Tuesday, September 6, 2016

Digest for comp.lang.c++@googlegroups.com - 25 updates in 5 topics

"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Sep 06 12:26PM -0700

Recorded on the "Computer History" YouTube channel:
 
https://www.youtube.com/user/ComputerHistory
 
-----
Bjarne Stroustrup speaks about some of his design considerations in
creating C++. Recorded in March, 1994:
 
"The Design of C++" lecture by Bjarne Stroustrup
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69edOm889V4
 
-----
Here is his oral history. Recorded in February, 2015:
 
"Oral History of Bjarne Stroustrup"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO0PXYMVGSU
 
Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin
Real Troll <real.troll@trolls.com>: Sep 05 09:40PM -0400

On 05/09/2016 19:52, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Jesus is God.
 
I thought this man is de-facto God:
 
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"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Sep 05 06:57PM -0700

Real Troll wrote:
> > Jesus is God.
 
> I thought this man is de-facto God:
> [snip]
 
There is a worldwide movement to merge genders, and faiths.
There is a movement to render Biblical Christianity impotent and
powerless by attempting to merge in these ideas of genderless and
simply loving one another people.
 
It is the final thing spoken of by the prophets and Jesus Himself
regarding the end-most times, and is the immediate precursor
to the full-throttle one world religion / one world government
that's coming, and will be the Luciferian teaching of self-love,
and self-worship, under the guise of loving one another, and not
rebuking one another under the true authority of God.
 
The wheat is being separated from the tares. People will either be
deceived, or they will seek the truth to great personal cost and be
saved.
 
Jesus is calling out to all, and all who hear and respond will be saved.
The rest will pursue the direction of the world right into their own
eternal destruction.
 
These end times are described in scripture as a woman in labor, and
things are moving very quickly now. We're close to 10cm, and the time
for deliverance is upon us.
 
Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Sep 05 07:53PM -0700

Listen to this service. Listen to his teaching and guidance:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pupPSlzZmkw
 
Your literal soul is at stake. You will live on after death. The
determination about whether you live in the paradise of Heaven,
or the fires of Hell, comes down to exactly one thing:
 
What did you do with Jesus Christ?
 
-----
There is a true teaching that will lead you to eternal life. It comes
only from Christianity, and the blood stained Savior who died on
the cross to save you.
 
Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin
Neelam <neelam@somewhere.org>: Sep 06 01:18PM -0400


>> You are wrong here. In C++ we have other creators and _we_
>> create them. We just call them constructors.
 
> They're at notably different levels of indirection. :-)
 
Not to mention different levels of *existence*! :-)
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Sep 06 10:38AM -0700

On Tuesday, September 6, 2016 at 1:18:29 PM UTC-4, Neelam wrote:
> >> create them. We just call them constructors.
> > They're at notably different levels of indirection. :-)
> Not to mention different levels of *existence*! :-)
 
Are you so blind, Neelam? Can you look around and see evidence of the
existence of God in all places, at all times, and in all directions? Can
you see that even the act of looking out to find the existence of God
demonstrates His existence, for you are using eyes, and a mind, and an
entire bodily design created to keep your tissue living, one wrought of
such a complexity at the level of DNA that it could not have come about
by mere random chance.
 
This complexity in design screams of a grand designer. And in the Bible,
we learn who that designer is, and we also learn who we are:
 
http://biblehub.com/kjv/psalms/14.htm
1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt,
they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
 
We are all filthy in sin before Him. Yet He is not content to merely
judge us. He has sent His Son into the world to save all who will
receive Him. And for those who do, He restores them to the intents and
purposes He had in mind before sin came in and destroyed everything.
 
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Will you look with your eyes, and consider with your mind, and seek out
the truth, Neelam? Or will you gloss over reality, taking what you
receive from the masses of teachers all around you who proclaim (in sin)
the non-existence of God?
 
Jesus Christ is King of kings, and Lord of lords. And He calls out to
you, so that you might be forgiven, and enter in to eternal life in a
body that never wears out. He wants with greatest passion to give this
to you ... so He's made it very easy to achieve: all you have to do is
ask Him to forgive you, and it's all yours.
 
I pray you do. I would like to see you in Heaven.
 
Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin
Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk>: Sep 06 06:43PM +0100

On 06/09/2016 18:38, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> to you ... so He's made it very easy to achieve: all you have to do is
> ask Him to forgive you, and it's all yours.
 
> I pray you do. I would like to see you in Heaven.
 
Two different New Testament gospels describe the genealogy of Jesus
Christ all the way back to Adam (the first human). Evolution is a fact
(the fossil record exists). As evolution is a fact we know humans
evolved. As humans evolved there was, genetically, no first human. As
there was no first human Adam could never have existed. As Adam never
existed Adam's descendants as described in the Bible also never existed
ergo Jesus Christ never existed.
 
/Flibble
Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk>: Sep 06 06:56PM +0100

On 06/09/2016 18:54, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> variation.
 
> "One Race, One Blood" by Ken Ham
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbODW6XO8zY&t=20m31s
 
Deluded.
 
/Flibble
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Sep 06 10:54AM -0700

On Tuesday, September 6, 2016 at 1:43:47 PM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
> existed Adam's descendants as described in the Bible also never existed
> ergo Jesus Christ never existed.
 
> /Flibble
 
Evolution is not a fact. It appears to be a fact but it crumbles under
scrutiny. A creation viewpoint gives it another explanation which is
not only plausible, it aligns with all the "discrepancies" that DNA
researchers are finding that they can't otherwise explain.
 
Watch this video and look at the incredible complexity and grand design
in DNA. This complexity cannot come about through random mutation, nor
even complex mutation. What you are seeing in the fossil record is the
evidence of speciation over time. God created a master template of each
kind, and programmed within its DNA the ability to specialize through
successive generations. But this specialization is a loss of information,
not a gain, and it has only been going on for 6,000 years:
 
"Wonder of DNA" by Dr. Georgia Purdom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ACCIu3jPrc
 
"Confirming evidence of a literal Adam and Eve" by Dr. Georgia Purdom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deV99oPnKlI
 
Here's a shorter summary version that explains it in a nutshell:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbODW6XO8zY&t=20m31s
 
Parents might have genes AaBbCc. They have children with combinations of
those genes, resulting in children with AABBCC, AABBCc, AABBcc, AABbCC,
AABbCc, and so on. But the ones which have AABBcc, for example, have lost
all of their C genes. These are still present within the DNA, but they're
no longer expressed.
 
This is how God designed life, so that it goes from the original master
template of each kind, which contains all of the genetic information for
all of the species that will come out of it, which then produces all of
the combinations of expressed genes as they go on down through the years,
which account for all of the fossil records we see in which we find
variation.
 
"One Race, One Blood" by Ken Ham
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbODW6XO8zY&t=20m31s
 
Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Sep 06 11:02AM -0700

On Tuesday, September 6, 2016 at 1:56:36 PM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
 
> > "One Race, One Blood" by Ken Ham
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbODW6XO8zY&t=20m31s
 
> Deluded.
 
The real answer is there to investigate if you're interested. You'll find
the spirit that's at work in this world, and just how pervasive that spirit
is. You can't enter a classroom, enter into a major business, be a part of
any large and influential thing in this world, without encountering it, and
in actuality, having it be the ruling and governing force in that entity's
continued access to large quantities of people.
 
The only exceptions to this are those God allows to grow up in service to
Him. And because sin is so pervasive, and the evil spirit influence is so
tempting to our sinful flesh, very few people are strong enough in their
faith to withstand the constant onslaught of attacks, and stand up for God
in real ways.
 
It takes a tremendous effort to be a devout Christian in this world. It
takes almost no effort whatsoever to go along with the status quo, and
especially so if you exhibit some special skills. So long as you're
towing the "party line," you're good to go.
 
I challenge you, Leigh ... investigate. You'll find the truth, and you'll
find that it is the exact opposite of what you've been taught.
 
Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin
Real Troll <real.troll@trolls.com>: Sep 06 02:10PM -0400

On 06/09/2016 18:18, Neelam wrote:
> Not to mention different levels of *existence*! :-)
 
What about different levels of erections? Some god believing Christians
have serious erectile dysfunction. That is why they abuse young boys.
Are you blind not to see this is real life?
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Sep 06 11:04AM -0700

I apologize for the multiple posts on some Usenet servers. Google Groups
did not post this reply properly, and I tried to correct it before I realized
what was going on. My mistake. I apologize.
 
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On Tuesday, September 6, 2016 at 1:43:47 PM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
> existed Adam's descendants as described in the Bible also never existed
> ergo Jesus Christ never existed.
 
> /Flibble
 
Evolution is not a fact. It appears to be a fact but it crumbles under
scrutiny. A creation viewpoint gives it another explanation which is
not only plausible, it aligns with all the "discrepancies" that DNA
researchers are finding that they can't otherwise explain.
 
Watch this video and look at the incredible complexity and grand design
in DNA. This complexity cannot come about through random mutation, nor
even complex mutation. What you are seeing in the fossil record is the
evidence of speciation over time. God created a master template of each
kind, and programmed within its DNA the ability to specialize through
successive generations. But this specialization is a loss of information,
not a gain, and it has only been going on for 6,000 years:
 
"Wonder of DNA" by Dr. Georgia Purdom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ACCIu3jPrc
 
"Confirming evidence of a literal Adam and Eve" by Dr. Georgia Purdom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deV99oPnKlI
 
Here's a shorter summary version that explains it in a nutshell:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbODW6XO8zY&t=20m31s
 
Parents might have genes AaBbCc. They have children with combinations of
those genes, resulting in children with AABBCC, AABBCc, AABBcc, AABbCC,
AABbCc, and so on. But the ones which have AABBcc, for example, have lost
all of their C genes. These are still present within the DNA, but they're
no longer expressed.
 
This is how God designed life, so that it goes from the original master
template of each kind, which contains all of the genetic information for
all of the species that will come out of it, which then produces all of
the combinations of expressed genes as they go on down through the years,
which account for all of the fossil records we see in which we find
variation.
 
"One Race, One Blood" by Ken Ham
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbODW6XO8zY&t=20m31s
 
Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin
Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk>: Sep 06 07:43PM +0100

On 06/09/2016 19:02, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> towing the "party line," you're good to go.
 
> I challenge you, Leigh ... investigate. You'll find the truth, and you'll
> find that it is the exact opposite of what you've been taught.
 
I said, for the avoidance of doubt, that you are deluded. This is not
an appropriate forum for religious bullshit.
 
/Flibble
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Sep 06 11:48AM -0700

On Tuesday, September 6, 2016 at 2:43:40 PM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
> > find that it is the exact opposite of what you've been taught.
 
> I said, for the avoidance of doubt, that you are deluded. This is not
> an appropriate forum for religious ...
 
This is science confirming creation, Leigh. It's in our DNA, and in the
DNA of all living things. The complexities involved are the signature
of God.
 
In addition, they've found soft tissue in fossilized dinosaur bones.
That's simply not possible with "millions of years." It is possible with
a few hundred or thousands of years.
 
I can't make you believe it, Leigh. But you're being lied to by a real
enemy. And I'm pointing you to the truth. If you have any desire to
learn of the truth ... there it is.
 
The ball's in your court. I pray you pick it up and investigate. I
would like to see you in Heaven, Leigh. I would like for you to continue
on after you leave this world.
 
Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin
Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com>: Sep 06 08:23PM +0100

>> Not to mention different levels of *existence*! :-)
 
> Are you so blind, Neelam? Can you look around and see evidence of the
> existence of God in all places, at all times, and in all directions?
 
Can I see the existence of God in all places, at all times?
 
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/police-say-woman-killed-daughter-by-shoving-crucifix-down-her-throat-arranged-body-in-shape-of-cross
 
I'm going to go with "No."
 
I cannot see the existence of God in the senseless murder of a young
woman by someone who, just like you, was so utterly convinced that she
was an agent of God's will that she had lost all reason.
Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid>: Sep 06 06:14AM

> int num = owners.size ();
 
size() doesn't return an int!
 
> }
> }
> }
 
That's an O(n^2) algorithm, while std::erase() uses an O(n) algorithm.
 
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Luca Risolia <luca.risolia@linux-projects.org>: Sep 06 11:16AM +0200

On 05/09/2016 20:56, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> What is the best way to loop and remove a member of a std::vector
> instance variable ? The current code is:
 
As an alternative approach from using std::vector::erase() every time,
consider a way to mark one or more elements in the vector as "unused"
instead.
"Öö Tiib" <ootiib@hot.ee>: Sep 06 07:16AM -0700

On Tuesday, 6 September 2016 12:16:35 UTC+3, Luca Risolia wrote:
 
> As an alternative approach from using std::vector::erase() every time,
> consider a way to mark one or more elements in the vector as "unused"
> instead.
 
One may be able to use something with faster erase than vector or mark
elements "removed" instead of erasing or somehow avoid inserting the
elements (that will be later erased) into container at the first place.
 
Those solutions are how to think out of the box to solve some actual
problem that we know nothing of, so we can't use those approaches
for to erase elements from vector. ;-)
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com>: Sep 06 12:30PM -0500

On 9/6/2016 4:16 AM, Luca Risolia wrote:
>> instance variable ? The current code is:
 
> As an alternative approach from using std::vector::erase() every time, consider a way to mark one or more elements in the vector as
> "unused" instead.
 
I thought about just marking the pointers as nullptr in the vector. But then I could not use owners.push_back (newOwner) and would
have to search for any nullptr elements first.
 
I am thinking about reversing the search. That is my normal method and don't know why I did not do it this time. Much safer than
modifying the index variable directly.
 
std::vector <DataGroup *> owners; is an class instance variable.
 
int DataItem::removeOwner (DataGroup * ownerDG)
{
int num = owners.size ();
 
for (int i = num - 1; i >= 0; i--)
{
if (owners [i] == ownerDG)
{
owners.erase (owners.begin () + i);
}
}
}
 
Thanks,
Lynn
Paavo Helde <myfirstname@osa.pri.ee>: Sep 06 09:32PM +0300

On 6.09.2016 20:30, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> }
> }
> }
 
This is still algorithmically worse (O(N*M)) than std::remove +
std::vector::erase (O(N)) - where M is the typical multiplicity of values.
 
Cheers
Paavo
David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>: Sep 06 08:47AM +0200

On 06/09/16 00:16, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> and your obsession for Flibble? Why is one less healthy than the other?
 
> It's simple. I reply to him when he is writing to me. He replies to me
> even when I am discussing something with someone else.
 
You don't actually know how Usenet groups work, do you? I'll give you a
hint - it is not a dialogue.
 
But the difference here is that Mr Flibble keeps replying to Jerry,
because he finds Jerry madly irritating. Jerry keeps replying because
he is a troll - a solid proportion of his Usenet posts have no purpose
other than to annoy people (with most of the rest being to deny his
previous mistakes).
Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net>: Sep 06 09:12AM -0400

On 9/6/2016 2:47 AM, David Brown wrote:
> he is a troll - a solid proportion of his Usenet posts have no purpose
> other than to annoy people (with most of the rest being to deny his
> previous mistakes).
 
David, I was on usenet since the start - and on email servers before the
first usenet servers got started.
 
Yes, it is a dialog - a dialog between at least two people, and often
multiple people. It is seldom a monologue - except in a few people's cases.
 
And no, I'm not the one who goes around posting personal information
about people. That's what trolls do. And no, I don't post just to
annoy people. I try to educate them on the language. However, some,
like you, will not listen to other views; you just dismiss them because
they don't agree with your limited knowledge.
 
People like you aren't interested in learning. You are only interested
in arguing. That does not a good programmer make.
 
I'm here to help people who want to be helped. But some like you only
want to argue.
 
And I call things like I see them. When I see someone acting like an
arsehole, I tell them they are acting like an arsehole. Does it make me
popular? No - but I really don't give a damn what people like you think
of me, anyway.
 
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jstucklex@attglobal.net
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David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>: Sep 06 04:31PM +0200

On 06/09/16 15:12, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> previous mistakes).
 
> David, I was on usenet since the start - and on email servers before the
> first usenet servers got started.
 
I've heard those stories before.
 
> Yes, it is a dialog - a dialog between at least two people, and often
> multiple people. It is seldom a monologue - except in a few people's cases.
 
My apologies - I had meant to say it is not a /duologue/, i.e., a
dialogue between only two people. The point is that anyone here is free
to join in any threads. You don't get to complain that Mr. Flibble
joins in during other discussions.
 
 
> And no, I'm not the one who goes around posting personal information
> about people. That's what trolls do.
 
I strongly disapprove of posting personal information about people. I
have not done so, nor have I seen you doing so. In Usenet, people are
the sum of their posts - it a poster wants people to know more about who
they are, then that poster should share the information. Much as I
dislike you and the way you write, I think it is completely wrong for
people to post personal information about you (whether it be true or
completely fabricated - I don't know and don't care).
 
> And no, I don't post just to
> annoy people. I try to educate them on the language.
 
If that is really the case, then you are an abysmal failure. You are
regularly seriously wrong about both C and C++, and show a total
inability to learn from anyone else - including the many language
experts in these groups. And even if and when you are correct, you are
unable to express yourself in a way that would help anyone - a teacher
that insults his pupils is no teacher.
 
> However, some,
> like you, will not listen to other views; you just dismiss them because
> they don't agree with your limited knowledge.
 
If you look at my posting history, you will see many times when I have
accepted being wrong, or thanked people for correcting me or giving me
new information. I have had very little occasion to tell /you/ that I
have been wrong and you were right, simply because there have been very
few occasions when you /were/ right and I was wrong.
 
 
> People like you aren't interested in learning. You are only interested
> in arguing. That does not a good programmer make.
 
No, I am interested in learning. On the rare occasions when you say
something correct and interesting, I listen. You usually spoil it by
getting carried away with a small and incorrect detail, which is a
shame. I am still convinced that deep down you have some useful
knowledge and experience that you could share with people - it's just a
pity that you hide it beneath such a quantity of insults, arguments,
factual errors, and other noise.
 
> arsehole, I tell them they are acting like an arsehole. Does it make me
> popular? No - but I really don't give a damn what people like you think
> of me, anyway.
 
Well, that final point certainly seems to be true.
Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net>: Sep 06 11:20AM -0400

On 9/6/2016 10:31 AM, David Brown wrote:
 
>> David, I was on usenet since the start - and on email servers before the
>> first usenet servers got started.
 
> I've heard those stories before.
 
And they are true.
 
> dialogue between only two people. The point is that anyone here is free
> to join in any threads. You don't get to complain that Mr. Flibble
> joins in during other discussions.
 
I never said it was anything different. Don't put words in my mouth.
 
And you obviously didn't read what I said about Mr. Flibble, either.
 
> dislike you and the way you write, I think it is completely wrong for
> people to post personal information about you (whether it be true or
> completely fabricated - I don't know and don't care).
 
And it was something Flibbie did - but only someone totally obsessed
would go to all that trouble.
 
> experts in these groups. And even if and when you are correct, you are
> unable to express yourself in a way that would help anyone - a teacher
> that insults his pupils is no teacher.
 
No, you just refuse to learn. I have taught thousands of programmers on
three continents. They are eager to learn. And not one of them has
ever complained I taught them wrong.
 
I have also learned from hundreds of great programmers over the years.
They have taught me a huge amount, and I appreciate their teachings.
 
> new information. I have had very little occasion to tell /you/ that I
> have been wrong and you were right, simply because there have been very
> few occasions when you /were/ right and I was wrong.
 
No, you only *think* you were right and I was wrong. Determining the
endianness at compile time is a perfect example. You said it could not
be done. I showed you it could. Rather than admit you were wrong, you
tried to change the rules. It doesn't work.
 
Another example is your interpretation of the standards. You are wrong
on several accounts, but will not admit it. For instance, in the case
of struct layout, every time I show you a problem with your
interpretation, you say "I'm right if you don't do that". You just will
not admit your interpretation is incorrect.
 
> knowledge and experience that you could share with people - it's just a
> pity that you hide it beneath such a quantity of insults, arguments,
> factual errors, and other noise.
 
Your actions have proven otherwise.
 
>> popular? No - but I really don't give a damn what people like you think
>> of me, anyway.
 
> Well, that final point certainly seems to be true.
 
Nope, I learned long ago that life is too short to worry about things
like that. I worry about things that matter in my life. And like it or
not, you don't.
 
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Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org>: Sep 05 05:16PM -0700

> On 06.09.2016 01:17, Keith Thompson wrote:
[...]
>> My point is that "Windows ANSI" is a misnomer.
 
> In that, you're right.
 
> But I have not written or implied it's not.
 
You use the phrase without pointing out that it's incorrect.
 
> Please provide a quote to back up that implied assertion.
 
From upthread:
 
Unfortunately in Windows the default g++ standard library
implementations expect Windows ANSI, i.e. incompatible with the
compiler's C++ execution character set, and there's no way to
change the locale to an UTF-8 one.
 
 
> I believe some of them are ANSI and ISO standards, but maybe not.
 
>> but they were never approved.
 
> Please provide evidence that they were submitted for standardization.
 
Quoting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_code_page#ANSI_code_page :
 
ANSI Windows code pages, and especially the code page 1252,
were called that way since they were purportedly based on drafts
submitted or intended for ANSI. However, ANSI and ISO have not
standardized any of these code pages.
 
My statement seems to have been imprecise.
 
 
> I think you're just trying to associate with me with the silly notions
> that you APPEAR to be arguing against.
 
> If so then that's not very honest argumentation.
 
I think you're overreacting to my criticism. You referred to "Windows
ANSI". There's really no such thing, though it's a common misuse.
 
[snip]
 
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