Saturday, March 3, 2018

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"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Mar 03 01:33PM

By the grace of God I am free to break the law because I know I will be
forgiven. That is all.
 
--
 
Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Mar 03 05:50AM -0800

On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 8:34:11 AM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> By the grace of God I am free to break the law because I know I will be
> forgiven. That is all.
 
 
I, the real Rick C. Hodgin, did not write this post.
 
Please examine the headers to see that there is someone usurping my
identity (and without my permission). I post from Eternal September
and Google Groups only.
 
-----
To answer the claim by my impersonator, reconcile these things:
 
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+28%3A18-20&version=KJV
 
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power
is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them
in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the
Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have
commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto
the end of the world. Amen.
 
We are under Grace and have forgiveness when we sin, but why does
Jesus ask us to obey Him?
 
Begins at 28:29 in the video:
"Tender" Commandments:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrbqVkoJa_s&t=28m29s
 
And we have explicit guidance:
 
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+6&version=KJV
 
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that
grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any
longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into
Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death:
that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the
glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in
newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of
his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him,
that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth
we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall
also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no
more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that
he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed
unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our
Lord.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that
ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness
unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that
are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments
of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not
under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law,
but under grace? God forbid.
 
It's difficult, Leigh. Let's see if that high-powered mind of yours
can reconcile these things. If you are unable, ask God for help so
that your misunderstanding can be replaced with understanding, which
leads to life eternal.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
 
PS -- In this area, "tl;dr" is for those who are dying, for those who
actively seek death for their own soul.
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Mar 03 04:50PM

On 03/03/2018 13:50, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> can reconcile these things. If you are unable, ask God for help so
> that your misunderstanding can be replaced with understanding, which
> leads to life eternal.
 
I, the real Rick C. Hodgin, did not write the above reply.
 
Please examine the headers to see that there is someone usurping my
identity (and without my permission). I post from Giganews only.
 
That reply was wrong: by the grace of God we are free to break the law
because we know we will be forgiven. That is all.
 
--
 
Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Mar 03 09:26AM -0800

On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 11:50:38 AM UTC-5, Leigh Johnston wrote:
> identity (and without my permission). I post from Giganews only.
 
> That reply was wrong: by the grace of God we are free to break the law
> because we know we will be forgiven. That is all.
 
You are valuable, Leigh. The truth is being given to you so that
you can have eternal life.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
"Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid>: Mar 03 02:49PM -0800

On 3/3/2018 5:50 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> By the grace of God I am free to break the law because I know I will be
>> forgiven. That is all.
 
> I, the real Rick C. Hodgin, did not write this post.
 
Yeah, we know.
"Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid>: Mar 03 02:54PM -0800

On 3/3/2018 9:26 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> because we know we will be forgiven. That is all.
 
> You are valuable, Leigh. The truth is being given to you so that
> you can have eternal life.
 
What would happen if the law told you to do something that did not
square perfectly with your religious dogma? Would you happily break it?
You said you were thinking about grabbing my ears, shaking me and
screaming wake up! wake up!
 
Well, that is just not cool man. You would basically force to retaliate
in defense of my own physical body. Jesus!
 
Let me see it now... You grab me and shake me around, I retaliate, then
you blame me for assault.
 
What a joke. ;^o
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Mar 02 03:31PM -0800

On Friday, March 2, 2018 at 5:32:12 PM UTC-5, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > about the rest.
 
> Why must we always realize the answer is "yes"? Is it because if we
> choose another answer, then we get threatened? Interesting.
 
Because God is literal truth and cannot lie. It's why when I teach
you the things God has warned us He will judge, it's not given as a
threat, but as proper information designed to teach you today, so
you still have time to act on that information.o
 
-----
Watch here at 28:29 and try to understand God's intent:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrbqVkoJa_s&t=28m29s
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
"Öö Tiib" <ootiib@hot.ee>: Mar 02 04:59PM -0800

On Saturday, 3 March 2018 01:32:26 UTC+2, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> you the things God has warned us He will judge, it's not given as a
> threat, but as proper information designed to teach you today, so
> you still have time to act on that information.o
 
Sin means that someone has transgressed against divine laws, but
divine laws do not exist.
 
Laws that I have seen are all human-written. The 613 "divine"
commandments of your god have been written by Semitic priests into
their Talmud and from there to Bible. Do you follow those? Do you
bring burnt offers at Sabbath and additional lambs and what were
there? I somehow doubt it despite it is all in your Bible.
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Mar 02 05:05PM -0800

On Friday, March 2, 2018 at 7:59:58 PM UTC-5, Öö Tiib wrote:
> their Talmud and from there to Bible. Do you follow those? Do you
> bring burnt offers at Sabbath and additional lambs and what were
> there? I somehow doubt it despite it is all in your Bible.
 
There are things about the Bible you do not understand.
 
If you want to understand them, the information is available. It
will clear up any confusion by teaching you the truth.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
"Öö Tiib" <ootiib@hot.ee>: Mar 02 05:19PM -0800

On Saturday, 3 March 2018 03:06:23 UTC+2, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
 
> There are things about the Bible you do not understand.
 
> If you want to understand them, the information is available. It
> will clear up any confusion by teaching you the truth.
 
I did not ask if there are things that I do not understand. I know
it. I am not confused about it. Ignorance is normal. I asked if you
follow your "divine laws"? You did not answer.
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Mar 02 05:53PM -0800

On Friday, March 2, 2018 at 8:20:30 PM UTC-5, Öö Tiib wrote:
 
> I did not ask if there are things that I do not understand. I know
> it. I am not confused about it. Ignorance is normal. I asked if you
> follow your "divine laws"? You did not answer.
 
"When you spread peanut butter on bread, Rick, what do you do with the
shells? Do you recycle them?"
 
That's akin to your misunderstanding of the Bible.
 
As I say, if you want to know the truth the true information in the
Bible is available to you.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Mar 03 03:57AM -0800

On Friday, March 2, 2018 at 8:20:30 PM UTC-5, Öö Tiib wrote:
 
> I did not ask if there are things that I do not understand. I know
> it. I am not confused about it. Ignorance is normal. I asked if you
> follow your "divine laws"? You did not answer.
 
Your question is inappropriate and conveys information, namely that
you do not understand grace and mercy, or the Law, or why it was
given to Jesus Christ.
 
The Law was our schoolmaster. It was given to protect us. It was
given to keep us focused on the rigors of truth, righteousness, on
the path of God, away from the enemy and his evil teachings. But it
was never intended to save us in eternity. In fact, the Law is absolutely
powerless to save us in any capacity.
 
What God did toward man was multi-fold. There have been ages of man
where God has dealt with man particularly. The first was pre-Law of
Moses. The second was the Law of Moses. But the third, the age we
are living in today, is the age of Grace.
 
Everything in the Law of Moses pointed to the coming of Jesus, and of
Him fulfilling the Law in His body, thereby setting us free from the
Law, and giving us His Holy Spirit, whereby the Law (an outside-in
teaching done by rigor and rote) is supplanted, replaced by freedom
from that rigorous Law, to be replaced with an internal indwelling
of the Holy Spirit of God communing with our own spirit, giving us
a new nature, one which naturally pursues the things of God, shunning
the things of the flesh.
 
God saves us not by the Law, but by fulfilling the Law Himself, and in
giving us Grace. In Grace we find freedom from the Law. In Grace we
find our new spirit nature given to us, enabling us to know, and be,
and do, for Him, and because of who He is.
 
Jesus Christ has come to the Earth to set the captives (captive to
death by sin, and of the Law which ONLY condemns) free. It is why it
is written, "You will know the truth, and the truth will make you free."
 
Grace and Tryth came from Jesus Christ. And where the Law was powerless to save us, Grace and Truth were able. When Jesus came
to the Earth, He brought us victory. He bought it for us by what He
did at the cross. He took the Law which condemns upon Himself, nailed
it to the cross in His body, so that when He died the Law died with
Him. From that point forward, for all who believe in Jesus Christ,
we are made free from the Law, and are called from within to go forth
and teach others, so that they too can be saved.
 
This is the Great Commission given unto all Christians. And we have
an example of how it works in seeds. A new seed is planted, the seed
of the new life within a man, the new life given them by freedom from
the Law by Jesus Christ, the new spirit nature ... and that seed grows,
and matures, and begins to bear fruit. That fruit is given to others
with its seed in it, such that others receive and are planted, and
they too begin growing and maturing, yielding more, and more.
 
The one seed becoming a plant, can result in thousands of other
seeds coming off with many of those becoming plants, which each do
likewise until ... the whole Earth has heard about the gospel (the
good news). And then the end will come.
 
We who are under Grace no longer obey the rigors of the Law, because
Jesus brought us something new (hence the "New" Testament).
 
In His Grace we are transformed from dead transgressers of the Law,
into living eternal sons of God. And from our new birth into His
eternal Kingdom, we are transformed and begin living a new life for
Him even upon this Earth, where our old purposes, our old ways, are
replaced by new purposes, and new ways, which are bearing fruit with
the same seed in it, being given to "the soil" around it (people),
so that some might take root.
 
It is a truly amazing creation God has given us, and this world is
a prover. Each of us is proving to God, to ourselves, to the angels,
and indeed to every thing which exists, who we are, and what we'll
believe ... either the truth, or the lie.
 
The information is before you, Öö Tiib. Pursue it and live.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com>: Mar 03 04:12AM -0800

On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 6:57:55 AM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > it. I am not confused about it. Ignorance is normal. I asked if you
> > follow your "divine laws"? You did not answer.
 
> Your question is inappropriate
 
"For truly I say to you, Till heaven and earth pass, one stroke or one pronunciation mark shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."
 
Matthew 5:18
 
Jesus thought it was appropriate. So why not answer: do you follow the law?
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Mar 03 04:22AM -0800

On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 7:13:35 AM UTC-5, Daniel wrote:
 
> "For truly I say to you, Till heaven and earth pass, one stroke or one pronunciation mark shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."
 
> Matthew 5:18
 
> Jesus thought it was appropriate. So why not answer: do you follow the law?
 
The Law is still in effect ... for all who are not under Grace.
It is there where judgment hangs over every soul, and it is full in
its power to convict.
 
The Law only condemns. It points out where we fail. It has no
ability to save. It's why we need Jesus Christ. Only Jesus saves.
No other way. He sets us free from the Law, and puts us under Grace
instead.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
leigh.v.johnston@googlemail.com: Mar 03 05:15AM -0800

Answer the fucking question. Do you follow the law? Yes or no.
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Mar 03 05:28AM -0800

> Answer the .. question. Do you follow the law? Yes or no.
 
Your question is as I indicated to Öö Tiib. You learn that peanuts
have shells, and that peanut butter comes from peanuts, so you ask
your question about what I do with my shells after spreading peanut
butter on bread...
 
You're asking the wrong question, Leigh. Your question emanates
from a fundamental misunderstanding, making any response I would
give you a misleading answer (at best) ... save the one which corrects
the fundamental misunderstanding, which is what I have tried to do here,
Leigh.
 
-----
There really is logic and order to the things of God. It has symmetry,
form, beauty, and extreme majesty ... you just have to be willing
to put down those things the enemy has previously convinced you of.
 
The truth is found when you move to where it is.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
"Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid>: Mar 03 02:48PM -0800

On 3/3/2018 5:28 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> have shells, and that peanut butter comes from peanuts, so you ask
> your question about what I do with my shells after spreading peanut
> butter on bread...
 
What if dog was spelled as cat?
 
JiiPee <no@notvalid.com>: Mar 03 01:27PM

On 02/03/2018 21:31, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
> functions, the code is going to be worse. If you can extract a
> function with a clear and memorable meaning, I think most people won't
> mind that, even if the function is only used once.
 
Yes this is how I also have been thinking. It depends what the code is
doing. Preferable I would split it to 4 sections, but if its messy to do
that and it takes a lot of work etc.. then I have been leaving it long.
And yes if its logical to split it then preferably I split it.
 
JiiPee <no@notvalid.com>: Mar 03 01:33PM

Surely I dont disagree that 6 lines functions good. I guess am talking
about rare instances where longer function seems like an option.
But reducing repetion inside a function I found lambdas do a good job as
you can place them also inside the function and near your code and they
are easy to make.
bartc <bc@freeuk.com>: Mar 03 04:04PM

> }
> }
> }();
 
How about just writing:
 
for (int i = 0; i < m; i++) {
for (int j = 0; j < n; j++) {
if (condition) break all;
}
}
 
 
Then no lambdas, extraneous functions or gotos are needed.
 
It also allows you to have an actual return from the original function
within the loops, which is going to be awkward from inside a lambda or
inside another function. And it can help disambiguate a loop break from
a switch break, when the if is inside a switch statement (I assume C++
still has this quirk).
 
It's a no-brainer.
 
Of course, such a feature would need to be added, but I suspect it's too
simple, too useful and too sensible to make the short list.
 
--
bartc
bartc <bc@freeuk.com>: Mar 03 09:03PM

On 02/03/2018 22:22, Richard wrote:
 
> Stroustrup talks about how most functions should be about 5 lines
> long or less.
 
I can't believe that was a serious opinion. Presumably that 5 lines is
after you've taken account of the function declaration, { and } which
might go on their own lines, comments and blank lines, and perhaps a
line to introduce some local declarations. If the function returns a
result, then at least one line will have a 'return' statement.
 
That's already have 6 or 7 lines and we haven't written any actual code yet!
 
I've just done a search for 'stroustrup c++ examples', and the first
link had a couple of examples with nearer 20 lines. They mainly
consisted of a switch statement with two cases.
 
Presumably, switch statements with more than a handful of cases wouldn't
be allowed, even if there was only one line of code (a function call)
for each case label, written like this to save vertical space:
 
case x: fn(a,b); break;
 
It sounds a ridiculous claim. Even more so when you consider that C and
C++ make a big deal about block scopes to localise declarations within a
function. With only 5 lines to play with, you're not going to be able to
declare many such scopes!
 
 
> Imagine how you get to that from a 100 line function.
 
If you can see the whole function in an editor window, then there is no
need to make it any smaller unless that are other considerations for
doing so.
 
> Practicing this transformation is not only instructive in practicing
> refactoring, it is instructive in the design mindset. To get to 5
> line functions
 
I can't imagine anything more exasperating than thousands of tiny
functions so that have you have to keep chasing calls all over the
source to help build a picture of what the code is supposed to be doing.
 
Except when there are hundreds of tiny files as well.
 
--
bartc
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Mar 03 07:10PM

By the grace of God it is true that 2+2=5.
 
--
 
Thank you,
Rick C. Hodgin
Christiano <christiano@engineer.com>: Mar 03 04:30PM -0300

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> By the grace of God it is true that 2+2=5.
 
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Thank you,
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On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 8:34:11 AM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> By the grace of God I am free to break the law because I know I will be=
=20
> forgiven. That is all.
 
 
I, the real Rick C. Hodgin, did not write this post.=20
 
Please examine the headers to see that there is someone usurping my=20
identity (and without my permission). I post from Eternal September=20
and Google Groups only.
 
-----
To answer the claim by my impersonator, reconcile these things:
 

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=3DMatthew+28%3A18-20&versi=
on=3DKJV
 
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power
is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them
in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the
Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have
commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto
the end of the world. Amen.
 
We are under Grace and have forgiveness when we sin, but why does=20
Jesus ask us to obey Him?
 
Begins at 28:29 in the video:
"Tender" Commandments:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DXrbqVkoJa_s&t=3D28m29s
 
And we have explicit guidance:
 
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=3DRomans+6&version=3DKJV
 
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that
grace may abound?
2=C2=A0God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any
longer therein?
3=C2=A0Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into
Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4=C2=A0Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death:
that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the
glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in
newness of life.
5=C2=A0For if we have been planted together in the likeness of
his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6=C2=A0Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him,
that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth
we should not serve sin.
7=C2=A0For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8=C2=A0Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall
also live with him:
9=C2=A0Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no
more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10=C2=A0For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that
he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11=C2=A0Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed
unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our
Lord.
12=C2=A0Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that
ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13=C2=A0Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness
unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that
are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments
of righteousness unto God.
14=C2=A0For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not
under the law, but under grace.
15=C2=A0What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law,
but under grace? God forbid.
 
It's difficult, Leigh. Let's see if that high-powered mind of yours=20
can reconcile these things. If you are unable, ask God for help so=20
that your misunderstanding can be replaced with understanding, which=20
leads to life eternal.
 
--=20
Rick C. Hodgin=20
 
PS -- In this area, "tl;dr" is for those who are dying, for those who=20
actively seek death for their own soul.
woodbrian77@gmail.com: Mar 03 06:18AM -0800

http://slashslash.info/2018/02/a-foolish-consistency/
 
https://www.reddit.com/r/cpp/comments/80k8hc/a_blog_rant_on_east_const/
 
I'm glad Jon is speaking up about this.
 
 
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Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se>: Mar 03 08:01AM

On Fri, 2018-03-02, Richard wrote:
>>names rather than IP addresses).
 
> In the case of URLs I wouldn't start accepting service names instead
> of port numbers because it confuses the issue of what is a URL.
 
Me neither, for the reason you said, and also (see upthread) because
it wouldn't make sense.
 
/Jorgen
 
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