings that potentially
do not exist is risk to our existence.
 
* Is there risk that superior beings do not care about us? Sure there
is. What superior being would let bloodthirsty extremists to do evil
things "in His will"? What superior being would let total nutjobs or
assholes to preach "in His name"? Only such who does not care
about that at all. It is both dangerous to pester and to count on
such beings that do not care.
 
* Is there risk that some superior being will torture me in hell all
eternity? Sounds like nonsense. I am weak and fallible but did no
crimes that deserve such punishments.
 
* Is there risk that I lose opportunity to reach Paradise full of
sensual pleasures with "big eyes", "full grown", "swelling" or
"pears-shaped" breasts, "appetizing vaginas" and "penises that
never soften"? Sounds similar scam and fraud like in the letters
where someone wants to share a treasure with me for small service
or where I won in lottery or where they want to sell me something
"ultra cheaply".

However telling that to you is waste of time since you are "always
right" and never listen to others.
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Oct 06 11:53AM -0700

On Thursday, October 6, 2016 at 2:13:47 PM UTC-4, Öö Tiib wrote:
 
> Sure, how else. You are omniscient. Regardless if atheist or
> Christian. I am not convinced that I am right. I am convinced that
> I *do* *not* *know*. So I look at potential risks what if.
 
I was sure I was right. My worldly viewpoint back then was of the form,
"We may not know today, but someday man will figure it out. We will make
our own way eventually, and we don't need god to do it."
 
My view allowed for all people everywhere to believe as they wanted, so
long as they weren't hurting other people, and eventually man himself
would figure out the answers to all questions we have.
 
It was an all-inclusive viewpoint into every facet of existence ... except
that it rejected God. I later learned why that viewpoint was given to me,
and why so many other people still have it (in perhaps some slightly
varying forms).
 
> However telling that to you is waste of time since you are "always
> right" and never listen to others.
 
It is not me I point to as being right. I point you to Jesus Christ. He
said:
 
http://biblehub.com/kjv/john/14-6.htm
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no
man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
 
Now that's a claim. It's either true or false. I have found in reading
the Bible that it is true. I have found that it is not only true, but
that it is completely true with truth so true that it shines out and
completely illuminates the darkness of ALL OTHER RELIGIONS.
 
It's why I occupy my time writing these things. I have found the truth
in Jesus Christ. I testify to the same. I testify to the light. I
testify to His gift of salvation for ALL who put their faith in Him. He
has no race barriers, no economic barriers, no social status barriers,
no barriers at all. He receives ALL who come to Him world-wide.
 
He teaches us that we are incapable of solving our problems on our own
because of sin, and that we need a Savior. He teaches that He is that
Savior, and He demonstrates the same by what He did at the cross.
 
I have looked at the evidence, and I stand firmly upon my faith and
proclaim in a loud steady voice for ALL to hear:
 
Jesus Christ is THE way, THE truth, and THE life. There is no
other way to get into Heaven. There is no other way to cleanse
yourself or make yourself right with God. It is ONLY Him, and
it is ALL Him.
 
What He has taught me I share with you. If you think you've found in
me some personal possession of infinite knowledge, or a claimed personal
possession of infinite knowledge, you are mistaken. I can only point you
to Him and His teachings, and I convey them as best I'm able, and where I
do not possess knowledge of every intricate detail of the Bible, I can
state categorically that as I have investigated things about the Bible,
EVERY LAST ONE of them has proven out.
 
It's all there for you, and every one else, to study and discover for
yourself. YOU DO NOT NEED ME to teach you any of it. All you have to do
is set your sights on the truth, and then pursue it with an honest effort.
GOD HIMSELF does the rest. Not me. And not you.
 
It is ALL God.
 
Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com>: Oct 06 04:14PM -0500

On 10/5/2016 4:52 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
 
> I am using Visual Studio 2015 on Windows 7.
 
> Thanks,
> Lynn
 
As usual, I failed to mention that I did find a StackOverflow posting addressing this topic, "Render a vector graphic (.svg) in C++":
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4176637/render-a-vector-graphic-svg-in-c
 
Thanks,
Lynn
Christian Gollwitzer <auriocus@gmx.de>: Oct 06 11:24PM +0200

Am 06.10.16 um 19:36 schrieb Lynn McGuire:
 
>> Baby X
>> https://github.com/MalcolmMcLean/babyx
 
> Thanks ! I will look into it.
 
Wow, Nano SVG is very impressive. example2.c is an SVG to PNG converter,
the PNG writer is 500 LOC and the whole Nano SVG lib is <5kLOC.
 
Thanks for pointing there!
 
Christian
"Öö Tiib" <ootiib@hot.ee>: Oct 06 03:20PM -0700

On Thursday, 6 October 2016 21:53:59 UTC+3, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
 
> I was sure I was right. My worldly viewpoint back then was of the form,
> "We may not know today, but someday man will figure it out. We will make
> our own way eventually, and we don't need god to do it."
 
And now you are still as sure being "right". What did change is that now
you "rightness" additionally involves God.
 
> It was an all-inclusive viewpoint into every facet of existence ... except
> that it rejected God.
 
Yes there you advanced, you now know still everything about everything
plus you now know God too.
 
 
> > However telling that to you is waste of time since you are "always
> > right" and never listen to others.
 
> It is not me I point to as being right.
 
See, you snipped all where I told about humankind or Gods. There I did
not address you alone. That was uninteresting to you since you always
think and talk about yourself.

I now snip long sad story how you are illuminated with knowledge
of truth. We have read about it too lot already.
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Oct 05 08:26PM -0700

Listen to the lyrics in this song:
 
"[Lord] Be My Passion"
by the Barnett Trio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyZmIMsxjEs
 
It captures the born again nature:
 
"Be my passion
Burn within me
Be my everything
Lord consume me
Ignite a flame in my soul
That I cannot control
So that others may see
A difference in me
Lord, be my passion."
 
Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin
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