Thursday, April 7, 2016

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Vlad from Moscow <vlad.moscow@mail.ru>: Apr 07 03:34AM -0700

On Thursday, April 7, 2016 at 1:14:38 PM UTC+3, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle
> jstucklex@attglobal.net
> ==================
 
Read this quote:)
 
"I know what's incorrect - as I suspect do the people who downvoted you.
And insisting incorrect code is correct is a good reason for banning. "
 
What is better "to suspect" or to write in a comment what is wrong with the code?:) It looks like "I am so smart that I wil say never what is wrong":)
Chris Vine <chris@cvine--nospam--.freeserve.co.uk>: Apr 07 01:45PM +0100

On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 15:57:28 -0700 (PDT)
Vlad from Moscow <vlad.moscow@mail.ru> wrote:
[snip]
> down-votings because the answer is correct and the down-votings only
> confuse other readers of the question and the answer I was banned.:)
 
> SO searches for any reason to ban me.:)
 
I think that you should welcome your new status. Stack Overflow is a
cesspit, peopled in part by obsessives who are so occupied by their
search for badges and reputation points that they do obnoxious things
like doing people's homework for them in the hope of winning additional
points. Some of its adherents also seem to be people who cannot accept
they can be wrong about anything and do nothing else all day, and are
just general assholes. These people may be proportionately small but
they have a disproportionate effect on the site.
 
I suspect some people also just enjoy the power-trip of downvoting or
baiting others.
 
It also has the fundamental flaw that the person who determines whether
to accept an answer as correct is the person least qualified, namely
the person with the lack the knowledge which prompted the question in
the first place.
 
So it is a flawed model. If I were you I should enjoy your new position
and find other places to exercise your tutorial skills.
 
Chris
Vlad from Moscow <vlad.moscow@mail.ru>: Apr 07 07:29AM -0700

On Thursday, April 7, 2016 at 3:45:20 PM UTC+3, Chris Vine wrote:
 
> So it is a flawed model. If I were you I should enjoy your new position
> and find other places to exercise your tutorial skills.
 
> Chris
 
 
In fact any question is a somebody's homework. You can not do or you do not know how to do what you should do yourself and you ask a question. The difference is only in the level of knowledge and experience.
 
It is a very bad behaviour that somebody tries to dictate others whether to answer a question or not.
 
Usually programmers with very low qualification vote to close a question. I usually see profiles of those who voted to close a question and in more than 90% they are people either with a low qualification or with a low reputation.
 
I also sometimes vote to close a question when it is titally unclear what is asked or there is an irrelevant code.
 
But if a question is clear it is not important for me whether it is a somebody's homework. The question is interesting per se.
 
For example there are many exercises related to recursive functions that deals with digis of a number. But I first time encountered these assignment in the question
 
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/36435991/3-recursion-problems-beginner-c/36436517#36436517
 
So it is interesting for myself to write corresponding function and compare my solution with other solutions.
 
It is well-known that such answers get little scores. So there is no great sense to do them to high your reputation.
 
Or another question that I answered in the same day
 
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/36458904/one-pair-of-its-elements-sum-to-n-with-c-program/36459438
 
As you can see it was intentially down-voted.:0
 
I have no a job. So I need some practice to write code.:) It seems I more code at SO in my answers than anybody else.:)
 
For example some other answers in these days
 
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/36456836/delete-duplicate-elements-in-linked-list/36457460#36457460
 
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/36437461/safe-way-to-concat-two-strings-in-c/36437698#36437698
 
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/36416355/ordering-a-matrix-like-a-snake-c/36416648#36416648
 
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/36354609/sorting-array-of-pointers-to-integers/36355088#36355088
 
As you can see in fact all my answers provide ready to use solutions and it is only me who sometimes answers questions.
 
And also as you can see these my answees add little points to my reputation.:)
 
Nevertheless this annoys many particpants who think that they are professional programmers have high payed jobs but can not write code.:)
 
And moderators conduct an anti-Russian policy. It is so obvious that I got accoment about this from other participant of some other country.:)
 
SO is a fascist site without any doubts.:)
"Öö Tiib" <ootiib@hot.ee>: Apr 07 08:39AM -0700

On Thursday, 7 April 2016 17:29:38 UTC+3, Vlad from Moscow wrote:
 
> And moderators conduct an anti-Russian policy. It is so obvious that I got accoment about this from other participant of some other country.:)
 
> SO is a fascist site without any doubts.:)
 
Open your eyes and get rid of your boolean worldview about people.
Chris Vine wrote that you got suspended on site colored by
assholes. Those are most likely assholes bullying you there. You
use word "fascist" as prerogative term about bully or as pejorative
term about anti-Russian and both are wrong.
 
Fascism is authoritarian nationalism. The goal of fascists is to get
everything in country that matters under totalitarian control of one
nationalist party. That is it. There are people with fascist views in
every country including Russia. Most of fascists are simply highly
devoted followers of certain nationalist party.
 
Assholes on the other hand are just extreme egoists, they assume
that they deserve more benefits and rights than others but have
less responsibilities. In short they are unfair about anyone especially
about people they dislike and in general regard most other people
like dirt.
 
Some of both kinds can be anti-Russian, some pro-Russian and some
are certainly Russians themselves. Large tragedy indeed that you were
suspended by assholes of SO. That may be among best things that
has happened to you and it has likely nothing to do with you being
Russian.
Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid>: Apr 07 05:45PM +0200

On Thu, 07 Apr 2016 09:44:36 +0200, Rosario19 wrote:
 
>is ok fascist for me
 
pheraps i was too much hard...excuse me
Bo Persson <bop@gmb.dk>: Apr 07 06:28PM +0200

On 2016-04-07 00:57, Vlad from Moscow wrote:
 
> Now I am banned after my correct answer to this question
 
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/36435991/3-recursion-problems-beginner-c/36436517#36436517
 
> It is evident that at first my correct answer was down-voted without any comments that would explain what is wrong in the presented code.:)
 
Asking someone to do your homework is specifically off topic for the site.
 
When you provide an answer to an off topic post, you must expect some
other users to dislike that. Downvoting doesn't always mean that the
answer is technically wrong, but that posting it could be wrong never
the less.
 
 
Bo Persson
Wouter van Ooijen <wouter@voti.nl>: Apr 07 08:15PM +0200

Op 07-Apr-16 om 2:45 PM schreef Chris Vine:
> to accept an answer as correct is the person least qualified, namely
> the person with the lack the knowledge which prompted the question in
> the first place.
 
Accepting an answer signifies that it is the answer that the asker
deemed most usefull. No more than that. I dunno about other sites, but
on SO-EE the rating is determined much more by the peer voting than by
the accepting.
 
Wouter van Ooijen
Vlad from Moscow <vlad.moscow@mail.ru>: Apr 07 01:27PM -0700

On Thursday, April 7, 2016 at 7:29:02 PM UTC+3, Bo Persson wrote:
> answer is technically wrong, but that posting it could be wrong never
> the less.
 
> Bo Persson
 
 
A post is considered as off topic by voting. The process of voting takes time. In this period of time some users can answer the question. Moreover some topics that were hold can be reopened anew. I myself reopened posts that were marked as duplicates because in my opinion they are not duplicates.
 
And it is entirely unimportant whether a question is a homework or not. It can be your own invented exercise, or an exercise from a book, or your attempt to solve some task that you found somewhere, for example in internet.
 
As I said already it is only idiots bother that some question can be a homework. I always consider any question whether it is interesting from the programming point of view, or whether it is a new question for me and so on.
 
It is you right not to answer a question and even to voit to close it as it is my right to answer a question and for example to voit to reopen it. And I need not somebody's personal permission to answer a question that is interesting to me.
 
So down-voting a correct answer only because you do not like that someone answered the question while you yourself did not want to answer it by any reason means that the down-voting is made in revenge.
 
If to follow this logic any answer will be downvoted in revenge and nobody especially beginners will not know whether the down-voted answer is correct and solves the task described in the question. This will only confuse readers of the question.
 
In this case the whole system of reputations does not make any sense.
Vlad from Moscow <vlad.moscow@mail.ru>: Apr 07 01:54PM -0700

On Thursday, April 7, 2016 at 7:29:02 PM UTC+3, Bo Persson wrote:
> answer is technically wrong, but that posting it could be wrong never
> the less.
 
> Bo Persson
 
 
Moreover there is a dirty trick.
 
Usually beginners do not know what answer to accept. In this case they take into account what answer is most upvoted.
 
Thus a correct answer intentially is down-voted that another more weak answer would be accepted.:)
 
By the way as you can see my answer
 
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/36435991/3-recursion-problems-beginner-c/36436517
 
was already down-voted one more time.:)
 
What is the reason? Nothing more than the revenge.:)
Wouter van Ooijen <wouter@voti.nl>: Apr 07 11:55PM +0200

Op 07-Apr-16 om 10:27 PM schreef Vlad from Moscow:
 
>> Bo Persson
 
> A post is considered as off topic by voting. The process of voting takes time. In this period of time some users can answer the question. Moreover some topics that were hold can be reopened anew. I myself reopened posts that were marked as duplicates because in my opinion they are not duplicates.
 
> And it is entirely unimportant whether a question is a homework or not. It can be your own invented exercise, or an exercise from a book, or your attempt to solve some task that you found somewhere, for example in internet.
 
You indeed said so but that doesn't make it true. What counts is the
rules of the site. You can disagree with the rules (I totally agree with
this aspect - but I disagree with some others), and you can discuss the
rules and try to get them changed. If in the end you still disagree so
much that you don't want to be on the site - the internet is free: don't
post, create your own equivalent site, but don't cry like a baby.
 
And if you realy think that you being a Russian makes any difference and
you feel participation in the site is more important than patriotism -
why not use an anonymizer and subscribe as Jerry the Redneck?
 
Wouter van Ooijen
David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>: Apr 07 10:26AM +0200

On 06/04/16 18:24, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> Otherwise the system won't work for more than a few hours at most.
 
> That depends entirely on the operating system, doesn't it. Some small
> embedded operating systems may not, in fact, release the resources.
 
Usually on such systems, there is no "program termination", until
someone turns off the power. The OS and the application code are
normally linked together statically, and the tasks or threads are
created at startup and run without stopping - very often, heap memory is
only ever allocated at the beginning of the program, and is never freed.
 
But if you have threads that start and stop, then these will have to
release their own resources - OS'es do not usually handle that
automatically.
Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net>: Apr 07 06:18AM -0400

On 4/7/2016 4:26 AM, David Brown wrote:
 
> But if you have threads that start and stop, then these will have to
> release their own resources - OS'es do not usually handle that
> automatically.
 
On many systems, yes. But not all systems; there are some systems which
start/stop applications as necessary. Many of these have limited RAM,
but some systems (mostly older ones) are single-tasking so they have to
stop/start programs when necessary.
 
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Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid>: Apr 07 09:32PM +0100

On 05/04/2016 21:56, Paul wrote:
> The interview is by phone so it's not limited to any single planet. It's very common for the interviewer and interviewee to be located on different planets and to communicate by interplanetary phones.
 
Our site services people told us they were installing IP phones. I
didn't realise that was what they meant!
 
Andy
Ramine <ramine@1.1>: Apr 07 12:40PM -0700

Hello,
 
 
I have posted about my USL programs here in this C++ group
because i have included the 32 bit and 64 bit windows executables
of my USL programs inside the zip file, so if you want to use
my programs, please do so.
 
 
From now on i will not about my USL programs here in this
C++ group.
 
 
Thank you,
Amine Moulay Ramdane.
Ramine <ramine@1.1>: Apr 07 12:47PM -0700

I correct, please read again...
 
Hello,
 
 
I have posted about my USL programs here in this C++ group
because i have included the 32 bit and 64 bit windows executables
of my USL programs inside the zip file, so if you want to use
my programs, please do so.
 
 
From now on i will not post about my USL programs here in this
C++ group.
 
 
Thank you,
Amine Moulay Ramdan
Mr Flibble <flibble@i42.co.uk>: Apr 07 06:04PM +0100

On 07/04/2016 20:47, Ramine wrote:
> my programs, please do so.
 
> From now on i will not post about my USL programs here in this
> C++ group.
 
You've said that before and yet you persist in spamming this newsgroup
with crap.
 
/Flibble
Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com>: Apr 08 07:19AM +1200

On 04/08/16 05:04, Mr Flibble wrote:
 
> You've said that before and yet you persist in spamming this newsgroup
> with crap.
 
Use a decent news server and you won't see its spam...
 
--
Ian Collins
Mr Flibble <flibble@i42.co.uk>: Apr 07 09:22PM +0100

On 07/04/2016 20:19, Ian Collins wrote:
 
>> You've said that before and yet you persist in spamming this newsgroup
>> with crap.
 
> Use a decent news server and you won't see its spam...
 
Your news server doesn't show that guy's spam? What news server is that?
 
/Flibble
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Ramine <ramine@1.1>: Apr 07 12:49PM -0700

Hello....
 
 
And from now on i will not post about my USL programs here in this
comp.arch group.
 
 
Thank you,
Amine Moulay Ramdan
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