Tuesday, August 14, 2018

Digest for comp.lang.c++@googlegroups.com - 12 updates in 3 topics

Nikki Locke <nikki@trumphurst.com>: Aug 14 10:23PM

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Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu>: Aug 14 11:53AM -0700


> <snip>
 
> bas cannot know the actual runtime type of the SomeClass
> reference. [.. elaboration ..]
 
That's true, but I didn't say it did. In fact I mentioned
already that this might not be known at compile time. Here is
that paragraph; note the last sentence:
 
and there is a call to bas() where (this is important) the
dynamic type of the argument is SomeClass, the same thing is
true: any member function calls 'blah.something(...)' in the
definition of bas() do not depend on whether the member function
something() is virtual or not -- which function gets called is
the same as in the foo() case. (That property holds even though
we may not actually know at compile time that it does.)
 
The point of the example is that when the dynamic type is the
same as the static type, virtualness doesn't matter as far as
calls in bas() itself is concerned. The same principle holds
whether an object is passed by reference or by value. But when
an object is passed by value, the dynamic type of the _parameter_
will /always/ be the same as its static type, because calls by
value discard any additional dynamic type that may have been
contained in the _argument_. Call by reference is essential for
the usual object-oriented mechanisms in C++ to work.
Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com>: Aug 14 08:17AM +1200

On 14/08/18 05:36, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
 
> I do not believe that. And the evidence does not show millions of
> years. They've found blood cells and soft tissue in dinosaur bones
> they claim are 65M years old. It's not possible.
 
https://letterstocreationists.wordpress.com/dinosaur-soft-tissue/
 
--
Ian.
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Aug 13 06:27PM -0700

On Monday, August 13, 2018 at 6:22:00 PM UTC-4, Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
> > outright or by again claiming it is the "work of Satan".
 
> We must keep in mind that Satan was (is?) the GOOD GUY in
> Christian belief.
 
Satan brought us sin. He temped Adam to sin, and when Adam agreed
to follow Satan's guidance instead of God's guidance, sin entered
in, and with it all death, disease, and decay.
 
Satan is not a good guy. He winds up burning forever in the lake
of fire:
 
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+20%3A10&version=KJV
 
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of
fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet
are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
 
Sin is the enemy. Jesus takes away sin. He is the "good guy," and
all of us have sin, and all of us need Him to forgive us so we won't
join Satan in the lake of fire.
 
This information is offered by God through Christians to all people.
It's before you. You can examine it to see if we're pushing some
agenda, or if we're teaching you the truth.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se>: Aug 13 10:18PM

On Mon, 2018-08-13, Mr Flibble wrote:
> to the contrary (such as fossils) are an invention of Satan -- he just
> isn't credible. Normally I wouldn't bother but as he irritatingly spams
> his insane beliefs to the group he is fair game.
 
Surely you mean /the rest of us/ are fair game.
 
/Jorgen
 
--
// Jorgen Grahn <grahn@ Oo o. . .
\X/ snipabacken.se> O o .
"Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com>: Aug 14 12:21AM +0200

On 13.08.2018 22:51, Mr Flibble wrote:
> matter being unrelated to dinosaurs.  Of course Rick will react to that
> attack on his world-view by either denying that scientific finding
> outright or by again claiming it is the "work of Satan".
 
We must keep in mind that Satan was (is?) the GOOD GUY in Christian belief.
 
While their psychopathic God took delight in murdering newborn
Egyptians, making Abraham /nearly/ kill his child, making an Israeli
general /actually/ kill his child (just because she was the first person
he saw when he got home), and killing off the whole population of Earth
in a flood, and making laws where children should be stoned to death for
disobeying their parents, and so on and so forth, including the original
sin which he orchestrated and then relentlessly punished mankind for,
while their God did all that
 
their Satan the Deserter from God tried his somewhat incompetent best to
make people think for themselves and turn away from God's authoritarian
terror regime, promising them heaven on Earth (just a forecast) if they
did, which of course -- as today -- they refused to do...
 
And here we are.
 
More seriously, I think it's fair to conclude that the authoritarianism
of the three Abrahamistic religions has had mostly negative influence on
the development of a technological civilization, especially in Europe,
suppressing science there for roughly 2000 years, but also in the Middle
East, where they never got out of that religious morass. Rick is an
example that even in Europe and the US there are people who never got
out, who still deny science. Stat fact (by Gallup): 80% of US citizens
disbelieve evolution, they think the Christian God had a hand in it...
 
 
Cheers!,
 
- Alf (off-topic religion bashing mode)
"Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid>: Aug 13 08:54PM -0700

On 8/13/2018 3:21 PM, Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
>> that attack on his world-view by either denying that scientific
>> finding outright or by again claiming it is the "work of Satan".
 
> We must keep in mind that Satan was (is?) the GOOD GUY in Christian belief.
 
I have to humbly disagree in a sense.
 
<sci-fi>
Imvvho, Satan is like some sort of goody too shoes pendant stab you
directly in the back piece of feces. It can entice a "child" wrt a human
vs the knowledge and sheer power of the devil itself. If the target
finally ends up listening, and does evils bidding: Satan instantly
attacks by ratting him out to God. Saying something cra% like:
 
"Look at your so called blessed child God! Look at the horrific things
is has done. What a scum bag. Ahh, let the target burn in hell forever!
Ha!!"
 
God replies:
 
"My Child would have never even thought of such things oh devil, you old
snake; dragon, hydra of lies and terrible demonic deception. You taught
him evil my son, therefore you are sentenced to death for using your
superior intellect for pure evil games cast out upon my innocent
children. Your fiery arrows of hell are a horrific abomination of my
holy will. Rest in peace ol' dragon of garbage. Ker BLAST! Kaboom...."
</sci-fi>
 
[...]
boltar-in-hell@thecylonsarecoming.com: Aug 14 08:52AM

On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 00:21:48 +0200
>More seriously, I think it's fair to conclude that the authoritarianism
>of the three Abrahamistic religions has had mostly negative influence on
>the development of a technological civilization, especially in Europe,
 
Not necessarily, there were pluses and minuses. A thousand years ago Islam
was actually fairly progressive and saved a lot of knowledge of the greeks
and romans that might otherwise have been lost and also had a big influence
on mathematics, all of which in turn helped the european renaissance. Its only
recently its turned into a religion for psychopaths and idiot sheep.
 
As far as christianity goes, the religion itself certainly helped cultural
and artistic endeavours and a lot of early scientists such as newton were
true believers - though whether that was because they were that way inclined or
simply because of the culture of the day is anyones guess. Also the church
kept records and gave people some sort of education which they otherwise
wouldn't have received, albeit most of it religious.
 
>example that even in Europe and the US there are people who never got
>out, who still deny science. Stat fact (by Gallup): 80% of US citizens
>disbelieve evolution, they think the Christian God had a hand in it...
 
Tbh its probably not just the US where thats the case. And lets not forget
that evolution is quite a complex topic and the average IQ in the west is
only 100 - thats the *average*, half of people are even dumber than that.
And in sub saharan africa its around 70 which explains a lot about that
continent, but thats another discussion:
 
https://iq-research.info/en/average-iq-by-country
 
However I don't think Rick is stupid going by his answers to programming
issues, he's in the 2nd category - the brain washed. Maybe one day he'll
wake up and realise the Bible is just story a book (and like all the best lies
has a grain of truth here and there) written by men and mistranslated down the
centuries , maybe not.
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Aug 14 11:38AM -0400

> wake up and realise the Bible is just story a book (and like all the best lies
> has a grain of truth here and there) written by men and mistranslated down the
> centuries , maybe not.
 
I used to believe as you do. I mocked Christians, thought they were
weak, brainwashed, etc. But something happened to me in 2004. I was
asked questions by a Christian I didn't know the answer to. I could
not honestly say I knew definitively if I was right or wrong in my
beliefs about Biblical teachings because I had not read the Bible,
but only remembered what I had learned in church growing up, and in
my Youth Group, etc.
 
So I reckoned within myself that I would read the Bible with my co-
worker (the Christian who had asked me questions) so I could read what
it said, get a solid understanding, and then be able to systematically
dismantle his beliefs / arguments when I had the facts.
 
However, when I set my sights on knowing the truth about the Bible
said, my heart was then changed from within by God. He drew me to His
Son and was able to see Him as God, as Savior, and I knew I was a sin-
ner who needed forgiveness. I asked Him to forgive me and have been
forever changed.
 
I've tried (in my flesh, in my life) on many occasions to go back to
the ways of the world. But once you are born again, the old man no
longer exists as the sole existence you possess. You are augmented by
the forgiveness from God. It brings you alive spiritually, which then
changes everything about your perspectives, thinkings, goals, etc.
 
You are still here in this sinful body, and it still drives you toward
all manner of worldly things, but the spirit continues to guide you,
and God continues to come for you when you get too far off the path He
would have you be on.
 
-----
It is a literal transformation. New life out of prior death. And
until it happens to a person, it's not something their flesh can know,
so they can only conclude it is insanity, or brainwashing. But when
it does happen, that person is transformed.
 
It's why I've told Leigh and others to NOT TAKE MY WORD FOR IT, but to
go to people in a local church around you, ask for people who have been
"born again for real," and ask them about the change.
 
I'm not asking anyone to believe me. I'm telling you what happened to
me, and I'm telling you to go and verify this from others as well.
 
I'm asking you to seek the truth, so that you can also find it.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
boltar@cylonHQ.com: Aug 14 03:58PM

On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 11:38:29 -0400
>> centuries , maybe not.
 
>I used to believe as you do. I mocked Christians, thought they were
>weak, brainwashed, etc. But something happened to me in 2004. I was
 
I don't mock people for believing. If you want to believe it thats up to you.
But I believe you're brain washed and/or you're trying to fill some emptyness
in yourself.
 
>asked questions by a Christian I didn't know the answer to. I could
 
Just because you didn't know the answer to them doesn't mean there weren't
any.
 
Anyway, whatever makes you happy.
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Aug 14 12:07PM -0400


> Just because you didn't know the answer to them doesn't mean there weren't
> any.
 
> Anyway, whatever makes you happy.
 
You bear my exact sentiments and arguments before I was saved. I
made a video about it back in 2008:
 
Seeing Jesus' Eyes in November 2003:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ivvvs8ZqPUA
 
This dream was on the night of October 31/November 1, 2003, nine
months to the day before I accepted Christ as my Savior.
 
--
Rick C.
Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk>: Aug 14 06:37PM +0100

On 14/08/2018 17:07, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ivvvs8ZqPUA
 
> This dream was on the night of October 31/November 1, 2003, nine
> months to the day before I accepted Christ as my Savior.
 
Jesus Christ never existed though; he is a fictional character made up by
a couple of Romans in the latter half of the first century.
 
/Flibble
 
--
"Suppose it's all true, and you walk up to the pearly gates, and are
confronted by God," Bryne asked on his show The Meaning of Life. "What
will Stephen Fry say to him, her, or it?"
"I'd say, bone cancer in children? What's that about?" Fry replied.
"How dare you? How dare you create a world to which there is such misery
that is not our fault. It's not right, it's utterly, utterly evil."
"Why should I respect a capricious, mean-minded, stupid God who creates a
world that is so full of injustice and pain. That's what I would say."
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