Wednesday, June 2, 2021

Digest for comp.lang.c++@googlegroups.com - 25 updates in 6 topics

Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org>: Jun 02 05:10AM +0200

On Tue, 1 Jun 2021 18:27:44 +0000 (UTC),
>>person (eg. with insults or swearwords)". It means "trying to discredit
>>what the person is saying by discrediting the reputation of the person".
 
>Calling someone stupid fits that description nicely.
 
AFAIK Bonita is a woman and as such you all owe her respect.
red floyd <no.spam@its.invalid>: Jun 01 08:26PM -0700

On 6/1/21 6:24 AM, Bonita Montero wrote:
> | request.
 
> Is this qualified arguing ?
> Öö Tiib's postings are mostly nonsense.
 
"Oo Tiib's postings are mostly nonsense" is a valid argument. Not
supported by you in the post, but a valid argument.
 
"You're so ultimately stupid."is attacking the person, not the
argument, and is therefore ad hominem.
Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org>: Jun 02 05:33AM +0200

On Tue, 1 Jun 2021 20:26:14 -0700, red floyd <no.spam@its.invalid>
wrote:
 
>supported by you in the post, but a valid argument.
 
>"You're so ultimately stupid."is attacking the person, not the
>argument, and is therefore ad hominem.
 
I can understand that the truth hurts, but this does not relieve us
from the duty of respecting woman.
James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu>: Jun 02 12:14AM -0400

On 6/1/21 11:10 PM, Doctor Who wrote:
...
> AFAIK Bonita is a woman and as such you all owe her respect.
 
That's a fairly sexist attitude. Respect is something that must be
earned, not something that you're automatically entitled to by reason of
your gender or your position. Bonita has rather spectacularly failed to
earn my respect, which I'm quite certain doesn't bother her in the least.
Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid>: Jun 02 05:05AM

>>person (eg. with insults or swearwords)". It means "trying to discredit
>>what the person is saying by discrediting the reputation of the person".
 
> Calling someone stupid fits that description nicely.
 
Not really, because insulting someone is not making claims to try to
hurt the reputation of the person and make other people turn against
that person, usually by alluding to unrelated objectionable actions
or beliefs (such as, for example, political beliefs). It's trying to
erode the credibility of the person by accusing the person of having
done or said something objectionable (usually completely unrelated
to the discussion at hand).
Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org>: Jun 02 07:26AM +0200

On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 00:14:14 -0400, James Kuyper
>earned, not something that you're automatically entitled to by reason of
>your gender or your position. Bonita has rather spectacularly failed to
>earn my respect, which I'm quite certain doesn't bother her in the least.
 
disagreeing totally. Respect is due to woman by virtue of ethics and
civilization.
David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>: Jun 02 09:39AM +0200

On 02/06/2021 06:14, James Kuyper wrote:
> earned, not something that you're automatically entitled to by reason of
> your gender or your position. Bonita has rather spectacularly failed to
> earn my respect, which I'm quite certain doesn't bother her in the least.
 
Respect is something that you are automatically entitled to by reason of
being a /person/. (Since both Dr. Who and Mr. Spock are in this thread,
that could be extended to any kind of sentient being.)
 
Respect for the knowledge or the value of the opinions of a person might
start at zero until it is earned.
 
Greater respect can then be earned, or it can be lost.
 
You are right that gender, position, and any other unrelated issue
should have no influence on respect.
 
 
I am confident that you are respectful to people you meet - independent
of their gender and anything else. Then the respect goes up or down
according to politeness, rudeness, knowledge, how they treat others, etc.
Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org>: Jun 02 10:23AM +0200

On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 09:39:43 +0200, David Brown
 
>Respect is something that you are automatically entitled to by reason of
>being a /person/. (Since both Dr. Who and Mr. Spock are in this thread,
>that could be extended to any kind of sentient being.)
 
you are absolutely right, respect is extended also to Vulcanians and
Time Lords.
 
 
>I am confident that you are respectful to people you meet - independent
>of their gender and anything else. Then the respect goes up or down
>according to politeness, rudeness, knowledge, how they treat others, etc.
 
I find Bonita nice, polite and exceptional programmer, thus she has my
wholehearted respect.
Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com>: Jun 02 01:47AM -0700

>>earn my respect, which I'm quite certain doesn't bother her in the least.
 
> disagreeing totally. Respect is due to woman by virtue of ethics and
> civilization.
 
If you respect the participants in this newsgroup, consider refraining
from coming in here and lecturing us on things that are unrelated to its
topic.
 
--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com
Working, but not speaking, for Philips Healthcare
void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */
Doctor Who <doc@tardis.org>: Jun 02 11:49AM +0200

On Wed, 02 Jun 2021 01:47:58 -0700, Keith Thompson
 
>If you respect the participants in this newsgroup, consider refraining
>from coming in here and lecturing us on things that are unrelated to its
>topic.
 
if you are not a moderator of this newsgroup please refrain from
trying to educate people on how they must behave online.
James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu>: Jun 02 09:34AM -0400

On 6/2/21 5:49 AM, Doctor Who wrote:
> On Wed, 02 Jun 2021 01:47:58 -0700, Keith Thompson
> <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> wrote:
...
> if you are not a moderator of this newsgroup please refrain from
> trying to educate people on how they must behave online.
 
This is an unmoderated newsgroup, which means that Keith can't do any
more to stop you from acting rudely than you can do to stop him from
pointing out your rudeness. Enjoy!
Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com>: Jun 02 02:49PM +0200

Because i needed something like ptr = &*vec.end() and MSVC has iterator
-debugging by default I had a little header which I included before all
other headers.
 
#pragma once
#if defined(_MSC_VER)
#if defined(_HAS_ITERATOR_DEBUGGING) && _HAS_ITERATOR_DEBUGGING != 0
#error _HAS_ITERATOR_DEBUGGING must be set to 0
#elif !defined(_HAS_ITERATOR_DEBUGGING)
#define _HAS_ITERATOR_DEBUGGING 0
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