| "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Oct 09 05:48PM -0700 Richard Damon wrote: > stop using all software that claims any significant rights via > its copyright. This also includes the GPL, as that put restrictions > on the software based on copyright law. There is inertia in getting there. The efforts I speak of do not currently exist. Someone has to create them. It's why I started the Liberty Software Foundation. I'm in pursuit of a full hardware and software stack, motherboard, CPU, memory, OS, apps, and packaging. It's a Public Domain offering given to God (as by the talents He first gave, given back to Him instead of money), and unto man so that others can take our work and improve upon it. I explain this philosophy and goal in great detail in this video, beginning after 30 minutes to the end of the content: http://www.visual-freepro.org/videos/2012_12_08__01_vvmmc__and_vfrps_relationship_to_christianity.ogv If you can't view the video, use VLC (http://www.videolan.org). Best regards, Rick C. Hodgin |
| "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid>: Oct 09 05:51PM -0700 On 10/9/2016 1:07 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote: > I feed my family and my nine employees families with our software sales > of over a million dollars per year. We do not do this for free. And my > investors demand a profit. Good for you. I wish you all the luck in the world, and more money in the future. Now, Rick wants God to be some sort of hardcore communist hive mind? |
| "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Oct 09 06:07PM -0700 Lynn McGuire wrote: > Wow, that is a twisted reality. You are falsely teaching that profit > is bad. Profit isn't bad. A purposed pursuit of profit without labor is bad. And it's something different if you're handed wealth. Such unexpected gifts are to be uses to help God's people, to employ, gift, etc. > I feed my family and my nine employees families with our > software sales of over a million dollars per year. We do not do > this for free. There's nothing wrong with being paid for labor or service. By improving your software and offering maintenance releases, while selling new copies with the enhancements ... that's what we're supposed to do. It's ongoing labor applied to the return. The things I'm talking about are continuing to sell a product from a prior labor effort, without new labor being added to improve or fix the product, once the cost of investment is recovered. That's an active pursuit of profit beyond labor, and that's at issue. The cost of labor can also include total expenses beyond labor which are part of the cost of production. > And my investors demand a profit. This is where it can turn into something bad (if it enters into levels beyond usury, such as above savings account interest rates). It then becomes a way to retrieve new money without new labor. Best regards, Rick C. Hodgin |
| "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid>: Oct 09 06:12PM -0700 On 10/9/2016 6:07 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > Lynn McGuire wrote: [...] > This is where it can turn into something bad (if it enters into levels > beyond usury, such as above savings account interest rates). It > then becomes a way to retrieve new money without new labor. Selling copies makes God angry? You need to get a grip on you insanity man! Is God a communist or not? A hive mind perhaps? |
| "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Oct 09 06:43PM -0700 On Sunday, October 9, 2016 at 9:12:57 PM UTC-4, Chris M. Thomasson wrote: > > beyond usury, such as above savings account interest rates). It > > then becomes a way to retrieve new money without new labor. > Selling copies makes God angry? Selling copies beyond the cost of labor places an active pursuit on increasing money. It places an emphasis on money, and the Bible records that the love of money is the root of all evil: http://biblehub.com/kjv/1_timothy/6-10.htm 10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. Money has no saving power. It becomes a trap that alters one's focus. People then pursue efforts to keep their money, or get more money, rather than what's important like helping living human souls in need. It's the placing a focus on obtaining new money without new labor being also applied to the effort that's the issue. > Is God a communist or not? A hive mind perhaps? See, this is how Satan has taught you in this world. You assume that communism is the baseline, and that if God were to then employ any kind of system which is like communism, then God must be a lunatic. Has it ever occurred to you that God does have a system like communism, and that because God has a system that is like communism, Satan here on the Earth has introduced communism, and destroyed it, and soiled it, and made it look heinous, so that he can try to make God's system look like something undesirable? Well, that's exactly what's happened. In Heaven when God gives angels charge to do some task, they don't then go to the bank to arrange financing. They don't contact the tree growers and sawmills to make sure they'll have enough lumber to complete their job. God has told them what to do, and God will give them what they need to complete their task to the fullest and most beautiful extent. The Lord's Prayer includes the portions: http://biblehub.com/kjv/matthew/6.htm 10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. 12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And: 11 Give us this day our daily bread. 13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen. God desires to be our all-in-all. He desires to produce for us such that we only look to Him. When He rescued His people out of Egypt, they lived in the desert 40 years. Their clothes didn't wear out. They were given manna from Heaven six days a week, collecting only enough for the next day, except on Friday when they collected enough for both Friday and also Saturday. If they tried to hoard the manna beyond those days, it became rancid and wormy and stank. God taught His people to rely upon Him. And it's the way it's supposed to be today. God's system is one of trust in Him, such that when we are focused upon Him as the center of our lives, and we are doing this collectively as a people, then He is providing all things here upon the land for us to do all of the things He has for us to do, and those things we are interested in pursuing. It is the proper system which looks to God to provide, and God provides, as the people work together for the goals God gives them, and the pursuits of their heart (in right ways, and not selfish / sinful ways). And it is the eternal model seen in Heaven. It is only Satan who, because he knows this is God's eternal model, sought a way to make it look like a bad idea here on Earth by using corrupt men lost in sin to carry out his evil within the effort of communism, so that it would seem undesirable to men, and keep them from coming to God in this way, in this effort. It's one more tool Satan uses to keep people who only give God a causal glance from coming to the truth of Jesus Christ. But, if you seek the truth with a real effort, then you will see past Satan's lies and into God and God's truth, and that truth will make you free (from Satan's lies, and ultimately from the sentence of death in Hell by receiving salvation from Jesus Christ as you see Him as God Almighty the Creator of the universe, and the One who desires with greatest desire to be with us in eternity). Best regards, Rick C. Hodgin |
| "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid>: Oct 09 06:46PM -0700 On 10/9/2016 6:43 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > Selling copies beyond the cost of labor places an active pursuit on > increasing money. It places an emphasis on money, and the Bible records > that the love of money is the root of all evil: [...] My God! Rick thinks God is a communist hive mind! BTW, you moron, I think I am going sell an infinite amount of copies... Therefore, I should not go to hell after I sell my first half a million? Wow. |
| "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Oct 09 06:52PM -0700 On Sunday, October 9, 2016 at 9:46:30 PM UTC-4, Chris M. Thomasson wrote: > BTW, you moron, I think I am going sell an infinite amount of copies... > Therefore, I should not go to hell after I sell my first half a million? > Wow. Chris, if you ask God to open your eyes to the truth, and pursue that end with a real effort, He will open your eyes to the truth and teach you the truth so that you too can be saved. Best regards, Rick C. Hodgin |
| "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid>: Oct 09 06:53PM -0700 On 10/9/2016 6:52 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > Chris, if you ask God to open your eyes to the truth, and pursue that end > with a real effort, He will open your eyes to the truth and teach you the > truth so that you too can be saved. moron. |
| Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com>: Oct 09 10:00PM -0500 On 10/9/2016 8:07 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > then becomes a way to retrieve new money without new labor. > Best regards, > Rick C. Hodgin This is a bunch of buzzwords and gobblygook. You are talking about stealing the fruit of my labors. Lynn |
| Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net>: Oct 09 11:31PM -0400 On 10/9/2016 11:00 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote: > This is a bunch of buzzwords and gobblygook. You are talking about > stealing the fruit of my labors. > Lynn What I would like to know is if money is so bad, why does the Catholic Church have more money invested in property in the world than any other organization? (at least that was true several years ago). They should be relying on people opening their homes to hold Mass. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry Stuckle jstucklex@attglobal.net ================== |
| "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Oct 10 03:23AM -0700 Lynn McGuire wrote: > This is a bunch of buzzwords and gobblygook. You are talking > about stealing the fruit of my labors. God wants us to rely upon Him for the things we need, not our money, not our strength, not our abilities. Money is uncertain. Strength fades. Abilities diminish, and we rarely have all we need alone anyway. But God never changes. He is always sufficient, even abundant beyond need. God cursed the ground when Adam sinned so that Adam wouldn't be idle and therefore be overrun completely by Satan. By keeping busy and active, man feels a sense of accomplishment, and there's an automatic focus on doing the things God established for us. He didn't give us individually all of the skills required to do all we need in this world continually. We need each other, and that's by design. God wants us working together, with our focus on Him and helping one another, and not on the things of this world. He's put an explicit focus on people needing people, so our concerns are on the living (Him first, then each other), and not on dead things (money, possessions). Labor continually until we die, always with our focus on Him and people, such that He then steps into our lives actively and meets all our needs. Sin taints that call, by the way. It shifts people's focus readily so they won't see value in serving God, but will see value in amassing stuff. But for all who seek the truth, the world will be overcome by us putting our faith in Jesus Christ such that the born again spirit nature asserts itself into power and change, such that we are made free, and serve God rightly, with His purposes forefront, and paramount. God first. People second. All other concerns after. When we place things in that order, God provides all we need, and steers our lives from within by His Holy Spirit. Best regards, Rick C. Hodgin |
| red floyd <no.spam@its.invalid>: Oct 10 10:23AM -0700 > Brian > Ebenezer Enterprises - Sheep may safely graze. > http://webEbenezer.net Fuck off with your religious shit. |
| Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com>: Oct 10 06:49PM +0100 > What I would like to know is if money is so bad, why does the Catholic > Church have more money invested in property in the world than any > other organization? An interesting question, the asking of which the Catholic church declared to be heresy in 1323. |
| "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Oct 10 11:04AM -0700 On Sunday, October 9, 2016 at 11:32:03 PM UTC-4, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > Church have more money invested in property in the world than any other > organization? (at least that was true several years ago). They should > be relying on people opening their homes to hold Mass. The answer to that question is self-evident. Jesus Christ reaches out to people individually, personally, not through a church, not through a priest, and not through Mary. He, Jesus Christ, and He alone, stands at the door of YOU and YOUR SOUL and knocks. It is personal between each of us and Him, and it's always a one-on-one relationship. It's not about an organization, a pastor, a spouse, a priest, a fellow church-member, but it is between the person and Jesus Christ without intervention. There are so many harmful organizations which operate under the name or banner of "Christianity" or of being a "Christian." The only way to find the truth in this world is to seek the truth, and in so doing you are known to God to be seeking after the truth, and He Himself steps into your life in an active way and guides you to it, which is to say guides you to His Son. For each of us it is personal. It does not involve other people, though the Lord may use other people in His drawing of you personally to His Son. But it is never about me, or a anyone in the church, no born again Christian, no man upon this Earth, but only about Him, though by His grace and mercy, He chose to ask us to go out into the world and be His voice, be His hands, be His in this world. But none of us could do it without the change He first made within us, for it is His Holy Spirit within that gives any of us the strength to go on teaching about Him in the face of so much hatred coming back our way. This world is not a Christian's home. The people here are important, and they are more important than other things for they are living souls made in the image and likeness of God. Until a person can say honestly that they know that, they have never met the Lord Jesus Christ, and until they refocus their lives to reach out to those lost people here upon this Earth, desiring to save their eternal souls from judgment, they are not walking after the Lord nor doing His work here upon this Earth. Jesus Christ came to save people. That mission has not changed. People are of paramount importance to Him, and they are to be redeemed through Him unto His Kingdom, unto truth, and in so doing live forever with Him. ----- All of your hateful posts, Jerry, all of your calling people names ... you do not know the Lord Jesus Christ. You are placing up a banner of hate before you in all you do. You are dividing, not uniting. You have the spirit of division within you, not unification. And you have not been willing to hear rebukes as to your character or professed Christianity. You are a lost soul, Jerry, giving a bad witness for Jesus Christ, and your position is one to be fearful of for those who choose to teach (which is what you are doing in your profession, and by your actions) shall receive the greater condemnation. You'd better wake up because you are not promised tomorrow. Best regards, Rick C. Hodgin |
| "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid>: Oct 10 11:56AM -0700 On 10/10/2016 3:23 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: >> about stealing the fruit of my labors. > God wants us to rely upon Him for the things we need, not our money, > not our strength, not our abilities. [...] If you are hungry, how long does it take for God to give you food before you starve to death? And no Rick, I am not going to turn into a homeless beggar, or live in poverty, just to make God happy. I think you are way off in the deep end here Rick. You are making God sound like total whack job. Good job. moron. |
| "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Oct 10 12:05PM -0700 On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 2:56:13 PM UTC-4, Chris M. Thomasson wrote: > [...] > If you are hungry, how long does it take for God to give you food before > you starve to death? In this world today, you work. You cast your net into the sea and take the coin from the mouth of the first fish you catch, a metaphor for getting a job and being content with what the Lord gives you. > And no Rick, I am not going to turn into a homeless beggar, or live in > poverty, just to make God happy. Here's what Jesus says: http://biblehub.com/kjv/matthew/16-25.htm 25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. Save your life unto your personal wants, and you lose it in eternity as you are in rebellion against God. Lose your life unto Him and His personal wants, and you save it unto eternity. And losing your life to Him doesn't mean you don't continue doing the things you have some personal interests in. It just means you do them now for the Lord rather than for your own self. You acknowledge Him in the things you do, as I am doing in my hardware and software efforts. > I think you are way off in the deep end here Rick. You are making God > sound like total whack job. Good job. The Bible says that the message of the cross, and the things related to the teachings of the Bible, will be total foolishness to those who are perishing. It is that way because it requires the born again nature to be able to receive, because God is spirit and the things of God are spiritually discerned. Your skin can't see even though light hits it. In order to see you need an eye. Your mind can't understand the things of God even though I speak them to you. In order to understand the things of God you need the spirit. Best regards, Rick C. Hodgin |
| "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid>: Oct 10 12:09PM -0700 On 10/10/2016 12:05 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > In this world today, you work. You cast your net into the sea and take > the coin from the mouth of the first fish you catch, a metaphor for > getting a job and being content with what the Lord gives you. Writing software is work, damn it. Selling many copies is not a sin, damn it! What the heck is wrong with you man?! ;^o |
| Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com>: Oct 10 09:12PM +0200 On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 12:05:28 -0700 (PDT) > http://biblehub.com/kjv/matthew/16-25.htm > 25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever > will lose his life for my sake shall find it. In order to understand the things of God you > need the spirit. I cannot find cite but famous Golden Bough says that mankind traded existence for saving of souls. We choose to live by refusing savior and eternal life. -- press any key to continue or any other to quit |
| "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Oct 10 12:17PM -0700 On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 3:13:06 PM UTC-4, Melzzzzz wrote: > I cannot find cite but famous Golden Bough says that mankind > traded existence for saving of souls. We choose to live by refusing > savior and eternal life. There are many false doctrines and teachings in the world. The truth resides in one place. The truth speaks with one voice which stands up continually at all time against all scrutiny. That is found in the Bible alone, for it was breathed through men's pens by God's Holy Spirit. It is His word given to us so we won't be fooled by the enemy. We must pursue truth in learning it, and that requires a significant effort. Best regards, Rick C. Hodgin |
| "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Oct 10 12:23PM -0700 On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 3:09:47 PM UTC-4, Chris M. Thomasson wrote: > Writing software is work, damn it. Selling many copies is not a sin, > damn it! What the heck is wrong with you man?! > ;^o If you look back over these posts, at no point have I said don't sell software. What I have said is don't sell beyond the cost of the labor investment. The love of money is the root of all evil. Money itself is not evil, just like heroine itself is not evil. But having it in abundance in continuous close proximity, Satan uses the temptation it provides to entice people unto sin. How many are strong enough to continually avoid the sinful side of the temptations associated with it? Not many. And if it's not money that will take you down, there's something. The flesh is weak, which is why we need to be born again of the spirit. Satan is no slouch. He knows how to defeat you. He's studied you since you were young, and he has in all people's case. It's why we need Jesus Christ, so that we can overcome in Him because He can see the traps the vicious enemy Satan places before us, and He can protect us from them. http://biblehub.com/kjv/proverbs/30.htm 7 Two things have I required of thee; deny me them not before I die: 8 Remove far from me vanity and lies: give me neither poverty nor riches; feed me with food convenient for me: 9 Lest I be full, and deny thee, and say, Who is the LORD? or lest I be poor, and steal, and take the name of my God in vain. It is of God's wisdom that He keeps us in labor for our needs. It is Satan's plan of foolishness that we have soft lives of non-want, for there is his playground of enticing sin for us to traipse through at our leisure. Best regards, Rick C. Hodgin |
| Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com>: Oct 10 09:28PM +0200 On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 12:17:45 -0700 (PDT) > Spirit. It is His word given to us so we won't be fooled by the > enemy. We must pursue truth in learning it, and that requires a > significant effort. You have to admit that mankind refused teaching of Christ. -- press any key to continue or any other to quit |
| "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Oct 10 12:31PM -0700 On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 3:29:08 PM UTC-4, Melzzzzz wrote: > > enemy. We must pursue truth in learning it, and that requires a > > significant effort. > You have to admit that mankind refused teaching of Christ. World-wide. That doesn't remove His teachings as correct, His plan for man, or what we should be in pursuit of actively. All born again Christians know this. Everybody else is either in rebellion destined to perish in their sin, or will come to believe and be saved at some future date. I include this in my prayers each day: Lord, I say a special prayer for all those who will come to believe in Your name, and for all of my brothers and sisters in Christ around the world. Best regards, Rick C. Hodgin |
| "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid>: Oct 10 12:32PM -0700 On 10/10/2016 12:23 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > If you look back over these posts, at no point have I said don't sell > software. What I have said is don't sell beyond the cost of the labor > investment. You think the cost of labor is the only expense? lol. Man, you are out of your mind. It is not a sin to make a profit. Its not a sin to make a shi% load of money. God is not a communist hive mind. damn it! [...] |
| Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com>: Oct 10 02:37PM -0500 On 10/10/2016 1:56 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote: > And no Rick, I am not going to turn into a homeless beggar, or live in poverty, just to make God happy. > I think you are way off in the deep end here Rick. You are making God sound like total whack job. Good job. > moron. I am a Christian. Rick is what the Bible calls a false teacher. He reads rules and messages into Bible sayings where there is none. Lynn |
| "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Oct 10 12:38PM -0700 On Monday, October 10, 2016 at 3:32:46 PM UTC-4, Chris M. Thomasson wrote: > > investment. > You think the cost of labor is the only expense? lol. Man, you are out > of your mind. The cost of labor includes fixed costs associated with production, but it is the motion of man creating and doing that it refers to (ongoing work). > It is not a sin to make a profit. Its not a sin to make a > .. load of money. God is not a communist hive mind. He says it twice: http://biblehub.com/kjv/matthew/19.htm 23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. 24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. There's a famous quote about this passage. A man lay dying and some came and asked him what he needed before he died? He replied: "A very small camel and a very large needle." Best regards, Rick C. Hodgin |
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