| David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>: Oct 25 09:49AM +0200 On 24/10/17 23:00, Öö Tiib wrote: > with their lives than to display disrespect towards you or Brian or > to explain source of such disrespect. "Better" was meant in sense of > "more beneficial" for pursuing whatever goals they might have. People want this newsgroup to be primarily about C++. Some don't mind a little off-topic banter on occasion - some don't want /any/ off-topic threads. But nobody wants endless repeats about how Rick "loves" us so much that he will do anything to drive people up the wall. It is crazy stuff - the kind that either gets you locked up in a padded cell, or locked up behind bars for running a dangerous sect. We don't want repeats of how everybody in the world is evil unless they take part in a ego boost project to re-write all software and redesign all hardware. Nobody wants endless repeats about how Brian's online code generator or SaaS is the best idea since sliced bread, and that anyone writing code in any other way is outdated. Nobody wants to hear how Brian is the Noah of the modern age, come to save us all from Java. Nobody wants endless repeats about how the evils of the world all come from people who love each other, but just happen not to match some tribal rules from a few thousand years ago. If Brian and Rick were willing to rub two brain cells together and give coherent arguments and rational thought on their off-topic subjects, it might be a little interesting for an occasional break from programming life. (Parroting old books, regurgitating something you heard from youtube, and circular reasoning do not count.) But they fail to do that. So what should people do about posters like these two? You can ignore them entirely - that is what most people do. You can tell them to sod off - some people do that, in the hope that they will eventually get the message. You can patiently explain the problem, give them advice, recommend ways they can get on better with other people. Nothing has helped so far, so what would you suggest? Certainly taking them seriously is out of the question - even most serious, dedicated Christians see these two as crackpots who do more harm than good with their "evangelism". If they are, in fact, right and we are in a war between the Devil and God then those two are the Devil's front-line recruiters. You talk about respect and disrespect. Respect is a sort of variable quantity in a relationship between two people. It starts of fairly neutral - some people have higher basic respect for strangers, others have lower. Through interaction, it goes up or down. Brian and (especially) Rick have shown an extraordinary level of disrespect towards these technical newsgroups and the people in it - they have worked hard to earn /disrespect/. People will treat them accordingly. (And I would say that telling people where they stand is a sign of respect for them as a person, while disrespecting their posts.) Of course, respect is not just a scaler quantity. It is fine to have respect for Brian's C++ skills, or the programming work and thoughts of Rick, while having nothing but contempt for their evangelism and their bigotry. It is not always easy to keep these separate, but it is possible. I am happy to take part in technical threads with either of them. |
| "Öö Tiib" <ootiib@hot.ee>: Oct 25 08:56AM -0700 On Wednesday, 25 October 2017 11:01:36 UTC+3, David Brown wrote: > their "evangelism". If they are, in fact, right and we are in a war > between the Devil and God then those two are the Devil's front-line > recruiters. Their views are served too repetitively and in boring, unattractive and dogmatic manner. That may be does disservice to the views they praise but it also makes the whole group to look uninteresting and reduces potential readers of it. Pragmatically it is worth to consider what can be or can't be done. Sources of repetitive and uninteresting noise in non-moderated forum can't be shut. Talking with them does not work. So what remains is to ignore and/or to filter them on one hand and to post more on-topic stuff on the other hand. That is just IMHO, YMMV. > worked hard to earn /disrespect/. People will treat them accordingly. > (And I would say that telling people where they stand is a sign of > respect for them as a person, while disrespecting their posts.) I did talk about disrespect just to agree with Rick that displaying it towards him or Brian is waste of time. > Rick, while having nothing but contempt for their evangelism and their > bigotry. It is not always easy to keep these separate, but it is > possible. I am happy to take part in technical threads with either of them. It is elementary human right to be zealous about something or to be prejudiced against somebody. Just that it is boring to read them. |
| "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net>: Oct 25 12:13PM -0400 On 2017-10-25 03:49, David Brown wrote: ... > But nobody wants endless repeats about how Rick "loves" us so much ... I'm fairly certain that Rick does. Doesn't he count as somebody? > Nobody wants endless repeats about how Brian's online code generator ... I'm fairly certain that Brian does. Doesn't he count as somebody? |
| woodbrian77@gmail.com: Oct 25 09:42AM -0700 On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 11:21:21 AM UTC-5, James R. Kuyper wrote: > I'm fairly certain that Rick does. Doesn't he count as somebody? > > Nobody wants endless repeats about how Brian's online code generator ... > I'm fairly certain that Brian does. Doesn't he count as somebody? And the person who has been laid off and becomes an entrepreneur by necessity -- http://webEbenezer.net/about.html Brian Ebenezer Enterprises http://webEbenezer.net |
| "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Oct 25 05:53AM -0700 This sermon from 1954 came through one of my news feeds today. It is a powerful reminder of how Christ should be in our lives. He keeps us focused on things of Him, of our future, of the age to come, and not on the sin and sin's effects upon this world leading us to despair in our lives down here in this world. This world is only for a time. There is real hope for all mankind: https://billygraham.org/audio/the-cure-for-discouragement/ Thank you, Rick C. Hodgin |
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