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| woodbrian77@gmail.com: Jul 16 10:25PM -0700 I posted this in another thread, but that thread is hidden I guess. I think this page is helpful: http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/2901/jewish/How-Old-is-the-Universe-According-to-Judaism.htm The following is from someone who commented on the above link: Q: What is the first record of the universe being finite? A: "In the beginning" Q: What is the first products of the Universe? A: A duality of darkness & Light, which were then separated to produce two products. Q: What is the age of the Universe and the Earth according to Genesis? A: Billions of years for each, as per the separations of light & darkness; and water from land - prior to life emerging. Q: What is the first listing of life form groupings, later called as species? A: Genesis first chapter, listing life form groupings from vegetation to speech endowed humans. Brian Ebenezer Enterprises - In G-d we trust. http://webEbenezer.net |
| "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid>: Jul 16 10:55PM -0700 > The following is from someone who commented on the above link: > Q: What is the first record of the universe being finite? > A: "In the beginning" Why does the universe have to be finite? This is going to sound crazy, but I have always had the gut feeling that our universe is contained in a black hole in our parent universe. A star went hyper nova; created a black hole; and something special happens inside of it. The right particles collide, and bam! A whole unique child universe is born, with a radically different sense of time than the parent. I think a super massive black hole can contain a child universe, that can have children of its own. Our universe has parents, and they have parents. Its turtles all the way down. This does not answer the question of where it all came from... Well, perhaps it was never created, always existed, and will never perish. |
| "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com>: Jul 17 01:54PM +0200 On 17.07.2016 07:55, Chris M. Thomasson wrote: >> Q: What is the first record of the universe being finite? >> A: "In the beginning" > Why does the universe have to be finite? Good question. Special relativity is incompatible with a spatially finite closed universe, that is, one that can be circumnavigated. The simplest demonstration that I know is to send two photons in the same direction around the universe, from the same point in space-time, but emitted from two systems A and B moving relatively to each other in the same direction axis as the photons go. Say system A is moving with the photons. Then system B, the system that's moving to meet its photon, will encounter it first (after the photon has crossed around the universe). But in special relativity there is no difference between A and B and there are no special directions to emit photons in, so in SR they must encounter their circumnavigated photons after the same time as measured in each system, except they can't. > black hole; and something special happens inside of it. The right > particles collide, and bam! A whole unique child universe is born, with > a radically different sense of time than the parent. Two problems with that: • It just pushes the need for an explanation one level away. Essentially the containing black hole serves as a deity, with respect to explanatory power. • To the degree that there is any interaction with it, any effect whatsoever, that containing structure is part of our universe. > all the way down. This does not answer the question of where it all came > from... Well, perhaps it was never created, always existed, and will > never perish. Worth noting that an infinite universe doesn't need a creation. Also worth noting that it doesn't need a single, short creation: a still continuing creation of matter and energy is consistent with all that's observed so far, except conservation laws – but all ¹popular models include violations of conservation laws for the purpose of creation. Anyway that's my personal view of our universe: that we're living in the ongoing creation. ;-) Cheers & hth., - Alf Notes: ¹ In the ongoing shrinkage view, where things just get smaller and smaller over time, misleadingly known as the "big bang" theory, the conservation laws are violated in the long super-shrinking phase that's misleadingly known as the "inflation" phase. |
| "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net>: Jul 17 07:28AM -0500 "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com> wrote in message news:nmfroj$um1$1@dont-email.me... > include violations of conservation laws for the purpose of creation. > Anyway that's my personal view of our universe: that we're living in the > ongoing creation. ;-) Now all you have to do is get your mind comfortable with words like always, never and infinite so they actually have meaning for you. |
| "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com>: Jul 17 03:45PM +0200 On 17.07.2016 14:28, Osmium wrote: >> the ongoing creation. ;-) > Now all you have to do is get your mind comfortable with words like > always, never and infinite so they actually have meaning for you. Please elaborate if there is an intended meaning. Thanks, - Alf |
| Chris Vine <chris@cvine--nospam--.freeserve.co.uk>: Jul 17 05:24PM +0100 On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 22:25:37 -0700 (PDT) > I posted this in another thread, but that thread is hidden I guess. > I think this page is helpful: Brian, Please fuck off. This is off topic. |
| woodbrian77@gmail.com: Jul 17 03:13PM -0700 On Sunday, July 17, 2016 at 11:24:31 AM UTC-5, Chris Vine wrote: Chris, please don't swear here. Evolution and the age of the universe are discussed in this newsgroup. |
| "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Jul 16 05:36PM -0700 On Saturday, July 16, 2016 at 6:32:33 PM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote: > searches made by your potential employers. > Software engineering is based on mathematics and science not magic and > delusions and your magic and delusions do not belong here. Over time, mathematics and science are both consistently proving everything the Bible says. It is only the enemy who lies about the findings, or paints them in the world view understanding, rather than the Biblical understanding. What I have said is verifiable, Leigh, if you will search for it. You do not need to take my word for any of it, but it's there for your to research and discover for yourself. Men and women like me merely point you directly to it, but you don't need any of us to search out the truth for yourself ... you just need to set your entire focus on searching out the truth, for on the day you do ... on that day it will be found. > /Flibble I will continue to pray for you, Leigh, because I too used to be a staunch atheist who said to others more or less the same things you're saying to me. And when I came to Jesus Christ (in 2004) it took me totally by surprise, because I wasn't looking for Him. But, I was looking for the truth. I totally and completely wanted to know the real answer regarding the truth of the Bible, or the fiction of the Bible. I sought to get a right and true understanding, regardless of whether it confirmed or denied the Bible. And because I was looking for the truth, I found it. It took me months before I could come to grips with the reality of what I had found because it completely contradicted everything I held in my belief system before. But, the born again nature gives you the ability to know and understand things the flesh-only nature cannot. It's why you can't see it (you don't have that nature because God has not enabled it within you because you're not really looking for the truth). I pray you do, Leigh. I would like to see you in Heaven. Best regards, Rick C. Hodgin |
| Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com>: Jul 17 02:53AM +0200 On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 17:36:44 -0700 (PDT) > Over time, mathematics and science are both consistently proving > everything the Bible says. Sure, man can fly ... snakes can talk etc... But, the born again nature gives you the > ability to know and understand things the flesh-only nature cannot. For example? |
| Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk>: Jul 17 02:15AM +0100 On 17/07/2016 01:36, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > it (you don't have that nature because God has not enabled it within you > because you're not really looking for the truth). > I pray you do, Leigh. I would like to see you in Heaven. I would like to see you take your medication. If you don't have any medication I suggest you visit your GP in the first instance or failing that check in to your local nut house and see a psychiatrist; he will be able to prescribe you the appropriate medication. /Flibble |
| "Öö Tiib" <ootiib@hot.ee>: Jul 16 07:34PM -0700 On Saturday, 16 July 2016 22:55:47 UTC+3, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > Nature has not had billions of years. The Earth is about 6,000 years old, > and the process you're talking about as evolution is something more > interesting called diversification. We know next to nothing about our universe so almost anything is possible and any miracles are also possible. Therefore it is indeed possible that the whole universe was made 6,000 years ago. Also it is possible that it was freshly restored from backup last Friday. However it sure looks like genuinely several billions of years old thing by any ways of measuring and estimating. So if it was made only 6,000 years ago then its creator did put huge amount of effort into that *illusion* *of* *age*. Why? > up the various species, and variations within the species. Nothing that > exists can exist outside of the allowance provided for it within its own > genetic coding. That is odd claim. The whole evolutionary computation field has been designed by adopting Darwinian principles and it works with nothing being initially coded in. We can fill traits of initial population with random noise but those will inevitably evolve towards best fitting with the problem. The bigger set there is of different fitness tests the better it will evolve. > the process, genetic information is lost, such that it's impossible to go > back to the full set of information the parents had through the generation, > as only those traits which came through continue on in that line. That is deep misunderstanding of genetics and simple to falsify. The cave fishes typically lose sight within some generations since sight apparatus is complex to upkeep without any need for it in dark cave. The mutations that cause it however are random and different in different caves. Now if to breed blind fish from one cave with blind fish from other cave then some of the offspring are seeing fish again. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbODW6XO8zY&t=16m1s > To learn more about the more complex process, watch this presentation: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deV99oPnKlI People who can't write books (or at least illustrated articles) and have to lecture in YouTube are likely genuinely stupid. Stupid people are usually not been worth of my time. I thought Christian fundamentalists are at least literate? Or how else they can take Bible literally? |
| woodbrian77@gmail.com: Jul 16 10:09PM -0700 On Saturday, July 16, 2016 at 9:34:45 PM UTC-5, Öö Tiib wrote: > was freshly restored from backup last Friday. However it sure looks like > genuinely several billions of years old thing by any ways of measuring and estimating. So if it was made only 6,000 years ago then its creator did > put huge amount of effort into that *illusion* *of* *age*. Why? I think this page is helpful: http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/2901/jewish/How-Old-is-the-Universe-According-to-Judaism.htm The following is from someone who commented on the above link: Q: What is the first record of the universe being finite? A: "In the beginning" Q: What is the first products of the Universe? A: A duality of darkness & Light, which were then separated to produce two products. Q: What is the age of the Universe and the Earth according to Genesis? A: Billions of years for each, as per the separations of light & darkness; and water from land - prior to life emerging. Q: What is the first listing of life form groupings, later called as species? A: Genesis first chapter, listing life form groupings from vegetation to speech endowed humans. Brian Ebenezer Enterprises - In G-d we trust. http://webEbenezer.net |
| Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk>: Jul 12 07:44PM +0100 On 12/07/2016 01:07, Ramine wrote: > I correct some typos, please read again... You seriously need to get a clue; that or fuck off. /Flibble |
| "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com>: Jul 16 09:37AM -0400 In article <e9d17d97-39cf-4b95-9656-520b8fe54601@googlegroups.com>, woodbrian77@gmail.com says... > > him to learn anything new. > As long as we're alive there's time to mend our ways. > "An ounce of prevention is worth more than a pound of cure." And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. Dear children, let us not love with words or speech but with actions and in truth. It is to one?s honor to avoid strife, but every fool is quick to quarrel. Don?t have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness. But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless. He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. |
| Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk>: Jul 16 11:32PM +0100 On 16/07/2016 22:52, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > about 4,000 years (we don't know the months of the births). And from the > time of Jesus, it is about 2,000 years depending on where you start the > time from. I kind of feel sorry for you Rick. You are clearly deluded and the ridiculous beliefs you have just posted will be there for all to see on the Internet for quite some time to come. Whether or not you have made yourself unemployable will depend on how easily these posts appear in searches made by your potential employers. Software engineering is based on mathematics and science not magic and delusions and your magic and delusions do not belong here. /Flibble |
| "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Jul 17 04:51AM -0700 The nature of truth is unity. Truth is foundational. It always speaks with one voice. Jesus Christ is truth (John 14:6, 18:37). When He speaks, it is life and the root of it. The Bible records the history of man. It records our creation, our past, present, and future. It is God watching over His people in the face of sin, calling out to all, helping those who seek the truth to be set free from the deception made possible by sin, and the spiritual death because of sin. Jesus restores what was lost, makes us whole again, teaches us the truth so we can stamd up against the enemy's lies, and rebuke them. Truth being truth, it either is all a lie (which it isn't), or what Jesus said is correct, and is as it is. The Earth is about 6,000 years old. Each form was created by God after its kind. There was a fall when Adam sinned, and in the fall corruption and death entered in. We live in that place now. Jesus sets us free from death, from the deception, and teaches us truth so we can know the truth, and be made free. Salvation from Hell, and eternal life in the paradise of God, awaits all who receive Jesus as Lord and Savior. When they do, He takes your sin away, making you sin- free, and restoring you to eternal life through the spirit nature, the born again man (of the spirit, and not just flesh, John 3). All who seek the truth will know this, come to Jesus, and be saved. The rest will not. Jesus is life. The one way to eternal life. His offer is open to everybody without exception, no matter your sin or past. He forgives all, and sets men free. I urge each of you to seek Him, by seeking truth with a full throttle effort. Best regards, Rick C. Hodgin |
| "Öö Tiib" <ootiib@hot.ee>: Jul 17 06:48AM -0700 On Sunday, 17 July 2016 14:52:20 UTC+3, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > The nature of truth is unity. Truth is foundational. Etc. confused preaching. No, Rick. You dodged answering any of what others wrote and yammer on your nonsense with ears shut. That is rude. Did Jesus teach you to be rude with others? Truth is what is so regardless if anyone knows it, writes it, claims it or believes into it. It is what really did happen and it is what really works. Truth may be remains unknown forever. > after its kind. > There was a fall when Adam sinned, and in the fall corruption > and death entered in. We live in that place now. Why Earth looks like billions of years old planet? The light that we see from the Andromeda Galaxy takes 2.2 million years to reach Earth. Why we see it? Can serpents talk? Is Earth flat? Do Sun and Moon circle it? Is rainbow a sign of the covenant between God and life on Earth? Truth is not what a confused man wants to preach. Confused man is not God, so can't set any truths. He is just a confused man who is and remains wrong. That is all normal since man is weak and fallible. |
| "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com>: Jul 17 11:44AM -0400 In article <956aee40-bf1c-4dab-a4b8-650e46fbbd7d@googlegroups.com>, woodbrian77@gmail.com says... > Brian > Ebenezer Enterprises - In G-d we trust. > http://webEbenezer.net Why do you put a hyphen in the place of the "o" in "God"? Are you laboring under the stereotypical ignorant fundie pseudo-Christian misconception that that is His name? |
| Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk>: Jul 17 06:02PM +0100 On 17/07/2016 12:51, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > Jesus is life. The one way to eternal life. His offer is open to everybody without exception, > no matter your sin or past. He forgives all, and sets men free. > I urge each of you to seek Him, by seeking truth with a full throttle effort. You really are a fucktard aren't you mate? This is not the appropriate forum for your bullshit; an appropriate forum would be your local nut house. /Flibble |
| D Laboratory <dlaboratory@126.com>: Jul 17 02:13PM +0800 On 2016/6/7 5:03, Real Troll wrote: > I am getting excited here. Do you know what are the main changes and > which tool has already started implementing these changes. Is VS2015 > ready for it? The status of C++17 support in GCC can be checked at https://gcc.gnu.org/projects/cxx-status.html#cxx1z. And the status of C++17 support in LLVM/clang can be checked at http://clang.llvm.org/cxx_status.html. For Visual Studio 2015, check here: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/vcblog/2015/06/19/c111417-features-in-vs-2015-rtm. Some features has been implemented in VS2015 and even in earlier versions, but some features are still missing as of VS2015. DLaboratory |
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