Friday, May 26, 2017

Digest for comp.lang.c++@googlegroups.com - 22 updates in 7 topics

rami18 <coco@coco.com>: May 26 02:30PM -0400

Hello..
 
Who is God or Allah ?
 
There is still a question to ask..
 
Why God or Allah has abondonned us over this planet ?
 
This question is very serious..
 
And the answer is that the message onto the prophet Mohamed is a message
from extraterrestrials, Allah is just extraterrestrials that
are not God as we know, but those extraterrestrials are limited in there
power, it's not them who have created us and they are not God or Allah
as we know it, but those extraterrestrials have just enhanced the
prophet Mohamed to be able to invent himself the Koran, this is why the
Koran is an arab imperfection, because those extraterrestrials have not
given perfection to the prophet Mohamed, and this explains also why
those extraterrestrials have abondonned us, because they are
not so much interested in us, those extraterrestrials have
helped us a little bit to be able to organize as judaism or as
islam or as christians.
 
That's i think the true story of those religions.
 
 
Thank you,
Amine Moulay Ramdane.
rami18 <coco@coco.com>: May 26 02:31PM -0400

Hello,
 
 
This was my last post on Islam and religions.
 
 
Thank you,
Amine Moulay Ramdane.
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: May 26 11:33AM -0700

On Friday, May 26, 2017, rami18 wrote:
> [about Islam]
 
The truth about Islam:
 
A "religion of peace":
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/myths/peace.aspx
 
Lying allowed ... when Islam's agenda is advanced:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/taqiyya.aspx
 
Marriage to 6-year old, consummation when she was 9:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/muhammads-sex-life.aspx
 
Side-by-side compare Islam/Allah to Christianity/Jesus:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/jesus-muhammad.aspx
 
Muhammad died. And he is still dead. Islam teaches you must
convert people to Islam, and do so forcibly if they will not
convert, and if you cannot get them convert by applying physical
pressure and threats, then you must force them to become a type
of money-paying slave to keep them alive, or you must kill them.
They do not get more time through life and living to consider or
re-consider their decision, but are to be killed right there on
the spot, or made into a slave paying the equivalent of mob
"protection money" so they will be kept alive.
 
Islam is in all ways of the flesh, a total religion (meaning it's
all by rote and not by the spirit of God), and evil. It only
forcibly advances, or kills.
 
The only reason you don't see more overt killing in the general
Islamic population is the same reason you don't see more holy
Christians living as Jesus called us to in Christianity ...
because people are reprobate and do not follow their leader's
teachings more explicitly (as they should in the case of
Christianity because it's important, see Hebrews 12:14 -- "Follow
peace with all men, and holiness, without which no one shall see
the Lord" http://biblehub.com/hebrews/12-14.htm ).
 
-----
If you want to know what truth is, Amine, then read about the
Jesus of the Bible, and not the corrupt "Jesus" from the Quran.
You'll find a completely different person in the Quran from the
Jesus of the Bible. And if you examine the two side-by-side,
you'll see what Napoleon concluded regarding Christianity:
 
http://biblehub.com/library/schaff/the_person_of_christ/napoleon_bonaparte.htm
 
"I know men; and I tell you that Jesus Christ is not a man.
Superficial minds see a resemblance between Christ and the
founders of empires, and the gods of other religions. That
resemblance does not exist. There is between Christianity
and whatever other religions the distance of infinity.
 
"We can say to the authors of every other religion, You are
neither gods, nor the agents of the Deity. You are but missionaries
of falsehood, moulded from the same clay with the rest of mortals.
You are made with all the passions and vices inseparable from
them. Your temples and your priests proclaim your origin.' Such
will be the judgment, the cry of conscience, of whoever examines
the gods and the temples of paganism."
 
The truth is there, Amine. The real Jesus of the Bible stands at the
door of your soul and knocks. He wants to teach you the way of love,
and of peace, and of life eternal, and of being part of a community
of man looking to help and build up and strengthen one another, because
that's who He is. He wants to teach you of sin, and of the active
enemy of God who is deceiving people into believing in false religions
like Islam. He wants to reveal to you the differences between Him, and
them, so you can know the truth, and that truth will make you free.
 
You owe it to yourself to investigate this. You'll find out the key
to unlocking the transformation from being a Muslim to being a
Christian:
 
Testimony after testimony of Muslims who turned to Jesus,
and why they did so:
 
www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=youtube+muslim+to+christian
 
Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin
Vassilis Spiliopoulos <vassilis@vask1lux.de>: May 26 11:25PM +0300

On 5/26/2017 9:30 PM, rami18 wrote:
 
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Islam is a retarded religion.
Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk>: May 26 11:51PM +0100

On 26/05/2017 21:25, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:
> Islam is a retarded religion.
 
All religion is retarded.
 
/Flibble
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: May 26 04:16PM -0700

On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 6:52:22 PM UTC-4, Mr Flibble wrote:
> On 26/05/2017 21:25, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:
> > Islam is a retarded religion.
> All religion is retarded.
 
Christianity is not a religion. For some that's all it is, but
for those who are born again they know what Christianity is: A
total transformation from the inside out. It is a new birth
beyond the first birth. It's like our first birth launches us
up to a certain point, and we are amazing and wholly expressive
people of many attributes, but because of sin we are diminished,
restrained, constrained from our full nature.
 
Coming to Jesus and asking forgiveness allows us to literally
be forgiven for our sin, restoring us to a sin-free condition
before God. This restores our full nature, and that initial
launch of our first birth is then catapulted into the Heavens
and we see so much we didn't see before. We rise to a new and
truly profound relationship with God, as He dwells with us daily.
 
Jesus Christ makes all things new. Inside first, leading to
outward changes, and eternal life.
 
No religion can do that, but only God alone, and it is only the
beginning of our eternal relationship with Him, seen here on
Earth as through a glass darkly, but then after we leave this
world: Face to face.
 
Jesus forgives your sin and gives you new life, eternal life.
 
Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin
rami18 <coco@coco.com>: May 26 04:39PM -0400

Hello...
 
Here is my last post on Islam, read it carefully..
 
About extraterrestrials of the Koran
 
I have said that:
 
Who is God or Allah ?
 
There is still a question to ask..
 
Why God or Allah has abondoned us over this planet ?
 
This question is very serious..
 
And the answer is that the message onto the prophet Mohamed is a message
from extraterrestrials, Allah is just extraterrestrials that
are not God as we know, but those extraterrestrials are limited in there
power, it's not them who have created us and they are not God or Allah
as we know it, but those extraterrestrials have just enhanced the
prophet Mohamed to be able to invent himself the Koran, this is why the
Koran is an arab imperfection, because those extraterrestrials have not
given perfection to the prophet Mohamed, and this explains also why
those extraterrestrials have abondoned us, because they are
not so much interested in us, those extraterrestrials have
helped us a little bit to be able to organize as judaism or as
islam or as christians.
 
That's i think the true story of those religions.
 
So what have needed those extraterrestrials from us ?
 
They have wanted us to be more organized !
 
So i have said that:
 
So what is also the game of today ?
 
To be more professional is the game
 
But what is the definition of being more professional ?
 
It depends on the reference of your actions.
 
If the reference of your actions look like the old type of people,
you will say that being more professional is being of low level quality
of thinking and of culture..and that's the old way of thinking..
 
The new way of thinking is being optimization..
 
Because optimization says that to better survive you have to be more
disciplined in your thinking and your culture must be of higher level of
quality, So to survive better you have to think bigger and you have to
be for example multidisciplinary by knowing computer programming and by
knowing operational research and by knowing mathematics and by knowing
statistics and by knowing politics and by being more rational and more
logic. This is how i am making my way, this is why you have seen me more
efficiently discussing Islam with rationality and logic. And this is
why you have seen me constructing my political philosophy, and this
is why you have seen me implementing my softwares in front of your eyes.
 
 
Social Liberals has pointed out to how global poverty, life expectancy,
opportunity and peace are all improving. So we have to take into account
those facts.
 
Now i will return to something important about social Liberalism and
social democracy..
 
I will like theorize more social Liberalism and social Democracy..
 
I have said the following about social Liberalism and social democracy,
read it carefully:
 
Nationalism of Donald Trump lack the heuristic of flexibility using
tolerance that get you more optimized, but social Liberalism of
democrates uses the flexibility of tolerance to optimize the economic
system and the social system, nationalism is like extreme justice of
communism that lack tolerance and that can hurt economic system and the
social system.
 
I have said about morality that:
 
Justice has to constrain happiness..
 
And responsability has to constrain justice..
 
But responsability is influenced by the variable of tolerance ,
so if we are more tolerance on responsability we can higher the consumer
confidence in you and we can attract more consumers and we can penetrate
more the market of others, this is the game of social Liberalism.
 
Social Liberalism of democrates wants also to play the card of tolerance
to attract consumers and to higher consumer confidence index and to be
able to penetrate more the market of others and to optimize better the
social system, nationalism doesn't undertand it well.
 
I give you an example, i have said:
 
About Machism..
 
Real machism is violence and it's more individualistic, and it's poor
Emotional intelligence.
 
So we can not be confident with machism..
 
Donald Trump is more machist..
 
The game is also giving first to be able to receive after..
 
Machism is not good at that..
 
Economy is also knowing how to give respect and compassion
and love to be able to higher the consumer confidence in you..
 
Security is also knowing how to give compassion and love and respect
to receive more security..
 
Machism is not good at that...
 
That's also the game Sir, and that's also Emotional intelligence.
 
So as you have noticed nationalism and machism are not good at
optimization with the flexibility of tolerance, but social Liberalism
and social democracy are good at it, so if you want for example to open
more the market of China to American goods and services, you have to
know how to be "tolerance" that knows how to give respect and compassion
to better receive in the future, and China has to know how to apply the
division of labour and how to apply Adam Smith's specialization Theory
to be more optimized.. so as you have noticed the flexibility of
tolerance plays the role of like an heuristic that optimize better the
economic system and social system.
 
Immigration is the same, social Liberalism and social Democracy uses
the heuristic of tolerance towards immigrants by for example accepting
arab immigrants even if arab immigrants are not as beautiful as white
europeans, and this is done to be able to optimize better the economic
system and social system with the flexibility of "tolerance".
 
And i have explained also to you about the heuristic of "tolerance" that:
 
Capitalism also wants to optimize, and capitalism says for example
that even arabs are not as beautiful as white europeans, it says that
arabs are tolerable, because capitalism wants to optimize economy
and the society by bringing arabs immigrants that are also decent
people, because today we are constrained by many factors, and
optimization has been rendered by those constrains to as the following:
 
If you are useful for something like jobs and economy or/and useful to
low birth rate of white europeans or/and you are useful to higher the
consumer confidence index and/or and you are useful to better the world
order and security , you can be welcome to USA or other countries..
 
About America and the world..
 
Before, operating systems like OS/2 of IBM were a monolithic OSs ,
but as the time has gone by we have developed more sophisticated
OSs like Mach 3 or Windows NT, those sophisticated OSs were more
decentralized and were designed in a such a way to be more efficient
and managed better, the difference between a monolithic one and not
monolithic one is like programming with message passing or Object
oriented programming, and we have also the tendency to decentralize the
management of our societies to be more efficient, it's the same
for capitalism , capitalism tries to optimize better by not
being as monolithic as the old way of thinking of Hitler, so
today because of constrains on optimization, usefulness is interpreted
not as being as beautiful as white europeans or being as civilized as
white europeans to better optimize the system economically.. it's
like decentralizing to better optimize, now to not get extremist,
you have to know how to tune correctly optimization to better optimize
and to not cause problems to societies.
 
 
 
Thank you,
Amine Moulay Ramdane.
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: May 26 04:03PM -0700

Amine, look into Jesus Christ in the Bible.
 
If you are on a pursuit of truth, then your view of extraterrestrials
and philosophical views on things should be able to defeat the teachings
of Jesus Christ.
 
So, test your beliefs. Lay them before the court of truth, with your
beliefs on one side, and the Bible's teachings of Jesus Christ on the
other. See which one holds up to fullest scrutiny.
 
I challenge you to put your beliefs to the test.
 
Here's a quick start guide:
 
Comparing Islam's teachings to those of Christ:
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/jesus-muhammad.aspx
 
After that, go to the book of John and read about the fullest love of
God manifest in the flesh, such that all who come to Him in their sin
asking forgiveness are washed clean, born again, and gain eternal life
even while yet here on Earth:
 
Gospel of John
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mgUPt2KI08
 
God suffering ... to set us free. Love embodied for a purpose, to save
us from judgment and give us eternal life.
 
Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin
rami18 <coco@coco.com>: May 26 02:59PM -0400

Hello..............
 
 
Please read the following in the Koran:
 
"The [unmarried] woman or [unmarried] man found guilty of sexual
intercourse - lash each one of them with a hundred lashes, and do not be
taken by pity for them in the religion of Allah, if you should believe
in Allah and the Last Day. And let a group of the believers witness
their punishment." Koran [24-2]
 
And read this on the Koran:
 
"And the retribution for an evil act is an evil one like it, but whoever
pardons and makes reconciliation - his reward is [due] from Allah .
Indeed, He does not like wrongdoers." from the Surah Ash-Shuraa [42:40]
of the Koran.
 
 
Koran [42-40] is the general rule that doesn't contradict [42-2] above,
because "pity" is not pardon and is not reconciliation, so there
is no contradiction, so we have pardon on unmarried man or women found
guilty of sexual intercourse. And i say that we have to be pardon
because the general rule that must be constrained by the following rules
of the Koran, here they are:
 
Koran [4:116]:
 
"Indeed, Allah does not forgive association with Him, but He forgives
what is less than that for whom He wills. And he who associates others
with Allah has certainly gone far astray."
 
Koran [39:53-54]:
"Say, "O My servants who have transgressed against themselves [by
sinning], do not despair of the mercy of Allah . Indeed, Allah forgives
all sins. Indeed, it is He who is the Forgiving, the Merciful."
 
 
So from the rule [42:40] and the rules of [4:116] and [39:53-54] we can
affirm that Allah is forgiving and merciful and he forgives all sins,
but Allah does not forgive association with Him, so we have to take into
account what says Allah and be merciful and be pardon and be forgiveness
because Allah is Merciful and He is forgiveness and He is pardon.
 
 
This is the true Islam, Islam is also love.
 
We have to get onto rationality and logic like scientists..
 
So follow my reasonning about Koran..
 
"And the retribution for an evil act is an evil one like it, but whoever
pardons and makes reconciliation - his reward is [due] from Allah .
Indeed, He does not like wrongdoers." from the Surah Ash-Shuraa [42:40]
of the Koran.
 
This is the general rule that must be constrained by the rule [42:40]
and by the rule [39:53-54] of the Koran , this is why i have said:
 
So from the rule [42:40] and the rules of [4:116] and [39:53-54] we can
affirm that Allah is forgiving and merciful and he forgives all sins,
but Allah does not forgive association with Him, so we have to take into
account what says Allah and be merciful and be pardon and be forgiveness
because Allah is Merciful and He is forgiveness and He is pardon.
 
But you have to be carefully with Koran, because Allah speak about
the servant of Allah in [39:53-54] like this:
 
Koran [39:53-54] says:
"Say, "O My servants who have transgressed against themselves [by
sinning], do not despair of the mercy of Allah . Indeed, Allah forgives
all sins. Indeed, it is He who is the Forgiving, the Merciful."
 
 
So [42:40] is contrained by [39:53-54] , so that means that [42:40]
must be pardon and forgiveness onto the servant of Allah that just
believe in Allah even if he commit adultery or even if he don't pray,
because i said:
 
Koran [39:53-54] says:
"Say, "O My servants who have transgressed against themselves [by
sinning], do not despair of the mercy of Allah . Indeed, Allah forgives
all sins. Indeed, it is He who is the Forgiving, the Merciful."
 
So notice that "O my servants" is about what ? what is a servant of
Allah ? what is the definition of servant of Allah ? since Allah says
that he is Merciful so the one who just believe in Allah is a servant of
Allah also, that's logic and rationality, but then if you are a servant
of Allah who just believe in Allah and don't pray Allah etc. you are
still a servant of Allah and the rule of [39:53-54] apply to you, so
even if you don't pray etc. and you just believe in Allah , you are a
servant of Allah that must not despair of mercy of Allah, because Allah
says that he is Merciful on the servants of Allah, and since you just
believe in Allah so we have then to be Merciful on you and be
forgiveness on you and be pardon on you, because Allah says so, this is
the true Islam.
 
And please read what i wrote before to understand more about Islam:
 
More clarification on Koran and terrorism:
 
ISIS has interpreted that "retribution for an evil act is an evil one
like it" like: if you kill innocent people of us muslims, we will kill
innocent people of you. But this is a delicate subject, because
rationality and logic that analyse the following text of the Koran will
say without any doubt that the intention of westerns etc. that kill on
Irak and Syria is not killing innocent people, innocent people that die
from the hand of westerns is only Collateral damage , so terrorism of
ISIS and Al-Qaida on innocent people is not allowed, and Koran says also
that pardon and/or reconciliation is rewarded from Allah, so Koran is
not the rule of an eye for an eye.
 
Read again the Koran:
 
"And the retribution for an evil act is an evil one like it, but whoever
pardons and makes reconciliation - his reward is [due] from Allah .
Indeed, He does not like wrongdoers." from the Surah Ash-Shuraa [42:40]
of the Koran.
 
What says Koran about Darwin's Theory of Evolution ?
 
Koran says that Darwin's Theory of Evolution exists,
Because Koran is also science and He says:
 
Koran [71:13-14] says:
 
"What is [the matter] with you that you do not attribute to Allah [due]
grandeur, While He has created you in stages?"
 
Notice the: "While He has created you in stages?"
 
and Koran [71:17-18] says:
 
"And Allah has caused you to grow from the earth a [progressive] growth."
 
Notice again: "And Allah has caused you to grow from the earth a
[progressive] growth."
 
And about the Big Bang Koran says that:
 
Koran [21:30]
 
"Did the unbelievers (who do not accept the teaching of the Prophet) not
realize that the heavens and the earth were one solid mass, then We tore
them apart, and We made every living being out of water? Will they,
then, not believe (that We created all this)?"
 
And the Koran says about the expansion of the universe this:
 
Koran [51.47]:
 
"And it is We Who have built the Universe, and behold, We are steadily
expanding it."
 
Is the universe is expanding?
 
The American astronomer Edwin Hubble made the observations in 1925 and
was the first to prove that the universe is expanding. He proved that
there is a direct relationship between the speeds of distant galaxies
and their distances from Earth. This is now known as Hubble's Law.
 
 
About Islam again..
 
I don't think that Al-Qaida and ISIS are on the right path of Islam,
because Koran says:
 
"And the retribution for an evil act is an evil one like it, but whoever
pardons and makes reconciliation - his reward is [due] from Allah .
Indeed, He does not like wrongdoers." from the Surah Ash-Shuraa [42:40]
of the Koran.
 
This a general rule that must be constrained by the following rules of
the Koran, here they are:
 
Koran [4:116]:
 
"Indeed, Allah does not forgive association with Him, but He forgives
what is less than that for whom He wills. And he who associates others
with Allah has certainly gone far astray."
 
Koran [39:53-54]:
"Say, "O My servants who have transgressed against themselves [by
sinning], do not despair of the mercy of Allah . Indeed, Allah forgives
all sins. Indeed, it is He who is the Forgiving, the Merciful."
 
 
So from the rule [42:40] and the rules of [4:116] and [39:53-54] we can
affirm that Allah is forgiving and merciful and he forgives all sins,
but Allah does not forgive association with Him, so we have to take into
account what says Allah and be merciful and be pardon and be forgiveness
because Allah is Merciful and He is forgiveness and He is pardon.
 
 
 
This is the true Islam, Islam is also love.
 
We have to get onto rationality and logic like scientists..
 
So follow my reasonning about Koran..
 
"And the retribution for an evil act is an evil one like it, but whoever
pardons and makes reconciliation - his reward is [due] from Allah .
Indeed, He does not like wrongdoers." from the Surah Ash-Shuraa [42:40]
of the Koran.
 
This is the general rule that must be constrained by the rule [42:40]
and by the rule [39:53-54] of the Koran , this is why i have said:
 
So from the rule [42:40] and the rules of [4:116] and [39:53-54] we can
affirm that Allah is forgiving and merciful and he forgives all sins,
but Allah does not forgive association with Him, so we have to take into
account what says Allah and be merciful and be pardon and be forgiveness
because Allah is Merciful and He is forgiveness and He is pardon.
 
But you have to be carefully with Koran, because Allah speak about
the servant of Allah in [39:53-54] like this:
 
Koran [39:53-54] says:
"Say, "O My servants who have transgressed against themselves [by
sinning], do not despair of the mercy of Allah . Indeed, Allah forgives
all sins. Indeed, it is He who is the Forgiving, the Merciful."
 
 
So [42:40] is constrained by [39:53-54] , so that means that [42:40]
must be pardon and forgiveness onto the servant of Allah that just
believe in Allah even if he commit adultery or even if he don't pray,
because i said:
 
Koran [39:53-54] says:
"Say, "O My servants who have transgressed against themselves [by
sinning], do not despair of the mercy of Allah . Indeed, Allah forgives
all sins. Indeed, it is He who is the Forgiving, the Merciful."
 
So notice that "O my servants" is about what ? what is a servant of
Allah ? what is the definition of servant of Allah ? since Allah says
that he is Merciful so the one who just believe in Allah is a servant of
Allah also, that's logic and rationality, but then if you are a servant
of Allah who just believe in Allah and don't pray Allah etc. you are
still a servant of Allah and the rule of [39:53-54] apply to you, so
even if you don't pray etc. and you just believe in Allah , you are a
servant of Allah that must not despair of mercy of Allah, because Allah
says that he is Merciful on the servants of Allah, and since you just
believe in Allah so we have then to be Merciful on you and be
forgiveness on you and be pardon on you, because Allah says so, this is
the true Islam.
 
 
 
Thank you,
Amine Moulay Ramdane.
rami18 <coco@coco.com>: May 26 03:00PM -0400

Hello,
 
 
This is my last post on Islam and relgions.
 
 
Thank you,
Amine Moulay Ramdane.
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: May 26 12:44PM -0700

On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 3:00:18 PM UTC-4, rami18 wrote:
> This is the true Islam, Islam is also love.
 
Here is the truth about Allah's "love":
 
11-year old Christian girl baffles Islamic scholar with one
simple question: "Show me where in the Koran that Allah loves
me as the sinner that I am, and I will become a Muslim."
 
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/11-year-old-christian-girl-baffles-islamic-scholar-one-simple-question/
 
Where in the Quran do you find Allah saying one time that he loves
people? You don't ... because Allah does not love anyone except
those who follow him. Contrast that to Christianity:
 
1 John 4:10 -- "In this is love, not that we loved God, but
that He loved us and sent His Son to be the
propitiation for our sins."
 
Romans 5:8 -- "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that,
while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."
 
Allah exists, Amine. He is real, but he is not God Almighty. He
is merely another name for Satan. He is the chief liar. And he
is misleading you toward religion, and away from saving grace and
eternal life.
 
> We have to get onto rationality and logic like scientists..
 
If you stick with man's rationale, then you are dealing only with
the corrupt flesh. You must go to another place, which is where
God Almighty guides people, which is to spirit, for only in the
spirit is there real life, eternal life, and a restoration from
our sin:
 
1 Corinthians 2:14 -- "But the natural man receiveth not the
things of the Spirit of God: for they
are foolishness unto him: neither can
he know them, because they are spiritually
discerned."
 
This is why you cannot see Jesus as God Almighty, Amine. You are
still looking at things only through our flesh-based eyes, our
flesh-based reason. You are not looking for the truth, but only
looking at what you think your flesh would tell you is the truth,
but I remind you that we are fallen in sin. We age. Get sick.
Our bodies fail and we die. This is not the way of God's creation
per His design, but it is the way of God's creation under the fall
of man, under the weight of sin.
 
-----
The Quran is an evil doctrine of hate. Jesus went to the cross to
save us in our sin while we were still sinners. He came to do that
which we could not do on our own because of our sin. A murderer,
no matter how many good works he might later do, is still a murderer.
With us, as sinners, no matter how many good works we might do, we
are still sinners, and that means we are under the judgment of God.
 
The truth is before you in the Bible, Amine. I challenge you ...
in fact I double-dog dare you to pursue the Jesus of the Bible and
find any fault in Him. What you will find when you investigate the
Jesus of the Bible, is that He teaches you about yourself, about
your sin, about your need for salvation, and that you cannot achieve
these things without a Savior. And He'll teach you that He is that
Savior, and that He came to save you because He loves you.
 
I pray you do this, Amine. Your entire eternity is riding on it.
 
Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin
rami18 <coco@coco.com>: May 26 01:50PM -0400

Hello..
 
 
More clarification on Koran and terrorism:
 
ISIS has interpreted that "retribution for an evil act is an evil one
like it" like: if you kill innocent people of us muslims, we will kill
innocent people of you. But this is a delicate subject, because
rationality and logic that analyse the following text of the Koran will
say without any doubt that the intention of westerns etc. that kill on
Irak and Syria is not killing innocent people, innocent people that die
from the hand of westerns is only Collateral damage , so terrorism of
ISIS and Al-Qaida on innocent people is not allowed, and Koran says also
that pardon and/or reconciliation is rewarded from Allah, so Koran is
not the rule of an eye for an eye.
 
Read again the Koran:
 
"And the retribution for an evil act is an evil one like it, but whoever
pardons and makes reconciliation - his reward is [due] from Allah .
Indeed, He does not like wrongdoers." from the Surah Ash-Shuraa [42:40]
of the Koran.
 
What says Koran about Darwin's Theory of Evolution ?
 
Koran says that Darwin's Theory of Evolution exists,
Because Koran is also science and He says:
 
Koran [71:13-14] says:
 
"What is [the matter] with you that you do not attribute to Allah [due]
grandeur, While He has created you in stages?"
 
Notice the: "While He has created you in stages?"
 
and Koran [71:17-18] says:
 
"And Allah has caused you to grow from the earth a [progressive] growth."
 
Notice again: "And Allah has caused you to grow from the earth a
[progressive] growth."
 
And about the Big Bang Koran says that:
 
Koran [21:30]
 
"Did the unbelievers (who do not accept the teaching of the Prophet) not
realize that the heavens and the earth were one solid mass, then We tore
them apart, and We made every living being out of water? Will they,
then, not believe (that We created all this)?"
 
And the Koran says about the expansion of the universe this:
 
Koran [51.47]:
 
"And it is We Who have built the Universe, and behold, We are steadily
expanding it."
 
Is the universe is expanding?
 
The American astronomer Edwin Hubble made the observations in 1925 and
was the first to prove that the universe is expanding. He proved that
there is a direct relationship between the speeds of distant galaxies
and their distances from Earth. This is now known as Hubble's Law.
 
 
About Islam again..
 
I don't think that Al-Qaida and ISIS are on the right path of Islam,
because Koran says:
 
"And the retribution for an evil act is an evil one like it, but whoever
pardons and makes reconciliation - his reward is [due] from Allah .
Indeed, He does not like wrongdoers." from the Surah Ash-Shuraa [42:40]
of the Koran.
 
This a general rule that must be constrained by the following rules of
the Koran, here they are:
 
Koran [4:116]:
 
"Indeed, Allah does not forgive association with Him, but He forgives
what is less than that for whom He wills. And he who associates others
with Allah has certainly gone far astray."
 
Koran [39:53-54]:
"Say, "O My servants who have transgressed against themselves [by
sinning], do not despair of the mercy of Allah . Indeed, Allah forgives
all sins. Indeed, it is He who is the Forgiving, the Merciful."
 
 
So from the rule [42:40] and the rules of [4:116] and [39:53-54] we can
affirm that Allah is forgiving and merciful and he forgives all sins,
but Allah does not forgive association with Him, so we have to take into
account what says Allah and be merciful and be pardon and be forgiveness
because Allah is Merciful and He is forgiveness and He is pardon.
 
 
 
This is the true Islam, Islam is also love.
 
We have to get onto rationality and logic like scientists..
 
So follow my reasonning about Koran..
 
"And the retribution for an evil act is an evil one like it, but whoever
pardons and makes reconciliation - his reward is [due] from Allah .
Indeed, He does not like wrongdoers." from the Surah Ash-Shuraa [42:40]
of the Koran.
 
This is the general rule that must be constrained by the rule [42:40]
and by the rule [39:53-54] of the Koran , this is why i have said:
 
So from the rule [42:40] and the rules of [4:116] and [39:53-54] we can
affirm that Allah is forgiving and merciful and he forgives all sins,
but Allah does not forgive association with Him, so we have to take into
account what says Allah and be merciful and be pardon and be forgiveness
because Allah is Merciful and He is forgiveness and He is pardon.
 
But you have to be carefully with Koran, because Allah speak about
the servant of Allah in [39:53-54] like this:
 
Koran [39:53-54] says:
"Say, "O My servants who have transgressed against themselves [by
sinning], do not despair of the mercy of Allah . Indeed, Allah forgives
all sins. Indeed, it is He who is the Forgiving, the Merciful."
 
 
So [42:40] is contrained by [39:53-54] , so that means that [42:40]
must be pardon and forgiveness onto the servant of Allah that just
believe in Allah even if he commit adultery or even if he don't pray,
because i said:
 
Koran [39:53-54] says:
"Say, "O My servants who have transgressed against themselves [by
sinning], do not despair of the mercy of Allah . Indeed, Allah forgives
all sins. Indeed, it is He who is the Forgiving, the Merciful."
 
So notice that "O my servants" is about what ? what is a servant of
Allah ? what is the definition of servant of Allah ? since Allah says
that he is Merciful so the one who just believe in Allah is a servant of
Allah also, that's logic and rationality, but then if you are a servant
of Allah who just believe in Allah and don't pray Allah etc. you are
still a servant of Allah and the rule of [39:53-54] apply to you, so
even if you don't pray etc. and you just believe in Allah , you are a
servant of Allah that must not despair of mercy of Allah, because Allah
says that he is Merciful on the servants of Allah, and since you just
believe in Allah so we have then to be Merciful on you and be
forgiveness on you and be pardon on you, because Allah says so, this is
the true Islam.
 
 
 
Thank you,
Amine Moulay Ramdane.
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: May 26 11:30AM -0700

On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 1:50:55 PM UTC-4, rami18 wrote:
> So notice that "O my servants" is about what ? what is a servant of
> Allah ? what is the definition of servant of Allah ? since Allah says
> that he is Merciful ....
 
The truth about Islam:
 
A "religion of peace":
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/myths/peace.aspx
 
Lying allowed ... when Islam's agenda is advanced:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/taqiyya.aspx
 
Marriage to 6-year old, consummation when she was 9:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/muhammads-sex-life.aspx
 
Side-by-side compare Islam/Allah to Christianity/Jesus:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/jesus-muhammad.aspx
 
Muhammad died. And he is still dead. Islam teaches you must
convert people to Islam, and do so forcibly if they will not
convert, and if you cannot get them convert by applying physical
pressure and threats, then you must force them to become a type
of money-paying slave to keep them alive, or you must kill them.
They do not get more time through life and living to consider or
re-consider their decision, but are to be killed right there on
the spot, or made into a slave paying the equivalent of mob
"protection money" so they will be kept alive.
 
Islam is in all ways of the flesh, a total religion (meaning it's
all by rote and not by the spirit of God), and evil. It only
forcibly advances, or kills.
 
The only reason you don't see more overt killing in the general
Islamic population is the same reason you don't see more holy
Christians living as Jesus called us to in Christianity ...
because people are reprobate and do not follow their leader's
teachings more explicitly (as they should in the case of
Christianity because it's important, see Hebrews 12:14 -- "Follow
peace with all men, and holiness, without which no one shall see
the Lord" http://biblehub.com/hebrews/12-14.htm ).
 
-----
If you want to know what truth is, Amine, then read about the
Jesus of the Bible, and not the corrupt "Jesus" from the Quran.
You'll find a completely different person in the Quran from the
Jesus of the Bible. And if you examine the two side-by-side,
you'll see what Napoleon concluded regarding Christianity:
 
http://biblehub.com/library/schaff/the_person_of_christ/napoleon_bonaparte.htm
 
"I know men; and I tell you that Jesus Christ is not a man.
Superficial minds see a resemblance between Christ and the
founders of empires, and the gods of other religions. That
resemblance does not exist. There is between Christianity
and whatever other religions the distance of infinity.
 
"We can say to the authors of every other religion, You are
neither gods, nor the agents of the Deity. You are but missionaries
of falsehood, moulded from the same clay with the rest of mortals.
You are made with all the passions and vices inseparable from
them. Your temples and your priests proclaim your origin.' Such
will be the judgment, the cry of conscience, of whoever examines
the gods and the temples of paganism."
 
The truth is there, Amine. The real Jesus of the Bible stands at the
door of your soul and knocks. He wants to teach you the way of love,
and of peace, and of life eternal, and of being part of a community
of man looking to help and build up and strengthen one another, because
that's who He is. He wants to teach you of sin, and of the active
enemy of God who is deceiving people into believing in false religions
like Islam. He wants to reveal to you the differences between Him, and
them, so you can know the truth, and that truth will make you free.
 
You owe it to yourself to investigate this. You'll find out the key
to unlocking the transformation from being a Muslim to being a
Christian:
 
Testimony after testimony of Muslims who turned to Jesus,
and why they did so:
 
www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=youtube+muslim+to+christian
 
Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin
rami18 <coco@coco.com>: May 26 12:42PM -0400

Hello,
 
Social Liberals has pointed out to how global poverty, life expectancy,
opportunity and peace are all improving. So we have to take into account
this facts.
 
Now i will return to something important about social Liberalism and
social democracy..
 
I will like theorize more social Liberalism and social Democracy..
 
I have said the following about social Liberalism and social democracy,
read it carefully:
 
Nationalism of Donald Trump lack the heuristic of flexibility using
tolerance that get you more optimized, but social Liberalism of
democrates uses the flexibility of tolerance to optimize the economic
system and the social system, nationalism is like extreme justice of
communism that lack tolerance and that can hurt economic system and the
social system.
 
I have said about morality that:
 
Justice has to constrain happiness..
 
And responsability has to constrain justice..
 
But responsability is influenced by the variable of tolerance ,
so if we are more tolerance on responsability we can higher the consumer
confidence in you and we can attract more consumers and we can penetrate
more the market of others, this is the game of social Liberalism.
 
Social Liberalism of democrates wants also to play the card of tolerance
to attract consumers and to higher consumer confidence index and to be
able to penetrate more the market of others and to optimize better the
social system, nationalism doesn't undertand it well.
 
I give you an example, i have said:
 
About Machism..
 
Real machism is violence and it's more individualistic, and it's poor
Emotional intelligence.
 
So we can not be confident with machism..
 
Donald Trump is more machist..
 
The game is also giving first to be able to receive after..
 
Machism is not good at that..
 
Economy is also knowing how to give respect and compassion
and love to be able to higher the consumer confidence in you..
 
Security is also knowing how to give compassion and love and respect
to receive more security..
 
Machism is not good at that...
 
That's also the game Sir, and that's also Emotional intelligence.
 
So as you have noticed nationalism and machism are not good at
optimization with the flexibility of tolerance, but social Liberalism
and social democracy are good at it, so if you want for example to open
more the market of China to American goods and services, you have to
know how to be "tolerance" that knows how to give respect and compassion
to better receive in the future, and China has to know how to apply the
division of labour and how to apply Adam Smith's specialization Theory
to be more optimized.. so as you have noticed the flexibility of
tolerance plays the role of like an heuristic that optimize better the
economic system and social system.
 
Immigration is the same, social Liberalism and social Democracy uses
the heuristic of tolerance towards immigrants by for example accepting
arab immigrants even if arab immigrants are not as beautiful as white
europeans, and this is done to be able to optimize better the economic
system and social system with the flexibility of "tolerance".
 
And i have explained also to you about the heuristic of "tolerance" that:
 
Capitalism also wants to optimize, and capitalism says for example
that even arabs are not as beautiful as white europeans, it says that
arabs are tolerable, because capitalism wants to optimize economy
and the society by bringing arabs immigrants that are also decent
people, because today we are constrained by many factors, and
optimization has been rendered by those constrains to as the following:
 
If you are useful for something like jobs and economy or/and useful to
low birth rate of white europeans or/and you are useful to higher the
consumer confidence index and/or and you are useful to better the world
order and security , you can be welcome to USA or other countries..
 
About America and the world..
 
Before, operating systems like OS/2 of IBM were a monolithic OSs ,
but as the time has gone by we have developed more sophisticated
OSs like Mach 3 or Windows NT, those sophisticated OSs were more
decentralized and were designed in a such a way to be more efficient
and managed better, the difference between a monolithic one and not
monolithic one is like programming with message passing or Object
oriented programming, and we have also the tendency to decentralize the
management of our societies to be more efficient, it's the same
for capitalism , capitalism tries to optimize better by not
being as monolithic as the old way of thinking of Hitler, so
today because of constrains on optimization, usefulness is interpreted
not as being as beautiful as white europeans or being as civilized as
white europeans to better optimize the system economically.. it's
like decentralizing to better optimize, now to not get extremist,
you have to know how to tune correctly optimization to better optimize
and to not cause problems to societies.
 
 
 
Thank you,
Amine Moulay Ramdane.
rami18 <coco@coco.com>: May 26 01:35PM -0400

Hello,
 
Sorry, i have posted this in the wrong group.
 
 
Thank you,
Amine Moulay Ramdane.
Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu>: May 26 08:42AM -0700

> problematic, but I find myself *needing* to use them very
> rarely. It's indeed quite rare the situation where they are the
> most natural and handy solution.
 
I agree in spirit here, but I think it's important to add
something. Not all uses of 'break' or 'continue' are created
equal: some are no big deal, others are just awful. Also my
criteria for acceptance are slightly different - not "best"
or "most natural" but something like "within some tolerance
range of other ways of writing the same loop". Very few
problems have answers that are optimal along all axes at once,
and different people have different weights for various
tradeoffs.
 
 
> solution". Sometimes they are (although in my experience, and
> for some reason, cases where 'continue' is the most natural
> solution is much, much rarer than cases where 'break' is.)
 
This last part surprised me. My own reaction to 'continue' is
more mild than it is to 'break'. I wouldn't expect to see a big
difference in how often each is used. So I took some statistics
to check that out. The source is about 18 million lines of .c
files, about 50 open source projects of various types. On
average 'break' appears about 0.20 times per loop, 'continue'
appears about 0.12 times per loop. Disclaimer: there is
definitely some noise in the date, which I estimate at between
one and five percent. (Use of 'break' for switch() statements
was counted separately, about 3.57 breaks/switch().) The
relative amounts of breaks versus continues depended a lot
on loop type (values rounded to tenths of a percent):
 
loop type % all loops % breaks avg % continues avg
for 75.6 17.1 12.6
while 23.9 26.9 9.4
do/while 0.5 24.6 3.8
 
I'm not offering any conclusions, I just thought the data
might be of interest.
 
 
> different. In either case the loop is being exited from the middle,
> rather than at its ending condition. It's hard to argue for a better
> and more fluent solution.
 
A very interesting example! It occured to me that we could
easily write this loop differently, without using break, if zr2
and zi2 were declared outside the loop:
 
iter = -1;
while( ++iter < maxIterations && (zr2 = zr*zr) + (zi2 = zi*zi) <= 4.0 ){
zi = 2.0*zr*zi + im;
zr = zr2 - zi2 + re;
}
 
If while() allows declarations (does C17 have this now?), the
loop control could be written this way
 
while( const double zr2 = zr*zr, zi2 = zi*zi; ++iter < maxIterations && zr2+zi2 < 4 )
 
which gives a long line. A similar approach could be used with
for(), except zr2 and zi2 could not be 'const', and there is
the pesky problem of initializing 'iter'.
 
If we take a step back and look from a slightly higher altitude,
this could be seen as a problem in micro-optimization. Instead
of using separate real and imaginary parts, if we use a complex
and trust the compiler to find the common sub-expressions and
eliminate them, the loop is very easy (assuming norm2() is, eg, a
static inline that gives the square of the length):
 
for( i = 0; i < i_limit && norm2(z) <= 4; i++ ){
z = z*z + c;
}
 
I don't mean to argue that any of these different ways of writing
this loop is "best", or "better" than the others. Each has its
own plusses and minuses. But I think it's interesting how
decisions in different areas can affect whether 'break;' comes
into the picture.
 
 
> and set inside the loop. It feels unnatural, artificial, and forced.
> It feels like a kludge trying to fix a non-existent problem, and that
> is its major flaw.
 
I'll vote for that. :)
David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>: May 26 10:18AM +0200

On 26/05/17 00:39, Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
> VC designers thought that it was a good idea to warn about the use of
> `default:`, for what if it had been placed there by, say, a copy/paste
> error, or sumthin'?. Hence in 2010 it was a negative value sillywarning.
 
gcc helpfully distinguishes between -Wswitch, which warns about missing
enumeration cases /unless/ there is a default clause, and -Wswitch-enum
which will warn even if there is a default. -Wswitch is the useful one
in almost all cases. If gcc only had "-Wswitch-enum", then I'd agree it
is was silly, and only enable it manually (with pragmas) in situations
where it would be really helpful.
 
 
> I think this shows that for this particular concrete example you're
> arguing from ignorance, due to simply not having much experience with
> this compiler and its idiosyncrasies.
 
This case is ignorance of the details - I have not claimed any knowledge
of the MSVC warnings beyond the comments in your list.
 
> defined in the class definition (which implicitly gives it `inline`),
> you really don't want the compiler spewing out diagnostics about
> ignoring the additional vague hint semantics.
 
I do want these, yes - at least for my own code. If I declare a
function "inline", then I want it to be inlined by the compiler. If I
did not think it /could/ be inlined - for example, if I wanted to take
its address, or call it recursively - then I would not have marked it
"inline". I don't want functions declared in headers that result in
code generation on their own (excluding templates here). So if the
compiler is unable to inline a function that I have marked "inline", I
have made a mistake somewhere - either in how I use the function, what
the function does, or in labelling it "inline". To me, "inline" is as
much documentation to the reader as a hint to the compiler, and it
should match the compiler's viewpoint.
 
Of course other people can have a different opinion here - but to /me/,
warning on a failure to inline is a useful warning, not a silly one.
 
> appropriate compiler specific magic invocation. Standard C++ doesn't
> have that feature; relying on `inline` to do /that/ job is not portable.
> But the compiler-specific can be wrapped in a macro for portability.
 
I use the appropriate compiler-specific "magic words" sometimes to force
inlining. A typical case is when I know that constant propagation will
mean that a function that /looks/ big and complex (and therefore the
compiler might decide against inlining) will turn into something small
and short in practice. Or perhaps the function is to be used within
critical sections of some sort (like interrupt functions - I work on
low-level embedded systems) and I want to keep it as fast as possible.
 
That is a different situation, however.
 
(And as I say, I am quite happy to let the compiler inline functions
that are /not/ marked inline, and don't feel a need for a warning there.
Indeed, I /expect/ the compiler to do such inlining, especially for
local functions that are only called once.)
 
 
>> If padding is added to a struct, I want to know about it.
 
> No, really, you don't. Padding is added to most structs. Only if you
> have designated the struct as packed, is such a warning useful.
 
Yes, really, I /do/ want this warning. And /no/, I don't want to mark
the struct as "packed". Feel free to express your own opinions, but
please do not try to tell me /my/ opinions. In my world, precise
control of exactly how data is organised can be important - it is
important enough that I prefer to have this warning and explicitly add
"padding" fields to my structs and necessary. I don't /always/ use this
warning, but I often do.
 
 
Now, I fully agree that it is unlikely that /you/ want this warning.
For user-mode programming on a large system, it is going to be rare that
you need this kind of control of structure layout. And you will get
massive numbers of false positives from common OS and API include files.
So for the typical MSVC user, it is probably useless. In the few cases
where it makes sense, you can enable it temporarily with pragmas.
 
My point is merely that this warning, viewed as a static analysis tool,
is not "silly" or "useless" in C and C++ development - it has its place.
 
 
>> generated for a class, then that is because of the way you have
>> written the class.
 
> No, that could be e.g. `boost::noncopyable`.
 
Presumably, this class is written specifically in a way to make it
non-copyable and to mean that "a copy constructor cannot be generated
for this class". Maybe I was not quite clear in how I expressed myself,
because we appear to agree.
 
 
> Yes, I agree, but Visual C++ has had a habit of emitting these
> diagnostics whenever, as it looks from a purely local context ignoring
> everything else, they /might/ apply.
 
Indeed. It sounds to me that this example /is/ a "silly warning".
 
Bo Persson <bop@gmb.dk>: May 26 11:19AM +0200

On 2017-05-26 10:18, David Brown wrote:
>> this compiler and its idiosyncrasies.
 
> This case is ignorance of the details - I have not claimed any knowledge
> of the MSVC warnings beyond the comments in your list.
 
Right, so MSVC similarly has
 
C4061 enumerator 'identifier' in a switch of enum 'enumeration' is not
explicitly handled by a case label
 
C4062 enumerator 'identifier' in a switch of enum 'enumeration' is not
handled
 
 
And the first one is "the silly one" we turn off, unless we also have a
silly coding standard that forbids use of 'default:'.
 
 
 
Bo Persson
David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>: May 26 11:33AM +0200

On 26/05/17 11:19, Bo Persson wrote:
> handled
 
> And the first one is "the silly one" we turn off, unless we also have a
> silly coding standard that forbids use of 'default:'.
 
Fair enough.
 
However, I would call a coding standard that forbids the use of default
"questionable", not "silly". Perhaps it is silly in the context of
typical Windows MSVC development - but there are other kinds of
programming, with different requirements and different appropriate
coding standard rules. And there are also types of programming where it
is appropriate to require that all enum cases are covered, /and/ you
have a default case.
scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal): May 26 12:33PM


>(Scott, I read "noe" as "now", in the sense of "current". "noe" /is/ a
>Norwegian word, meaning "something", but that would not make sense in
>the context.)
 
Munga Tusa Takk, David. While my grandparents all grew up speaking Norwegian,
I'm limited to a literal handful of words myself (which I probably can't spell :-)
David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>: May 26 04:24PM +0200

On 26/05/17 14:33, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> the context.)
 
> Munga Tusa Takk, David. While my grandparents all grew up speaking Norwegian,
> I'm limited to a literal handful of words myself (which I probably can't spell :-)
 
It is a language of limited use, unless you happen to live in Norway.
 
And you are right - you can't spell your Norwegian words :-)
"Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com>: May 26 05:15PM +0200

On 26-May-17 4:24 PM, David Brown wrote:
>> I'm limited to a literal handful of words myself (which I probably can't spell :-)
 
> It is a language of limited use, unless you happen to live in Norway.
 
> And you are right - you can't spell your Norwegian words :-)
 
Well, if your the books about Nuwen – not about STL, though he chose to
use that name for his site where offers a MinGW distro – namely, Vernon
Vinge's "A Deepness in the Sky", "A Fire Upon the Deep" and "The
Children of the Sky", especially the middle one of these works, you will
discover that Norwegian is the /lingua franca/ of the Usenet-like
communications network in the upper galactic reaches.
 
Of course, even with IPv6 and IDNA we here on Earth still don't have the
necessary addressing ability to easily access that network, so it's
understandable that few here are currently familiar with it.
 
 
Cheers!,
 
- Alf
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