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woodbrian77@gmail.com: Sep 28 05:10PM -0700

Please don't swear here.
 
 
Brian
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Sep 29 01:57AM -0700

http://biblehub.com/ephesians/4-18.htm
 
"Having the understanding darkened, being
alienated from the life of God through the
ignorance that is in them, because of the
blindness of their heart:"
 
God has revealed the state of man to all.
It is because of the implication of that state
that I reach out, pray, and teach.
 
http://biblehub.com/revelation/20-15.htm
 
"And whosoever was not found written in the
book of life was cast into the lake of fire."
 
I love people. God loves people (John 3:16).
There is love abounding in God, and in the
truth of His gospel message, and in His
people who are born again. And here we
see the full power of sin manifest, that even
though God loves each person, even though
He has completely taken away the need of
any person to go to Hell Himself, by His own
Son's sacrificial death at the cross, even though
He knocks continually on the doors of their
heart and mind, and even though there are
people like me testifying and explaining that
the transformation from the carnal to the
born again spirit-filled nature is real, the
power of sin, its deception, its utter falseness
grabs hold of the individual, blinding them to
the truth because they themselves are so bent
and twisted by it (sin) that they will not hear
the truth, not one bit of it.
 
This is the only reason anyone will wind up
in Hell: they will not hear the truth because
sin and the sin nature has consumed them
unto death.
 
I used to think it was harsh for God to send
anyone to Hell, but now I see the full nature
of sin manifest... that it is a cancer upon His
creation, that it only destroys, seeks to destroy,
and that to the uttermost. Given that we are
all very powerful eternal beings, I categorically
agree with God that Hell is essential for all sin.
It is the only mechanism that can completely
seal in and isolate sin from the rest of His
creation. And what God teaches is true: the
only people who will ever ever ever go there
are those who up and down, front to back,
side to side, inside and out, refuse, absolutely
refuse, to hear the truth. Every other person
who will hear the truth is completely forgiven,
with every sin being taken away by Jesus'
death on the cross, and subsequent eternal
resurrection.
 
I agree with God that Hell is necessary to
contain sin, for all sin does is completely
destroy everything it touches, and Hell is
a place to continually destroy the individual,
the eternal being, who will not let go of sin,
who will not let go of the destructive nature.
 
As I say, I will remember each of you in my
prayers as the Lord brings you to my
remembrance.
 
Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin
Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid>: Sep 29 09:13AM

> You are right to be concerned for the welfare of children.
> He cares for them more than you do.
 
He seems rather inefficient at it, given how he fails to help them when
they are in dire need and are suffering.
 
What do you call a father who sees his child being tortured, raped and
killed, and does absolutely nothing to help?
 
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"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Sep 29 02:35AM -0700

http://biblehub.com/revelation/3-18.htm
 
"I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou
mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed,
and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint
thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see."
 
Everything about God is continual guidance unto life. He teaches
all who will hear continually about Him, His Kingdom, that which
lies ahead for us, why we are so precious and special (beings made
in His own image, in His likeness), and of communal love, true inner,
family love one to another.
 
God is beautiful, and peaceful, and loving, forgiving, patient, tolerant
of our ignorance, kind, helpful, drawing us to Him, desiring to give us
of His vast Kingdom, and more.
 
The wars you see and hear about religion, about ideology, about
this principle over that principle, they are real. All of them. And
every one of those wars that results in any type of violence, in any
person rising up against another person, all stem from the same,
single source: Satan.
 
Satan has power only because of sin. The born again nature sets
men free from Satan's power. Satan operates on our flesh, riling
us up through sinful lusts, the sinful nature, until we acquiesce
and commit sin. But the power of God, of His Holy Spirit guidance,
leads us only to peace, only to love, only to being loving, helping,
building up, teaching, encouraging, guiding, and the like.
 
Jesus is the door. He is the gateway from death and sin, to the
spirit and life. There are no people anywhere given an alternate
way. Jesus is the way. And He is sufficient.
 
It's why I testify like this. I have that love (His love) on my heart,
and I desire the things He desires, that those who are lost be
saved.
 
God wants to restore you to Himself, to life, to eternity. I want
the same because His Spirit lives inside of me (the born again
nature is a spiritual birth, enabling one to hear and know God).
 
I testify that God is real. That His love is real. That salvation
through His Son Jesus is real. It is free. It is extended to all
who will receive it without exception. All you have to do is
ask Him to save you.
 
So beautiful is His offering. That even though we've sinned, He
is still willing to forgive us. Its why Jesus came to the Earth...
to die in our place, to raise Himself back to life, so that we might
live.
 
He simultaneously put away sin and death, and restored all who
will hear the truth. Powerful.
 
Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin
Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid>: Sep 29 01:31PM

> God is beautiful, and peaceful, and loving, forgiving, patient, tolerant
> of our ignorance, kind, helpful, drawing us to Him, desiring to give us
> of His vast Kingdom, and more.
 
I find fascinating how religion can cause such a cognitive dissonance.
It makes you think like that, and at the same time that the same God
has created a place of eternal indescribable torment and torture where
he sends his own creation to suffer forever because they didn't love
him the right way.
 
If a father tortured his children in a torture cellar he himself built,
would you call him "peaceful, loving, forgiving, patient, tolerant, kind"?
 
This is a perfect example of Orwellian double-think.
 
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"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Sep 29 06:42AM -0700

On Monday, September 29, 2014 5:13:13 AM UTC-4, Juha Nieminen wrote:
> > He cares for them more than you do.
 
> He seems rather inefficient at it, given how he fails to help them
> when they are in dire need and are suffering.
 
Sin is the cause of all kinds of suffering, including this you mention.
Jesus saves people from sin. He sets them free from sin. He saves them
in eternity.
 
Our struggles here upon Earth persist for a night, but joy comes in the
morning. Jesus is returning soon and those who are His will be drawn to
Him and be saved. The pain we go through today, the travail of this world,
is likened to a woman giving birth. It is anguish. It is strong. But when
the new baby arrives the pain is forgotten because of the joy which has
been brought forth.
 
It is the same for the believer. The song "Amazing Grace" was not written
with those words by accident. It reflects the believer's transformed state.
 
The sin which takes place upon this world is awful and God hates it. He
has promised to repay everyone for everything, including even every idle
word for which we will personally give an account (everything we've ever
spoken will be addressed, let alone our overt physical actions).
 
God is not letting anything go unpunished. Not one thing. But God has
said that such things must take place. I don't know the cause of that. I
cannot see or think eternally with the scope and knowledge of God, but I
have faith in Him that He is doing everything correctly because I know
who He is.
 
It is sin that binds. Sin that blinds. Not God. God frees men from sin,
restores them in eternity, and sets their feet on the path of eternity
through His Son, Jesus Christ, and for all of those everywhere who will
believe in Him.
 
> What do you call a father who sees his child being tortured, raped and
> killed, and does absolutely nothing to help?
 
God has helped every one of those who are hurting. Many simply refuse to
acknowledge His help as being help and say to themselves instead, "I know
how the help should be doled out," rather than having faith in God, again
the result of sin.
 
He's with us always... even through the pain of this world wrapped in sin.
Our hope, our confidence, our assurance is in Him and His eternal Kingdom,
that though we suffer here in this world, which He promised would come
upon us, that what we receive is worth every ounce of struggle. And all
any believer has to do is stand up for Him, to teach of Him, to speak of
Him (to take His yoke upon their shoulders, for His yoke is easy, and His
burden is light). We (believers) do the things we can do, and we rely upon
Him to do the rest.
 
It comes down to faith, and faith applied into action, that though these
things happen in the world, we stand up for Him, we stand in the gap for
those who do not yet know Him, and we stand up to the evil voices and
teach them His ways, which are the ways of peace and love.
 
Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Sep 29 07:01AM -0700

On Monday, September 29, 2014 9:32:02 AM UTC-4, Juha Nieminen wrote:
> has created a place of eternal indescribable torment and torture where
> he sends his own creation to suffer forever because they didn't love
> him the right way.
 
http://biblehub.com/2_corinthians/4-3.htm
http://biblehub.com/2_corinthians/4-4.htm
 
"3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
"4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which
believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is
the image of God, should shine unto them."
 
You are blind to God's beauty, His salvation, His holiness, His eternal
plans, because you are perishing. You will not come out of your sin and
hear the truth, and therefore you cannot hear it. The moment you do seek
to find the truth, you then will understand. And you too will know why
the words of the song Amazing Grace were penned that way.
 
There really is something happening here. It really is a battle for
your ETERNAL soul. That is why I continue to teach you the way that
you might be moved from within to seek Him, and be saved.
 
> If a father tortured his children in a torture cellar he himself built,
> would you call him "peaceful, loving, forgiving, patient, tolerant, kind"?
 
No. Of course not. But justice must be served. And in eternity, justice
takes on a different meaning than it does in a temporal form such as we
see here in our flesh. Yet even here some crimes are so heinous the
guity are given 300 year sentences, and lifetime without parole, etc.
It is the same with regards to eternity, and the nature of sin.
 
We are eternal beings. Our punishment for sin is therefore also eternal.
And no one has any excuse because God also made a way out of that
punishment. But most people stop at the "God will send me to Hell forever"
rather than the follow-on which says, "God has saved me from Hell by His
own death."
 
It is the difference between the sin nature, and the born again spirit
nature.
 
Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Sep 29 07:27AM -0700

On Monday, September 29, 2014 10:01:29 AM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> "4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which
> believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is
> the image of God, should shine unto them."
 
To be clear, the "god of this world" (lower-case "g") is Satan. He is
called the "god of this world" in scripture, along with many other names.
 
Here is a video which shows the nature of our struggles here upon this
Earth against this unseen adversary, as told through the servant Job, a
righteous man who was tried for no fault of his own:
 
The Invisible War -- by Steve Lawson (259 MB, use VLC if you cannot view):
http://www.libsf.org/video/steve_lawson__the_invisible_war.mp4
 
Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin
Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com>: Sep 29 07:37AM -0700

On Saturday, September 27, 2014 12:33:36 PM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
 
> Evolution is proof that your god doesn't exist mate.
 
Nonsense, Mr Fibble, the gods evolved too, Mr Hodgin's god evolved from Abrahamic monotheism, which evolved from Semitic polytheism in the Canaanite and Babylonian traditions.
 
Daniel
Chris Vine <chris@cvine--nospam--.freeserve.co.uk>: Sep 29 04:27PM +0100

On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 13:31:41 +0000 (UTC)
Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> wrote:
[off topic irrelevant garbage snipped]
 
Is there any chance this could now stop? It is all well and good
killfiling Rick, but I get all the garbage responses to him. Everyone
with an interest in religion has said, several times, what their point
of view is. Appealing to Rick to respect the rights of readers of this
group are bound to fail because his beliefs don't accommodate respect
for others, but the majority of the programmers who contribute to this
group seems relatively sane.
 
Can all those with an interest in programming restrict their posts to
this group in the future to things related to C++?
 
Please ...
 
Chris
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Sep 29 09:21AM -0700

On Monday, September 29, 2014 11:27:56 AM UTC-4, Chris Vine wrote:
 
> Can all those with an interest in programming restrict their posts to
> this group in the future to things related to C++?
 
> Please ...
 
Christ, I feel the same way, but in the opposite direction. I see an
inevitable end to each of our lives coming (death), and I know the two
fates which await people. Our lives here tick by for a time, and then
are ended, but eternity ticks by forever.
 
God has shared with us the utter torment that will be in Hell for those
who will not repent and be saved. And my heart cries out continually
for those who are perishing, that even one of them might be saved.
 
My sentiments are not alone:
http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/af/eb/1a/afeb1a13eddce334086bdca334084894.jpg
 
Charles H. Spurgeon (1834-1892):
"If sinners be damned, at least let them leap to Hell over our dead
bodies. And if they perish, let them perish with our arms wrapped about
their knees, imploring them to stay. If Hell must be filled, let it be
filled in the teeth of our exertions, and let not one go unwarned and
unprayed for."
 
I care about people too much to not warn them. And plea with them.
Because what's coming is beyond major. It is eternal. There are no
do-overs. There is no early parole for good behavior. It is the
final thing that people will contend with. And it is merciless.
 
On that final day, I want no one to be able to point a finger at me
and say "You didn't try hard enough, Rick. If you would've warned me
in a different way, or pursued it a little more, then I would've
come to believe." I want that argument to be something the Lord Himself
will put down with, "Rick reached out to you 39 separate times. You
denied me on every one of them."
 
Love operates through love's eyes. If your eyes are upon the Earth
then the love you have will be manifest and focused upon Earthly things.
But if your eyes are on eternity, then the love you have will be
manifest and focused upon eternal things. My eyes are focused upon
eternity, and I reach out to each of you the same.
 
Jesus is not religion. He is not fighting. He is not arguing. He is
not disagreements. He is pleading Love in its purest form. He reaches
out in a way NO OTHER EVER has reached out to you. And His love is a
Real love, an Eternal love. And it is to Him I point you. Seek to know
Him, for He can save you from that end. He wants to do this. He came
here to make a way, and said on the cross, "It is finished." He did it.
And now all we have to do is receive it.
 
Learn of Him. Seek to know Him truly. You'll find that He's unlike the
things you've heared about Him here in the world, or the way sinful men
professing to know Him have done sinful things. He is Holy. He is
distinct. His ways are focused on a true love for you.
 
I pray everyone reading this will come to seek after Him, to seek Him as
He is, to repent and believe and be saved.
 
Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Sep 29 09:48AM -0700

On Monday, September 29, 2014 11:27:56 AM UTC-4, Chris Vine wrote:
> Is there any chance this could now stop?
 
Chris, Penn Jilette is a devout atheist. But he also realizes the
love Christians have for God, and for their fellow man, in this:
 
http://www.radicallychristian.com/what-atheist-penn-jillette-taught-me-about-evangelism
 
"How much do you have to HATE somebody to believe everlasting life is
possible and not tell them that?"
 
And the article author sums up his thoughts here:
 
Jillette even admits, warning someone about the danger of hell
is "even more important" than warning someone about being hit
by a truck. The implication is, if you would TACKLE someone to
keep them from being hit by a truck, why wouldn't you at least
risk social embarrassment to warn others about hell?
 
Eternity is forever. And I stand warning each of you about the fate of
those who will not humble themselves, repent, ask forgiveness, and be
saved. It is a humbling act, one of self-denial, and one of
acknowledgement over who God is, and who Jesus is, and it is the only
thing one must do ... believe (and then put that belief into practice
by asking forgiveness of the One you believe in), and then be saved.
 
Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Sep 29 09:56AM -0700

Athiest Penn Jillette's video where he discusses Christian
evangelism (3:42):
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4a4AU9FYyc
 
Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin
Wouter van Ooijen <wouter@voti.nl>: Sep 29 07:19PM +0200


> Christ, I feel the same way, but in the opposite direction. I see an
> inevitable end to each of our lives coming (death), and I know the two
> fates which await people.
 
Oh please, when my lifetime ends, either because my scope is at its end
(me not being a static person) or because someone deliberately calls
delete on me, and and my destructor is finally invoked, I'll be happy in
the knowledge that my bytes will be re-used for a new object. I do not
want to be part of any memory-leaking retain-all-objects-for-eternity
scheme.
 
Wouter van Ooijen
(trying to bent religious rambling back to the purpose of this group)
Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk>: Sep 29 06:34PM +0100

On 29/09/2014 17:56, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Athiest Penn Jillette's video where he discusses Christian
> evangelism (3:42):
 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4a4AU9FYyc
 
The difference is you are TROLLING a technical newsgroup with religious
posts.
 
/Flibble
c.milanesi.bg@gmail.com: Sep 29 09:31AM -0700

I am developing an open-source header-only multi-platform C++11 library to handle physical measures and angles.
Now it has reached a good-enough maturation level to need some real user feedback.
 
You can browse or download sources here:
https://github.com/carlomilanesi/cpp-measures
Test code is quite cumbersome and available only for Windows.
 
You can browse documentation here:
https://github.com/carlomilanesi/cpp-measures/wiki
and particularly here:
https://github.com/carlomilanesi/cpp-measures/wiki/Tutorial
 
Actually I need someone programming engineering software,
who would like to read the tutorial and tell me
what is missing for his/her software application needs.
 
--
 
Carlo Milanesi
http://carlomilanesi.wordpress.com/
Wouter van Ooijen <wouter@voti.nl>: Sep 29 07:26PM +0200


> Actually I need someone programming engineering software,
> who would like to read the tutorial and tell me
> what is missing for his/her software application needs.
 
I hope you are aware that something like this exists in boost? In what
sense is your work different or even better than the boost solution?
 
Some points that are IMO important for such a library, especially for
small microntrollers:
- do you differentiate between absolute and relative values (for
instance for time, but also for location/distance)
- can you work with non-floating-point base types (especially
fixed-point types implemented on top of integers)?
- can you work with mixed base types (for instance fixed-point types
based on integers of various size and scaling)?
 
(Sorry for being to lazy to read all documentation myself before I ask.)
 
Wouter van Ooijen
Wake up Brazil <johnkalane@yahoo.com>: Sep 29 07:51AM -0700

Consider this snippet:
 
#include <iostream>
extern int A;
static int A = 101;
class A{};
int main()
{
std::cout << A << '\n';
}
 
From §3.5/4 we have that the first declaration `extern int A;` gives the name `A` external linkage and the second declaration `static int A = 101;` gives the name `A` internal linkage. From §3.3.1/4 we can say this is an error, because we have two different entities (external and internal linkages) with the same name in the same declarative region.
 
All three compilers (g++, clang and VS2013) produce an error in this cases.
 
Consider now this example:
 
#include <iostream>
static int A = 101;
extern int A;
class A{};
int main()
{
std::cout << A << '\n';
}
 
Everything that I said before applies here, but g++ and clang compile and execute this code. I believe these compilers are not compliant with §3.3.1/4.
 
Does anyone have any other idea about this?
Victor Bazarov <v.bazarov@comcast.invalid>: Sep 29 11:23AM -0400

On 9/29/2014 10:51 AM, Wake up Brazil wrote:
> }
 
> Everything that I said before applies here, but g++ and clang compile and execute this code. I believe these compilers are not compliant with §3.3.1/4.
 
> Does anyone have any other idea about this?
 
If the makers of g++ (and clang) misread the Standard a bit, they
interpreted that any declaration, even with 'extern' that follows a
declaration with 'static', does not override the linkage of the object,
but declares the same object, which has the same linkage as has been
declared already, i.e. internal here. See [basic.link]/6. However,
that particular part of the Standard talks specifically about functions
and variables declared in *block* scope, as the example that follows shows.
 
I cannot imagine any other error by the developers of those compilers.
And I agree with your determination that the same object cannot have two
linkages when declared *in the same scope*.
 
Curiously, I seem to have never seen any comments by compiler
implementors here. Either they are too busy to participate in any
community activities, or there are so few of them that their posts are
simply lost in the torrent of other articles, or they purposely avoid
the forum... It would be interesting to hear/see an interpretation of
theirs, however.
 
V
--
I do not respond to top-posted replies, please don't ask
Wake up Brazil <johnkalane@yahoo.com>: Sep 29 10:09AM -0700

On Monday, September 29, 2014 12:23:25 PM UTC-3, Victor Bazarov wrote:
 
> V
 
> --
 
> I do not respond to top-posted replies, please don't ask
 
Thanks for your valuable reply, and I agree with you that [basic.link]/6 doesn't apply here.
Louis Krupp <lkrupp@nospam.pssw.com.invalid>: Sep 28 09:28PM -0600

On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 00:25:47 +0200, Johann Klammer
 
>The code fragment is from a gperf generated file....
 
>Note: g++ is used for compilation.
 
>what to do?
 
A search for __gnu_inline__ turned up this:
 
https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=41194
 
I don't understand it, but you might find it useful.
 
Louis
Johann Klammer <klammerj@NOSPAM.a1.net>: Sep 29 01:00PM +0200

On 09/29/2014 05:28 AM, Louis Krupp wrote:
 
> https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=41194
 
> I don't understand it, but you might find it useful.
 
> Louis
 
Thanks, I'll file a bug with iverilog, then.
Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se>: Sep 29 09:33AM

On Fri, 2014-09-26, peter koch wrote:
 
>> In either case, I too warmly recommend the "move, then erase" approach.
 
>> /Jorgen
 
> You can't do that as you do not know what is between end and defVect.end().
 
[...]
 
> Perhaps you overlooked that the vector consisted of raw pointers that had to be deleted?
 
I assumed the vector contained something more "normal", yes. But
AFAICT both MikeCopeland or Andreas Dehmel make the same assumption?
I admit that I didn't read the full thread.
 
/Jorgen
 
--
// Jorgen Grahn <grahn@ Oo o. . .
\X/ snipabacken.se> O o .
woodbrian77@gmail.com: Sep 28 05:25PM -0700

On Sunday, September 28, 2014 3:46:35 PM UTC-5, Robert Hutchings wrote:
 
> > Why did you not first ask you employer to make sure its even possible to
> > post here? :)
 
> I should have. Sorry.
 
I don't think I'd like working there since they don't
have code reviews. It also seems strange they don't
have some open source code that you could post and discuss.
 
Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises - I am the vine, you are the branches;
he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for
apart from Me you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide
in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they
gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned.
John 15: 5,6
 
http://webEbenezer.net
David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>: Sep 29 09:30AM +0200

On 28/09/14 16:17, Robert Hutchings wrote:
> code on the internet, citing "Intellectual Property" issues. I am not
> sure that I agree with that, but, as an employee, I am bound by their
> decision. Thanks again to all!
 
When you work for someone else, they own the code you write. They own
the copyright, and they decide what may or may not be done with it. You
are not free to post it or even discuss it without the employer's
consent. And your employer is absolutely correct in making a blanket
"everything we write is top secret intellectual property" statement, and
only opening up for specific cases - this is the way most companies
work. (There are others that are much more open, and gain many benefits
from that, but that should only come after hard thought and discussion -
everything secret is the default position.)
 
You are also expected to be loyal to your employer, and not publicly
criticise or condemn them (unless you suspect them of illegal or
unlawful activity, which may include conning customers if you think the
quality is not as high as it should be - but in that case a public
newsgroup is not the right place to report it). If your employer sees
the way you wrote about their code review policy, they would be
justified in reprimanding you - and if you are unfortunate enough to
live in a country like the USA which has almost no employee protection
laws, they may even be able to fire you on the spot.
 
If you think you have ideas that could improve your development process,
such as code reviews within the company or discussing code snippets in
public forums, then you should be discussing it with your colleagues and
management - you can't take it upon yourself to change or ignore the
policies of your company.
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