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seeplus <gizmomaker@bigpond.com>: Sep 26 06:08PM -0700

On Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:47:15 PM UTC+10, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> demonstration of His Love for us, that while we were yet sinners, He
> died to save us when He would've been justified in letting all of us
> die due to our sin nature.
 
Listen, if you are the Master of the Universe, how would being
stuck on a cross for a day be a big deal?
 
Just grow new arms and legs and walk it off.
Get over it.
 
Give me a break, that wouldn't even atone for even
one of my minor sins.
 
>>on the day the change takes place, you will experience a new world that
>>you did not even dream existed. Your eternal eyes will be opened, and
>>you'll be absolutely and completely floored.
 
And hopefully off to a psychiatrist .. and maybe a dietician.
woodbrian77@gmail.com: Sep 26 10:11PM -0700

On Friday, September 26, 2014 8:09:13 PM UTC-5, seeplus wrote:
> > die due to our sin nature.
 
> Listen, if you are the Master of the Universe, how would being
> stuck on a cross for a day be a big deal?
 
It's a big deal because of who He is and what He
allowed to happen to Him. He could have
overwhelmed those who rose up against Him. He chose
to die for us. It wasn't an easy choice for Him,
but He placed our well-being before His own.

> Get over it.
 
> Give me a break, that wouldn't even atone for even
> one of my minor sins.
 
'And any man from the house of Israel, or from the aliens who sojourn
among them, who eats any blood, I will set My face against that person
who eats blood and will cut him off from among his people. For the
life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you on the
altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood by reason
of the life that makes atonement.' Therefore I said to the sons of
Israel, 'No person among you may eat blood, nor may any alien who
sojourns among you eat blood.' So when any man from the sons of
Israel, or from the aliens who sojourn among them, in hunting catches
a beast or a bird which may be eaten, he shall pour out its blood and
cover it with earth. Leviticus 17:10-13
 
Yeshua is the Lamb of G-d. His blood was shed.
Also notice how Moses echoes what he has been told.
G-d told him something and he relayed it to the
Israelites.
 
Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises
http://webEbenezer.net
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Sep 27 04:03AM -0700

It was because He did it as a man. He who exists
outside of time, is over all things, humbled Himself
and put on a physical body. He was born in the
natural way (begotten), and came to live and teach
as one of us, and in so doing, being 100% man, He
was able to legally, in God's sight, under God's Law,
sacrifice Himself to pay for our sins. And whereas
the Jews already had been given the sacrifice, and
even daily sacrifice, because Jesus was both 100%
man, and 100% God, His sacrifice was not a daily
sacrifice, but is an eternal sacrifice. A one-time
atoning death for all.
 
Our Almighty God, who created the entire universe,
who calls the stars each by name, came here to
save us.
 
Love has no greater example, that while we were
yet sinners (being mean and hateful even to Jesus,
all of us), that He would come here and go through
all He did during His last few days on Earth, and
to endure the far worse crushing as The Father
poured out all of His wrath and anger for us upon
His only begotten Son, to save us from going there.
 
It demonstrates how much He loves us, and how
much He hates sin.
 
We also remember the example God gave us to
demonstrate conclusively the only destructive
nature of sin. God sent a flood to destroy all
the Earth, starting over with Noah, his three
sons, and their wives. Noah was chosen by God
as a faithful believer, and he did all God commanded,
even under scorn and ridicule for 100 years. Being
a pteacher, he and his sons, and their wives, trusted
God, and labored 100 years to build the ark.
 
But even when God started over with a preacher,
and his devout family, look at what sin has brought.
Men everywherr fighting eaxh other, killing each
other. Hate, war, disease, famine.
 
Sin is totally and completely evil. And sin was upon
the whole Earth, in all people. Unholy, and deserving
eternal damnation by God's own Law.
 
Yet Jesus came here to be born as one of us, to
live among us, to "step down" from His Heavenly,
eternal throne, and to sacrifice His own body for
you.
 
Jesus still bears the marks, even after His resurrection.
He restored His battered, broken, torn body, except
He kept the nail holes, and where the guard pierced
His side.
 
The nature of God... Eternal. King. Sovereign. The
Almighty. For us, He stepped down to live as we
live, to eat, drink, go to the toilet, sleep, walk among
the sick, the broken, the liars, the thieves, for 33
years before sacrificing His own body for us. To enter
into the place of punishment and have the due penalty
of every sin, of every man He saves, poured out upon
Himself instead of us... Just amazing.
 
Jesus is Love. He is the love of God manifest in the
flesh, to demonstrate His love by deed, for us. And
His plan also puts away all evil forever, so that what
remains is a system that is eternal, no hunger, no
thirst, no pain, no suffering, but only the fullest
richness of God's greatness given to us.
 
We are taught that the believers will be married to
Jesus in Heaven. And as on Earth when two marry,
they become one and share all equally. All Jesus
has will be ours, co-heirs in all.
 
It's beyond imagination beautiful what He did for
us, and what our future holds.
 
Satan, and every demon, and everyone embracing
sin in their life, are condemned. They will never
enter into Heaven, and will only know unending
torment, the price of sin, the only way to keep
powerful eternal beings who are unwilling to
operate within the boundaries of design, from then
doing damage to that creation. And because of
their great anger, they are lashing out in rage and
hate trying to cause as much damage and destruction
as possible, both here upon the Earth, but their
primary goal is to do eternal damage, to lead men
to sin, to unrepentant sin, which leads to damnation.
 
Jesus made a way out of every sickness, every peril,
everything imaginable which can befall us, and it
begins and ends with faith in Him, that even if we
die here upon the Earth, yet will we rise after death
to then be with Jesus, in Heaven, forever.
 
That is why He came (John 3:16), to save that which
was lost. He came to save all who will hear the truth,
who will believe and be saved. He came here for no
one else because sin is the enemy. And the sin nature
of an eternal being, which all of us are, is only wholly
destructive, and must be put away.
 
God is love. Sin is hate. God is life. Sin is disease.
God is light. Sin is darkness (the absence of light).
 
God got it right with everything He's done. He looks
at things from eternal perspective, yet He cares for
us as well. Individually. One on one.
 
Jesus is a friend, closer than a brother, One who
never leaves us, nor forsakes us. He is our all in
all, our desire of desires, and everything that is
good, right, true, loving, caring, helping, pure,
undefiled, in this world.
 
In short: He is our hope, and everything we aspire
to be. And He came here, to our wotld, and lived
as one of us, to save us, and lead us as we face
an enemy who is only leading us to destruction.
 
He is love, in the flesh, for us.
 
Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Sep 27 09:28AM -0700

I came across this today. It is describing the New Jerusalem coming
down from Heaven for all those who are saved by the blood of Jesus'
death on the cross, and the restoration of all people who will hear
the truth, the original intent and purpose of God revealed in the
vision to John the Apostle, recorded in Revelation for us:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvNR5i4Keg8
 
Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin
Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk>: Sep 27 05:34PM +0100

On 27/09/2014 17:28, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> the truth, the original intent and purpose of God revealed in the
> vision to John the Apostle, recorded in Revelation for us:
 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvNR5i4Keg8
 
Evolution is proof that your god doesn't exist mate.
 
/Flibble
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Sep 27 12:24PM -0700

I also found this video, which shows what will happen in the end-most
times, and after the judgement:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO8t2L9TcAU
 
Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin
Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk>: Sep 27 08:31PM +0100

On 27/09/2014 20:24, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> I also found this video, which shows what will happen in the end-most
> times, and after the judgement:
 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO8t2L9TcAU
 
You don't fucking give up do you mate?
 
/Flibble
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Sep 27 01:25PM -0700

On Saturday, September 27, 2014 3:31:22 PM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
> > times, and after the judgement:
 
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO8t2L9TcAU
 
> You don't give up do you mate?
 
One day you will understand why that is.
 
Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin
Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk>: Sep 27 10:03PM +0100

On 27/09/2014 21:25, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
 
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO8t2L9TcAU
 
>> You don't give up do you mate?
 
> One day you will understand why that is.
 
I understand that you are deluded mate.
 
/Flibble
Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk>: Sep 27 10:05PM +0100

On 27/09/2014 21:25, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
 
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO8t2L9TcAU
 
>> You don't give up do you mate?
 
> One day you will understand why that is.
 
If you are going to quote someone then don't fucking edit the quote; it
is a) not polite and b) makes you look like a prick.
 
/Flibble
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Sep 27 02:41PM -0700

On Saturday, September 27, 2014 5:05:30 PM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
> /Flibble
 
Jesus will save you too, Mr. Flibble. Ask Him. He loves you with
a real, eternal love. He asks you to come unto Him that He may
share with you all that is His. All He asks is that you receive
it in turn, from Him, as He is.
 
Will you receive His free gift of eternal life in paradise?
 
Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin
"Öö Tiib" <ootiib@hot.ee>: Sep 27 02:54PM -0700

On Saturday, 27 September 2014 14:04:14 UTC+3, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> It was because He did it as a man. He who exists
> outside of time, is over all things, humbled Himself
> and put on a physical body.
 
Ok, but you say that It did it to itself willfully. Like some
man who decides to live a day without sight can blindfold
itself for that day. Should we consider such a deed as
something special? As something eternally remarkable?
 
> Our Almighty God, who created the entire universe,
> who calls the stars each by name, came here to
> save us.
 
It nowhere mentions universe. The sick stuff that the
book describes is mostly not love but misdoings of some
Jews I can't care less about. Failed message.
 
Nothing is like it should be if anything the book describes
is true. That gives us full reasons to trust that everything
described in Bible has been made up by people who did not
even have idea how the world around us works. No slightest
evidence of superior knowledge, Failed mission.
 
The people who worship the God of that book, the Jews,
Christians and Muslims have all proven to be terrible,
most bloodthirsty lot with past 2000 years of our history.
Worthless followers. Failed teachings.
 
Failures do not matter, I can still love a loser. However,
you suggest to love It or else It will torture us forever?
That is totally out of question if to put like that. I can
no way love anything that threatens me. Can you? What you
got there is story about interesting but disgusting
monster. How can you love it?
 
Btw, why It did breed us from apes? Was it because apes
are so idiotic? I would anytime prefer bears or even cats
to apes.
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Sep 27 03:11PM -0700

On Saturday, September 27, 2014 5:54:50 PM UTC-4, Öö Tiib wrote:
> > who calls the stars each by name, came here to
> > save us.
 
> It nowhere mentions universe.
 
http://biblehub.com/kjv/genesis/1.htm
 
"1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
"16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to
rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he
made the stars also."
 
> Nothing is like it should be if anything the book describes
> is true.
 
Nothing here upon this Earth is like it should be ... because of sin.
 
> described in Bible has been made up by people who did not
> even have idea how the world around us works. No slightest
> evidence of superior knowledge, Failed mission.
 
It is sin that blinds people to the truth. They cannot see what is
before them because they have no eyes to see it, and they would not
receive eyes even if they were offered freely to them.
 
Such is the nature of sin. And it is why God is putting it away in
the fires of Hell forever. Sin only destroys unto Death. It does
no other thing.
 
> no way love anything that threatens me. Can you? What you
> got there is story about interesting but disgusting
> monster. How can you love it?
 
You are unable to see God as He is because of sin. You can only see
Him through your carnal (flesh and blood) eyes and human mind. You
are unable to understand anything that relates to the spirit, because
you do not have eyes to see that, nor the born again nature to
understand it.
 
It will always be like that until you are willing to humble yourself
and hear the truth (regardless of where that truth takes you, ahead,
left, right, behind you). Until that day God will only appear to
you, and everyone else who is perishing, to be a monster.
 
> Btw, why It did breed us from apes? Was it because apes
> are so idiotic? I would anytime prefer bears or even cats
> to apes.
 
Evolution does not exist. We were created. All of the animals were
created. Adam gave them names before the Fall of man. They were made
beautiful and wonderful, and they all lived together with us without
death or fighting. But now we live in a fractured creation, the result
of sin entering in. Because of sin everything has been lost. And that
is where the tremendous gift of God is made visible, is that within
this total loss, God Himself steps out of His eternal Kingdom, to reach
down, stretch out His arms, and save us in eternity.
 
There is no greater gift. I pray you come to understand this.
 
BTW, if you want to understand it know this: Faith comes by hearing,
and hearing by the word of God. If you begin to read the Bible, or
listen to the audio Bible and read along, you will find that it's not
like other books. The words contained therein are God's words, and
they are spirit, and they are life. They bring with them the spirit
nature of power and dominion.
 
There's an expression I've heard among Christians:
(1) The Bible will keep you from sin, or
(2) Sin will keep you from the Bible.
 
God is right there with you right now. Ask Him to come into your
heart, to enter into your life, to set the things right that need
to be set right, to restore that which the enemy has stolen. He
is more than willing to do this. It's why He came ... to save YOU
personally. He would've done it if you were the ONLY one who
could be saved.
 
Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin
Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid>: Sep 27 10:08PM +0100

On 26/09/2014 19:51, Robert Hutchings wrote:
> As I become more proficient in C++, I often wish for a peer review.
> Unfortunately, my current employer does NOT "do" code reviews (!).
 
Before you post anything - make sure you aren't giving away any
commercial secrets. They don't have to be valuable for them to get very
cross with you.
 
Andy
Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org>: Sep 27 09:42AM -0400

On 9/26/14, 1:38 PM, Wouter van Ooijen wrote:
> local -> worse! An allocated heap object -> who is responsible for
> managing this object?)
 
> Wouter van Ooijen
 
The first thing I would say is probably wrong with the code is that "f"
is too short of a name for a function, unless, maybe, it is being used
in the prototype of a function declaring a function pointer to be passed in.
 
Second, while maybe it is odd enough to raise a review question, I don't
think that "probably" wrong is right.
 
Some very correct applications of this sort of function (I presume this
is intended to be a global function that returns a reference):
 
1) f() is a maker function and is returning the created object. When the
user is done they are expected to remove the object either with a member
function or another free function, think of it sort of like new, but
returning a reference rather than a pointer.
 
2) f() is returning a singleton like object. f() will check if the
singleton is already created, and if not create it and return a
reference to it. Presumably some link has been made somewhere to
properly dispose of the object at program end, or perhaps it is
reference counted and there is another function to indicate that we are
done, and if no one needs it still, it can be disposed of.
 
3) f() could also return a "global" object, whose exact type might not
be known at the time of the compiling of the caller, but it is known to
be a subtype of some base "T". This allows the caller to get access to
the object, and the final type might not be known to link time, when an
appropriate module is linked in, defining the object and the access
function. With dynamic linking, it might even be at run time.
 
Returning an "auto" local to f() is bad, as such an object is gone by
the time you get to the caller.
Wouter van Ooijen <wouter@voti.nl>: Sep 27 08:49PM +0200

Richard Damon schreef op 27-Sep-14 3:42 PM:
> is too short of a name for a function, unless, maybe, it is being used
> in the prototype of a function declaring a function pointer to be passed
> in.
 
I agree, but as the name was not the point I probably should have used
foo but I prefer f.
 
> user is done they are expected to remove the object either with a member
> function or another free function, think of it sort of like new, but
> returning a reference rather than a pointer.
 
It is indeed meant as a free function. IMO returning a heap object for
which the receiver has 'lifetime responsibility' as a reference rather
than as a pointer is (at least) an attempt to confuse the reader.
 
> properly dispose of the object at program end, or perhaps it is
> reference counted and there is another function to indicate that we are
> done, and if no one needs it still, it can be disposed of.
 
If you think a singleton is a pattern this is a valid use. IMO singleton
is an anti-pattern.
 
> the object, and the final type might not be known to link time, when an
> appropriate module is linked in, defining the object and the access
> function. With dynamic linking, it might even be at run time.
 
IMO a global object is a bad thing, one step worse than a singelton.
 
> Returning an "auto" local to f() is bad, as such an object is gone by
> the time you get to the caller.
 
That we can agree on.
 
But as a candidate you would definitely pass, because you understand the
(possible, probable) implications of a function that retruns a
reference. Whether you agree with me on the details is not the point, I
think I would prefer a co-worker with a sharp opinion that differs
somewhat from mine over a clone of myself. One Wouter is enough in most
situations.
 
Wouter van Ooijen
Nobody <nobody@nowhere.invalid>: Sep 27 06:07AM +0100

On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 14:21:31 -0500, Paavo Helde wrote:
 
> byte wchar_t and uint32_t, but is silent for 2 byte wchar_t (achieved via -
> fshort-wchar flag) and uint16_t. Is there indeed some special case for 16-
> bit data, in addition to 8-bit?
 
wchar_t defaults to "int" (note: not unsigned); -fshort-wchar changes it
to "short unsigned int".
 
$ gcc -E -dM -x c /dev/null | fgrep __WCHAR_TYPE__
#define __WCHAR_TYPE__ int
$ gcc -E -dM -x c -fshort-wchar /dev/null | fgrep __WCHAR_TYPE__
#define __WCHAR_TYPE__ short unsigned int
Paavo Helde <myfirstname@osa.pri.ee>: Sep 27 02:35AM -0500

Nobody <nobody@nowhere.invalid> wrote in
> #define __WCHAR_TYPE__ int
> $ gcc -E -dM -x c -fshort-wchar /dev/null | fgrep __WCHAR_TYPE__
> #define __WCHAR_TYPE__ short unsigned int
 
Good to know, but it appears signed/unsigned does not change the pun
warnings, I tried with both signed and unsigned types.
 
tmp> cat test1.cpp
int main() {
wchar_t c=0;
*((TYPE * )&c) = 1;
return c;
}
 
tmp> g++ -O2 -fstrict-aliasing -Wstrict-aliasing -DTYPE=int test1.cpp
test1.cpp: In function ?int main()?:
test1.cpp:3:18: warning: dereferencing type-punned pointer will break
strict-aliasing rules [-Wstrict-aliasing]
 
tmp> g++ -O2 -fstrict-aliasing -Wstrict-aliasing -DTYPE='unsigned int'
test1.cpp
test1.cpp: In function ?int main()?:
test1.cpp:3:18: warning: dereferencing type-punned pointer will break
strict-aliasing rules [-Wstrict-aliasing]
 
tmp> g++ -O2 -fstrict-aliasing -Wstrict-aliasing -DTYPE='unsigned
short' -fshort-wchar test1.cpp
 
tmp> g++ -O2 -fstrict-aliasing -Wstrict-aliasing -DTYPE='short' -fshort-
wchar test1.cpp
 
tmp> g++ -v
Using built-in specs.
COLLECT_GCC=g++
COLLECT_LTO_WRAPPER=/usr/lib64/gcc/x86_64-suse-linux/4.6/lto-wrapper
Target: x86_64-suse-linux
Configured with: ../configure --prefix=/usr --infodir=/usr/share/info --
mandir=/usr/share/man --libdir=/usr/lib64 --libexecdir=/usr/lib64 --
enable-languages=c,c++,objc,fortran,obj-c++,java,ada --enable-
checking=release --with-gxx-include-dir=/usr/include/c++/4.6 --enable-ssp
--disable-libssp --disable-plugin --with-bugurl=http://bugs.opensuse.org/
--with-pkgversion='SUSE Linux' --disable-libgcj --disable-libmudflap --
with-slibdir=/lib64 --with-system-zlib --enable-__cxa_atexit --enable-
libstdcxx-allocator=new --disable-libstdcxx-pch --enable-version-
specific-runtime-libs --program-suffix=-4.6 --enable-linux-futex --
without-system-libunwind --with-arch-32=i586 --with-tune=generic --
build=x86_64-suse-linux
Thread model: posix
gcc version 4.6.2 (SUSE Linux)
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