Tuesday, September 13, 2016

Digest for comp.lang.c++@googlegroups.com - 24 updates in 4 topics

Real Troll <real.troll@trolls.com>: Sep 12 09:45PM -0400

On 12/09/2016 20:08, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Here's a powerful sermon that teaches us about Jesus Christ
 
Does it teach you whether he was circumcised or not? He was Jewish
wasn't he? All good Jewish are generally circumcised so that they don't
abuse young boys. Christians don't do this so all child abuse occurs
among radical Christians.
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Sep 12 08:17PM -0700

Real Troll wrote:
> On 12/09/2016 20:08, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > Here's a powerful sermon that teaches us about Jesus Christ
 
> Does it teach you whether he was circumcised or not?
 
Jesus came to the Earth to fulfill the Law, and change our relationship
with God by ushering in the age of Grace.
 
He was circumcised on the eighth day, and given His name:
 
http://biblehub.com/kjv/luke/2-21.htm
22 And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising
of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named
of the angel before he was conceived in the womb.
 
http://biblehub.com/kjv/matthew/5-17.htm
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the
prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
 
On the eighth day the unnecessary flesh is discarded. God created
the Heaven and Earth in six days, and on the seventh day He rested.
He has a seven thousand year plan for the Earth, and we are on
the absolute cusp of the end of the sixth day, about ready to usher
in the seventh day, or the last thousand years of our time here on this
Earth.
 
After that, we discard our flesh, and the eternal day begins: the eighth
day, as it were.
 
When Jesus raised Lazarus, he was four days dead, or four thousand
years on the Earth scale, and there was a bad odor (sin was everywhere,
and corruption of sin).
 
http://biblehub.com/kjv/john/11-17.htm
17 Then when Jesus came, he found that he [Lazarus] had lain in
the grave four days already.
 
But Jesus waited two days before coming to resurrect Lazarus:
 
http://biblehub.com/kjv/john/11-6.htm
6 When he had heard therefore that he was sick, he abode
two days still in the same place where he was.
 
We have timescales in Biblical parables which tell us what's coming
and when. We don't always see the details, but the broad strokes are
there.
 
The Bible is not only consistent, but it's a teacher because it
was penned through men by God's Holy Spirit, which makes it alive,
living and active.
 
Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin
"Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid>: Sep 12 08:27PM -0700

On 9/12/2016 8:17 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
 
> Jesus came to the Earth to fulfill the Law, and change our relationship
> with God by ushering in the age of Grace.
 
> He was circumcised on the eighth day, and given His name:
 
Ummm... You mean his normal psychical body was exposed to a nut case
with a knife, in the name of religion! Wow. What a symmetry:
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation
 
god is great Rick. Wow.
"Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid>: Sep 12 08:29PM -0700

On 9/12/2016 8:27 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> with a knife, in the name of religion! Wow. What a symmetry:
 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation
 
> god is great Rick. Wow.
 
BTW, some as$hole did that to me when I was a little baby. Wow. God is
great!
"Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid>: Sep 12 08:31PM -0700

On 9/12/2016 8:17 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
 
> Jesus came to the Earth to fulfill the Law, and change our relationship
> with God by ushering in the age of Grace.
 
> He was circumcised on the eighth day, and given His name:
[...]
 
If god told you to do something, you would do it right, Rick?
 
lol.
red floyd <no.spam.here@its.invalid>: Sep 12 10:01PM -0700

On 9/12/2016 8:12 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> [redacted]
 
What the F*** is your major malfunction, dude?
 
Take this to a newsgroup that cares... maybe somewhere
under alt.religion or soc.religion
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Sep 13 05:25AM -0700

On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 1:01:57 AM UTC-4, red floyd wrote:
> Take this to a newsgroup that cares... maybe somewhere
> under alt.religion or soc.religion
 
Jesus Christ gives people eternal life. He's the only one who can because
of what He did at the cross. Whereas there are many in alt.religion and
soc.religion who also need to know this, there are others in the world
who will never visit alt.religion or soc.religion, so to only go there and
teach the message of salvation and eternal life through Jesus Christ is ...
less than adequate ... as it leaves many billions exposed to the false
teachings of the anti-Christ enemy (Satan, and all his demon imps).
 
Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Sep 13 07:57AM -0700

On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 11:31:58 PM UTC-4, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> [...]
 
> If god told you to do something, you would do it right, Rick?
 
> lol.
 
Chris, are you so unengaged as to only receive those things the power
bases of this world feed you (government, school, media, social media)?
Do you have eyes and ears to see and hear, and a mind of your own with
which to think? Why do you mock me for thinking with my mind, and
using my eyes and ears?
 
I've written several times before: I was an atheist until 2004. And
I was a devout atheist of the Penn Jillette kind. Profanity, seeking
self interests, allowing other people to have their religion so long
as they kept it over there and out of my face, etc.
 
I met Jesus Christ in 2004, and He changed me. The Rick that was
literally ... literally ... died that day. I am now a different Rick,
and I have been changed from within.
 
What I experienced is called the "new birth" which is why people say
they are "born again," and why the Bible records you must be "born
again" or you cannot see the Kingdom of God.
 
God Himself performs this miracle within you. You become augmented,
more than you were before, not only seeing with your natural eyes,
and not only hearing with your natural ears, but now you have spiritual
components giving you input and influence, and they are stronger than
the natural input. You are able to know things through that spiritual
life that you could not know in your natural-only man.
 
I can't make you believe, Chris. But I can tell you that which God
Himself commands me to tell you, and that which is required to come
to this knowledge: seek the truth, and pursue it with great vigor.
Do not listen to the anti-Christ enemy spirit at work in all of the
power bases in this world. Seek out the real and true answers for
your own answers, for your own satisfaction.
 
You will be then as is described here:
 
Seek truthfully and you will find out He's real:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pupPSlzZmkw&t=29m36s
 
I pray you do, Chris. You are an incredible creation of God with
tremendous value beyond measure. It's why God has invested time and
energy in reaching you. He stands at the door and knocks and will
not force His way in, but He asks to come in. If you receive Him
into your heart, and ask forgiveness of your sin, then you too will
receive salvation and you too will know what it means to be born again.
And you too will then have the exceedingly difficult task thrust upon
your shoulders of trying to explain it to people who have no eyes or
ears to understand it, and that they only way they can know it is to
seek the truth so that God can make the change within them that makes
it possible to actually come to know the truth, so that the truth will
make them free.
 
-----
There is eternal life in Jesus Christ, Chris. The enemy knows this,
which is why he puts up such an effort to discredit God, Jesus Christ,
His followers, and the Message. But if you press in and seek the truth,
God is greater than Satan and He will make it possible for you to come
to the proper knowledge. It will be all Him, and not me or any other
Christian (preacher or otherwise). It will be solely between you and
God, and you too will know what I have come to know since 2004.
 
I pray you do, Chris. I would like to see you in Heaven.
 
Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin
Real Troll <real.troll@trolls.com>: Sep 13 01:35PM -0400

On 13/09/2016 13:25, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Jesus Christ gives people eternal life.
You seem to be saying this but you haven't produced any evidence to this
yet. First tell us how old was he before he was killed? Also tell us
how does this reconcile with your concept of "eternal life".
 
Please also tell us how many children he had when he died.
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Sep 13 10:36AM -0700

On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 1:29:45 PM UTC-4, Real Troll wrote:
> yet. First tell us how old was he before he was killed? Also tell us
> how does this reconcile with your concept of "eternal life".
 
> Please also tell us how many children he had when he died.
 
The attitude you possess toward Him is what separates you from Him. I
could answer all of your questions, give you proper and true answers
that are well descriptive, easy to be understood, but because you have
a heart full of preconceived notions and ideas regarding the falseness
of it all, you will never be able to receive any of it. I'll be
speaking in a language you can't understand. It would be like someone
with all of the answers to all of the questions to everything in the
universe sitting beside you reading them out one by one in another
language. You would hear, but not understand, and from within your
not understanding would come derision and insults.
 
You must first set your sights on the truth, "Real Troll." When you
begin with that pursuit, it won't be me who will be teaching you about
Him, but it will be Him teaching you about Himself.
 
Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin
Bo Persson <bop@gmb.dk>: Sep 13 08:15PM +0200

On 2016-09-13 19:35, Real Troll wrote:
> You seem to be saying this but you haven't produced any evidence to this
> yet. First tell us how old was he before he was killed? Also tell us
> how does this reconcile with your concept of "eternal life".
 
He was just slightly dead for a few days, and then supposedly lived
again. Infinity - 3 is still infinity, so close enough to eternal life.
 
 
> Please also tell us how many children he had when he died.
 
 
That's classified.
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Sep 13 11:57AM -0700

On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 1:29:45 PM UTC-4, Real Troll wrote:
> On 13/09/2016 13:25, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > Jesus Christ gives people eternal life.
> [snip] ... First tell us how old was he before he was killed?
 
Your question contains an incorrect foundation. You say "before he was
killed." Leaving the fact alone that it should be "He" (capital H), He
was not killed. He was not guilty. He did not die on the cross because
of nails. God the Father transferred the sin of all those who would put
their faith in Jesus Christ onto His Son, and then turned His back on
Him, so that Jesus could bear the full weight of sin for all of them.
Jesus even cried out from the cross when this happened:
 
http://biblehub.com/kjv/matthew/27-46.htm
46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying,
Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why
hast thou forsaken me?
 
God had to turn away from sin, and Jesus had become sin in our place.
He then voluntarily gave up the ghost. He did not die from His wounds,
nor from any of man's punishment. He chose to die in this manner:
 
http://biblehub.com/kjv/john/19-30.htm
30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is
finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
 
http://biblehub.com/kjv/matthew/27-50.htm
50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the
ghost.
 
He was not weak at the end, as in being at the point of death. He had
mental faculties able to converse with the thief on the cross who
repented. He was able to speak. He was coherent. And there at the
end He cried out with a loud voice, and voluntarily gave up the Ghost.
 
Many have wondered why He cried out with a loud voice. I believe He
was beginning to see the torment of Hell coming that He would endure
in our place. But, I don't know for sure. It is recorded in scripture
for a reason though.
 
So, on Earth, Jesus stepped out of Heaven and was born as a baby and
lived about 33.5 years when He went to the cross. He began His ministry
when He was about 30, so about three years of teaching here on the Earth.
 
His body was as ours, born as a man, of the flesh, but that which was
inside of Him, it was God Himself. Just like how we have our body,
but what dwells inside of us is the true us, the one that will be united
with a perfect body on the other side of death, such that we also are all
eternal beings, but here in this flesh we only see our years here, and
our life here, because we're spiritually dead because of sin. But when
Jesus takes our sin away, we are born again, spiritually alive, able to
know the things which are of God, which are eternal. And it changes
everything for us.
 
> Also tell us how does this reconcile with your concept of "eternal life".
 
Our bodies are a presentation of us. We are three-fold beings, just as
God is. We are soul, body, spirit, just as God is God the Father, God
the Son, God the Holy Spirit. After we die, we will go on. It will be
us because our soul is real. We will have a new body that will not wear
out, but will endure up to all things. For some it will be in Heaven
enduring the love and paradise of God's House, for many others it will
be in Hell enduring the flames. And where we wind up depends exactly on
what we did while here in our flesh-based bodies with Jesus Christ,
because this is where our sin is, and this is where Jesus came to set
us free from that sin.
 
> Please also tell us how many children he had when he died.
 
None biologically, but all those who put their faith in Him are given the
right to become sons of God.
 
Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin
"Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid>: Sep 13 12:53PM -0700

On 9/13/2016 11:57 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
 
> Your question contains an incorrect foundation. You say "before he was
> killed." Leaving the fact alone that it should be "He" (capital H), He
> was not killed.
[...]
 
Jesus most certainly was beaten to a bloody pulp, and killed. But,
before he bit the dust, he got fuc%ing pissed of and said: "My God, my
God, why have you forsaken me!"
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Sep 13 12:58PM -0700

On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 3:53:23 PM UTC-4, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
 
> Jesus most certainly was beaten to a bloody pulp, and killed. But,
> before he bit the dust, he got fuc%ing pissed of and said: "My God, my
> God, why have you forsaken me!"
 
And right there is your condemnation, Chris. Jesus will not send you to
Hell. You send yourself to Hell because you flatly reject Him, because
He would receive you if you would receive Him. The only barriers up
between you and eternal life are those you are erecting yourself.
 
He won't violate your volition ... He lets you choose:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pupPSlzZmkw&t=31m22s
 
Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin
Real Troll <real.troll@trolls.com>: Sep 13 06:25PM -0400

On 13/09/2016 18:36, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Him, but it will be Him teaching you about Himself.
 
> Best regards,
> Rick C. Hodgin
 
If you don't know the answers to my genuine questions then say so and
stop bull-shitting people on these newsgroups. There is no place for
religion in the 21st century; People are educated and they know better
than your Jesus Christ.
 
In fact I would say there was no such thing as Jesus Christ. IT is all
a story created by idiots like you to fool the masses who were
uneducated and so the only way to control them was to frighten them;
You keep telling us about HELL and all that crap. What the fuck is HELL
and how do you know about it. There is no HELL. You die, you die.
PERIOD. People don't go anywhere after their death. There is no HELL or
HEAVEN. Its just DEATH. Period, kaput, dead, shit call what you may.
Stop peddling your religious propaganda because you are wasting your
time here.
 
I do posses attitude towards anybody who is so idiot to waste time
talking about something which I don't believe. You are an idiot and the
only people who can save you are scientists and doctors. NOT your JESUS
fucking Christ. He has caused more problems while scientists have
solved many problems.
"Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid>: Sep 13 03:24PM -0700

On 9/13/2016 12:58 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> before he bit the dust, he got fuc%ing pissed of and said: "My God, my
>> God, why have you forsaken me!"
 
> And right there is your condemnation, Chris.
 
What part of what I wrote was wrong? I thought the Romans beat the
living shi% out Him... Then killed Him. No?
 
 
 
Real Troll <real.troll@trolls.com>: Sep 13 06:45PM -0400

On 13/09/2016 23:24, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
 
> What part of what I wrote was wrong? I thought the Romans beat the
> living shi% out Him... Then killed Him. No?
 
If Jesus wasn't killed then surely, by the process of deduction and
elimination, we can confidently deduce that there was no body called
Jesus. What we are seeing in pictures or reading in bible is a big
story for the masses to pass time during an era when there was no TV,
Radio or Computers. People needed something to do at night so they
started inventing stories and entertained themselves.
 
Rick has made this into a religion and now he is trying to fool
everybody here.
 
He should be stoned to death. We should ask the Chinese to deal with
him because Chinese don't believe in such stupidity; No wonder they are
prospering while people like Rick are putting us behind them because of
lies and story telling.
David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>: Sep 13 12:43PM +0200

On 12/09/16 22:19, Vir Campestris wrote:
>> There are good reasons for UTF-8 being the most common encoding on the
>> net, even in those countries.
 
> The servers are probably running Linux?
 
The content on the servers is independent from the server OS. And most
content is produced on desktops (which are usually not Linux). Choice
of server-side languages and frameworks might have some influence, however.
 
Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu>: Sep 13 03:32PM -0700

>> a single wchar_t object.
 
> I think the point is that wchar_t has to be wide enough to
> support all the characters of the implementation's execution set.
 
More specifically, all members of the largest extended character
set specified among the supported locales. I knew that part
already - it was quoted in my posting.
 
> Windows supports UTF-16, including characters that require more
> than one code unit with UTF-16 encoding.
 
I'm not sure how that statement connects to the Subject: line
in a way that is "exceedingly obvious" (and I realize it was
Alf, not you, that said that), but anyway I will let that slide.
 
> wchar_t is not sufficient to support all the characters in a
> Win32 C++ implementation, so having 16-bit wchar_t is
> non-conforming on Win32.
 
You missed a step. This conclusion assumes that because
Windows "supports" UTF-16, there must be a supported locale
that includes all of those characters. I believe neither the C
standard nor the C++ standard requires that. At the very
least, I don't know what portions of the standards force that
conclusion. Implementations have to document what decisions
they make in this regard, but nothing forces them to hew to
this or that API of the underlying OS. Similarly, an
implementation that represents 'char' using ASCII could be
conforming running on an OS that uses EBCDIC. It might be a
silly decision, but it isn't necessarily a non-conforming one.
As it stands the above statement begs the question.
 
Can anyone quote chapter and verse to provide a compelling
answer to this question?
Ike Naar <ike@iceland.freeshell.org>: Sep 13 05:17PM

>> syntax", so it would be easy and tidy to use the same
>> notation whenever possible.
 
> Not quite the same. E.g.
 
std::string s{5, 'x'};
 
does not mean the same as
 
std::string s(5, 'x');
 
What's the differenece?
"Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com>: Sep 13 07:34PM +0200

On 13.09.2016 19:17, Ike Naar wrote:
 
> does not mean the same as
 
> std::string s(5, 'x');
 
> What's the differenece?
 
The first gives a string with the two values char(5) and char('x').
 
The second gives a string with five char('x') values.
 
This is also a problem with `std::vector`.
 
• • •
 
To work around that problem in new code we need some way to have named
constructors, preferably a way that's better than the Named Constructor
Idiom (which is just a factory function).
 
And just the other day I had an idea for that, namely a namespace
convention where types in `cs` are Constructor Selectors.
 
In order to support multiple definitions of the same name I envisioned a
simple template support and convention, like this:
 
namespace cs {
template< class Type >
struct Constructor_selector {};
}
 
so that one can define e.g.
 
namespace cs {
using Sequence = Constructor_selector<struct Sequence_>;
using Times = Constructor_selector<struct Times_>;
}
 
and write e.g.
 
String{ cs::Sequence(), 5, 'x' }
+
String{ 'x', 5, cs::Times() }
 
• • •
 
I think it would be better, it would be good, if there was something
like ADL that would look up a type or other name that's used in a
constructor invocation, in that constructor's class. Then one could
define such types or value names in the class, and avoid the less
readable qualifications. But alas, I think there's no chance of that!
 
 
Cheers & hth.,
 
- Alf
Victor Bazarov <v.bazarov@comcast.invalid>: Sep 13 02:18PM -0400

On 9/13/2016 2:00 PM, Stefan Ram wrote:
> { stringfromlist s{ 2, 65 }; ::std::cout << s << '\n'; }}
 
> Above, »string ... 2, 65« always means »two 'A'«, and
> »stringfromlist ... 2, 65« always means »(char)2« and »'A'«.
 
No, not *always*. If you'd have written ...2, 'A'..., then _always_.
Not on all systems ASCII encoding it used, see EBCDIC.
 
V
--
I do not respond to top-posted replies, please don't ask
ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram): Sep 13 05:30PM

>does not mean the same as
>std::string s(5, 'x');
>What's the differenece?
 
The first one is called »direct-list-initialization«
and the second one »direct-initialization«.
 
(Direct-)list-intialization prefers initializer-list
constructors (8.6.4) by »13.3.1.7 Initialization by
list-initialization [over.match.list]«, unless the
initializer list has no elements and T has a default
constructor.
ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram): Sep 13 06:00PM

>The first gives a string with the two values char(5) and char('x').
>The second gives a string with five char('x') values.
>This is also a problem with `std::vector`.
 
Well, "problem"?
 
It sounded like this to me:
 
||What's the difference between "5+2" and "5-2"?
|
|The first one gives 7 and the second one 3.
|
|This is also a problem with "*" and "/".
 
>In order to support multiple definitions of the same name I envisioned a
>simple template support and convention, like this:
 
I sometimes used something like this:
 
#include <iostream>
#include <initializer_list>
#include <ostream>
#include <string>
 
using namespace ::std::literals;
 
struct string : public ::std::string
{ //using ::std::string::string;
string( size_type const n, char const c ):
::std::string( n, c ){}; };
 
struct stringfromlist : public ::std::string
{ stringfromlist( char const n, char const c ):
::std::string{ n, c }{};
stringfromlist( ::std::initializer_list< char > const list ):
::std::string( list ){}; };
 
void p( ::std::string const s ) { ::std::cout << s << '\n'; }
int main ()
{ { string s( 2, 65 ); ::std::cout << s << '\n'; }
{ string s{ 2, 65 }; ::std::cout << s << '\n'; }
{ stringfromlist s( 2, 65 ); ::std::cout << s << '\n'; }
{ stringfromlist s{ 2, 65 }; ::std::cout << s << '\n'; }}
 
Above, »string ... 2, 65« always means »two 'A'«, and
»stringfromlist ... 2, 65« always means »(char)2« and »'A'«.
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