Friday, November 16, 2018

Digest for comp.lang.c++@googlegroups.com - 14 updates in 5 topics

Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid>: Nov 16 09:48PM

On 15/11/2018 22:07, Stefan Ram wrote:
> AFAIK, now there C++ is reported to
> be faster than C! Finally after all those years and
> all those efforts by many contributors, C++ has won!
 
That's odd.
 
There shouldn't be anything you can do in C++ you can't do in C - albeit
with more pain.
 
Andy
scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal): Nov 16 09:51PM


>That's odd.
 
>There shouldn't be anything you can do in C++ you can't do in C - albeit
>with more pain.
 
And "won"? It's not a contest.
Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com>: Nov 16 10:09PM


> That's odd.
 
> There shouldn't be anything you can do in C++ you can't do in C - albeit
> with more pain.
 
How about implenting efficient qsort function? C++ beats C there and
this is std function...
 
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"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Nov 16 06:49AM -0800

On Friday, November 16, 2018 at 9:24:12 AM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
> > third is not seen, but is the dominion of God, a paradise.
 
> The problem is, Rick, that this scripture you mention is, as I have stated
> already, only half the story: The Bible is a disinformation campaign...
 
It isn't. You're being deceived into believing that by the
enemy's of God who desire to keep you away from that future
God's offering you through His own sacrifice in your place,
to set you free from the judgment of sin.
 
I can only offer you the truth, Leigh. I cannot make you
believe it, nor is it my job to do so. I tell you the way
things are ... I'm not responsible for your response to it.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk>: Nov 16 03:24PM

On 16/11/2018 14:49, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> enemy's of God who desire to keep you away from that future
> God's offering you through His own sacrifice in your place,
> to set you free from the judgment of sin.
 
No, you are mistaken. The 100th Cycle is true because it is written in
the 100th Cycle that what is written in the 100th Cycle is true. The
100th Cycle clearly states that the book known as "The Bible (Abrahamic
Edition)" is pet toy sku number #42666.
 
 
> I can only offer you the truth, Leigh. I cannot make you
> believe it, nor is it my job to do so. I tell you the way
> things are ... I'm not responsible for your response to it.
 
You cannot offer me any truth whilst you remain blinded by pet toys. I
suggest you read the Buttered Scone (Sin) Manifest for yourself so you can
finally see the truth.
 
/Flibble
 
--
"You won't burn in hell. But be nice anyway." – Ricky Gervais
 
"I see Atheists are fighting and killing each other again, over who
doesn't believe in any God the most. Oh, no..wait.. that never happens." –
Ricky Gervais
 
"Suppose it's all true, and you walk up to the pearly gates, and are
confronted by God," Bryne asked on his show The Meaning of Life. "What
will Stephen Fry say to him, her, or it?"
"I'd say, bone cancer in children? What's that about?" Fry replied.
"How dare you? How dare you create a world to which there is such misery
that is not our fault. It's not right, it's utterly, utterly evil."
"Why should I respect a capricious, mean-minded, stupid God who creates a
world that is so full of injustice and pain. That's what I would say."
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Nov 16 08:22AM -0800

On Friday, November 16, 2018 at 10:24:52 AM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
> the 100th Cycle that what is written in the 100th Cycle is true. The
> 100th Cycle clearly states that the book known as "The Bible (Abrahamic
> Edition)" is pet toy sku number #42666.
 
Your thinking is natural for a person, Leigh. What it does not
possess is an acknowledgement of absolute truth, which is God
originating real information that is not part of a deception.
 
You look at things only through eyes that see the ability to
lie / cheat / deceive. You do not acknowledge the possibility
that God has preserved His written word for our edification
and benefit. You do not see that a God of truth and power could
actually exist. You only see what sin allows you to see, which
is the full-on, widespread, pervasive corruption seen here in
this world (all of which is the result of sin only, and is not
part of God's plan for mankind, but the side-effect of man's
sin and rebellion producing this effect here on this Earth).
 
-----
No one can teach you to trust in God. If you cannot see His hand
at work in the miracle of birth, in the complex nature of the
many physics theories, of chemistry, of the arrangement of the
many species in nature, the diversity of life, yet its many many
similarities, etc... then it's not for you to know the things of
God, because all of the knowledge of God is gifted to those who
will be saved by God, so they can know the truth, and that truth
will make them free. The rest will never be able to have any
knowledge of God, because such knowledge comes from the spirit,
and is not of the flesh. And because of sin our spirit is dead,
and we cannot know the things of the spirit without God directly
intervening in our existence to "prime us" to be led toward His
Son where we ask forgiveness, and then receive our own spirit
and are saved.
 
If you want to know the truth ... pursue it. If you want to go
on asserting what you think you already know ... there is then
no hope for you whatsoever. The choice is yours.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Nov 16 08:33AM -0800

On Friday, November 16, 2018 at 11:23:12 AM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> If you want to know the truth ... pursue it. If you want to go
> on asserting what you think you already know ... there is then
> no hope for you whatsoever. The choice is yours.
 
Note: This pursuit of truth is not something you can accomplish
on your own, but it begins with the attitude in your heart. You
have to get to the place where you're able to say truthfully,
"Okay, I may be wrong in what I think today. If I am wrong, then
I do want to know the truth."
 
If you can get to that place, then God will do the rest. He will
bring you to truth, and truth to you. It's the only way you will
find it, because in sin in your flesh-only nature, you cannot
know truth, but only be deceived. It takes an act of God to over-
ride your flesh, to pour out His Holy Spirit drawing, to lead you
in ways you cannot lead yourself, so you can come to know the truth
and be saved.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk>: Nov 16 04:41PM

On 16/11/2018 16:22, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
 
[snip tl;dr]
 
Anti-gravity shoes, mate.
 
/Flibble
 
--
"You won't burn in hell. But be nice anyway." – Ricky Gervais
 
"I see Atheists are fighting and killing each other again, over who
doesn't believe in any God the most. Oh, no..wait.. that never happens." –
Ricky Gervais
 
"Suppose it's all true, and you walk up to the pearly gates, and are
confronted by God," Bryne asked on his show The Meaning of Life. "What
will Stephen Fry say to him, her, or it?"
"I'd say, bone cancer in children? What's that about?" Fry replied.
"How dare you? How dare you create a world to which there is such misery
that is not our fault. It's not right, it's utterly, utterly evil."
"Why should I respect a capricious, mean-minded, stupid God who creates a
world that is so full of injustice and pain. That's what I would say."
Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk>: Nov 16 04:42PM

On 16/11/2018 16:33, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
 
[snip tl;dr]
 
Anti-gravity shoes, mate.
 
/Flibble
 
--
"You won't burn in hell. But be nice anyway." – Ricky Gervais
 
"I see Atheists are fighting and killing each other again, over who
doesn't believe in any God the most. Oh, no..wait.. that never happens." –
Ricky Gervais
 
"Suppose it's all true, and you walk up to the pearly gates, and are
confronted by God," Bryne asked on his show The Meaning of Life. "What
will Stephen Fry say to him, her, or it?"
"I'd say, bone cancer in children? What's that about?" Fry replied.
"How dare you? How dare you create a world to which there is such misery
that is not our fault. It's not right, it's utterly, utterly evil."
"Why should I respect a capricious, mean-minded, stupid God who creates a
world that is so full of injustice and pain. That's what I would say."
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Nov 16 10:36AM -0800

On Friday, November 16, 2018 at 11:42:03 AM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
> [snip tl;dr] ...
 
It's like that movie by Kevin Smith where there's one of those
3D images and if you stare at it and your eyes adjust you can
see what it is. And there's this guy who's been there staring
at it all day and cannot see it. But at one point a little boy
walks up, stares for just a few seconds, identifies what it is,
smiles, laughs, and then walks off.
 
There are some who will never come to know Christ. Others will.
The message of salvation is given for those who will, and it is
given as evidence against those who will not.
 
Every person is given the opportunity to be a part of God's
eternal Kingdom. All who receive His free offer / gift of sal-
vation will be a part of it. The rest will not.
 
-----
Ponder these things, Leigh. Consider you may be wrong in your
current thinking. Ask God to lead you to the truth. Ask Him
to uncover your eyes if they be covered, and to open your mind
if it be closed. He will do this, if you are truly seeking.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk>: Nov 16 08:04PM

On 16/11/2018 18:36, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Friday, November 16, 2018 at 11:42:03 AM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
>> [snip tl;dr] ...
 
[snip]
 
Anti-gravity shoes, mate.
 
/Flibble
 
--
"You won't burn in hell. But be nice anyway." – Ricky Gervais
 
"I see Atheists are fighting and killing each other again, over who
doesn't believe in any God the most. Oh, no..wait.. that never happens." –
Ricky Gervais
 
"Suppose it's all true, and you walk up to the pearly gates, and are
confronted by God," Bryne asked on his show The Meaning of Life. "What
will Stephen Fry say to him, her, or it?"
"I'd say, bone cancer in children? What's that about?" Fry replied.
"How dare you? How dare you create a world to which there is such misery
that is not our fault. It's not right, it's utterly, utterly evil."
"Why should I respect a capricious, mean-minded, stupid God who creates a
world that is so full of injustice and pain. That's what I would say."
Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org>: Nov 16 01:56PM -0500

> Jeff-Relf.Me/Diff.PNG
 
> See also: gMail.C and X.CPP in "Jeff-Relf.Me/X.ZIP".
> Visual Studio 2017, Windows-10.
 
One thing to note is that Port 465, like 587 is the SMTP Submission
port, which will (or at least should) have you authenticate to the
server that you are allowed to use it to distribute messages. 587 is the
more standard port, and 465 is legacy support for TLS.
 
Port 25 is for SMTP transport, and a server should only accept messages
on that port that it is authorized to deliver mail to, it is for
INCOMING email.
 
Some systems have improperly accepted submission on port 25, but this
causes all sorts of issue to avoid becoming an open relay and being
marked as a spam source.
"Öö Tiib" <ootiib@hot.ee>: Nov 16 07:04AM -0800

On Friday, 16 November 2018 12:23:16 UTC+2, Paul wrote:
> What does the compiler feedback say about whether the computations
> are skipped in the way described above?
> Many thanks for your comments, and for all help previously given.
 
Unoptimized code is specially generated bad performing
one-to-one translation. That is for to make it possible to step
through our algorithm logic with debugger. Additionally the
compiler or library implementation may instrument code that
is built for debugging with run-time checks that standard
does not require. Such thing does not perform in any way
similarly to actual product so there are no point to measure
performance of debug builds.
 
Optimizer however tries to achieve maximally well performing
results. So part of the calculations done with constant values
it can do compile time. Calculations done in loop with same,
unchanged arguments it may do once and reuse the result.
Calculations whose results cause no side effects it may leave
not done and so on. So naive performance tests of optimized
builds can also give nonsensical results.
 
I see such optimized main of yours in godbolt.org:

main:
xor eax, eax
ret
"Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com>: Nov 16 10:48PM +0800

On 11/16/2018 10:33 PM, Wolf K wrote:
> molecular q-bits could be more stable, ie, could be made at higher
> temperatures. In any case, portable q-machines will not be available,
> since the chips will ahve to be cooled to near absolute zero.
 
Quantum is just a different magic wand! There is nothing new there!
 
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