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| Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.net>: Aug 24 04:32AM >>>>> Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> writes: >>>>> On 23/08/2017 20:51, Richard Heathfield wrote: [...] >> cross-posted. > C has no place in modern software development and discourse; it is a > dead language. C++ has subsumed C. Yeah, as dead as Spanish. I mean, who'd need Spanish when we have Mandarin Chinese? -- FSF associate member #7257 58F8 0F47 53F5 2EB2 F6A5 8916 3013 B6A0 230E 334A |
| "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Aug 24 02:48AM -0700 On Wednesday, August 23, 2017, Mr Flibble wrote: > Everything you [Rick C. Hodgin] say is predicated on your belief that > the Bible is true. I posted this on comp.lang.c. It gives links to real-world evidencee that confirms the Bible. ----- On Wednesday, August 23, 2017, Öö Tiib wrote: > ...I wrote about what there are evidence and about what > there are none. This came across my Facebook feed today from a Christian group: https://answersingenesis.org/is-the-bible-true/3-evidences-confirm-bible-not-made-up/ It contains this sub-link: https://answersingenesis.org/jesus-christ/incarnation/jesus-did-not-exist/ -----[ Begin ]----- Josephus (AD 37–c.100, Jewish military leader and historian): Wrote about Jesus on two occasions. The authenticity of one occurrence, known as the Testimonium Flavianum, is hotly disputed, but his account of the execution of James is generally accepted, and he mentioned James, "the brother of Jesus who was called the Christ." Tacitus (AD 56–120, great Roman historian): Reported that after rumors spread about Nero burning Rome, Nero needed scapegoats for the crime and chose "Christians, [who were] hated for their abominable crimes. Their name comes from Christ, who, during the reign of Tiberius, had been executed by the procurator Pontius Pilate." Pliny the Younger (AD 61–c.112, Roman senator): Wrote to Emperor Trajan about his experience with Christians. -----[ End ]----- It also contains this sub-link: http://bibleandarchaeology.com ----- Note: I write these replies because I care about you, Leigh. I want you to know the truth and be saved. You are valuable, and I would like to see you in Heaven. Thank you, Rick C. Hodgin |
| Rod Pemberton <NeedNotReplyHere@xrsevnneqk.cem>: Aug 24 05:58AM -0400 On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 21:30:50 +0100 > C has no place in modern software development and discourse; it is a > dead language. C++ has subsumed C. Well, that's clearly wishful thinking: https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/ The real question is why someone posting from a.o.d. must inform "Mr Flibble" that C is more widely used than C++. Rod Pemberton -- Isn't anti-hate just hate by another name? Isn't anti-protesting just protesting by another name? Peace is a choice that both sides rejected. |
| Rod Pemberton <NeedNotReplyHere@xrsevnneqk.cem>: Aug 24 06:02AM -0400 On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 05:35:43 -0400 > > implying that God murders you for staring at him? ... Hard to > > tell. > It's because God is Holy, Holy, Holy, and we are fallen in sin. How do you know that? > the things of this world (which are all in and of sin), we think > we have some kind of handle on the state of reality, and that it > falls within the realm of that which we know. Yet, Genesis says that for everything God created, "God saw that it was good", including man. So, how did he, an omniscient being, manage to muck us up with sin, without him being aware of this in advance? He must've known that our state of sin would result. If he knew of this result in advance, since he is omniscient, how is this any different from him actually planning for it to happen to all of us? Clearly, he intended for it to happen. So, why should we be guilty of his planned corruption of us via sin? It's clear that this act of original sin was entirely a set up. In which case, we're not guilty of it. > > similar? Didn't the Egyptians worship the sun God Ra? ... > They are not similar. There is only one God, though there are > many gods: There is only one God? If you actually believe that, then Ra must be the one true God for you, as Ra predates the God of all the Abrahamic religions, e.g., Judaism, Christianity, Islam, and many other lesser religions, by over 13 centuries. Ra came first and long before God of the Bible. As such, a rational man can only conclude that the God of the Abrahamic religions is an impostor, e.g., Satan or Lucifer or Jesus Christ, intent on deceiving humanity via the Bible. > God calls out [...] He doesn't do it as part of a cocktail > joke or a punchline. Really? If that was true, he wouldn't have put talking animals into the Bible. It goes towards his credibility. talking snake Genesis 3:1 talking donkey Numbers 22:28 If you'd like to learn more about the completely wrong stuff in the Bible, try this website. It's a website version of an older text document from the 1990s, but it still archives some of the more bizarre situations the Bible presents. https://www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/DarkBibleContents.htm > by the mocking of ignorant souls who say that such a call is > only for fools and weak people. He calls out to His creation > in strength, in honor, in a restoration of all right things. Apparently, he was the one who mucked us all up with original sin, as we didn't have sin when he created us, and he knew exactly what was going to happen to us in advance. He didn't prevent it. He chose not to. I.e., he chose not to save us. In legal circles, this is called "entrapment". So, why must we ask him for forgiveness to fix his willful intent? ... We're the disease and he's the cure? He infected us (with sin). Rod Pemberton -- Isn't anti-hate just hate by another name? Isn't anti-protesting just protesting by another name? Peace is a choice that both sides rejected. |
| "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Aug 24 07:58AM -0400 On 8/24/2017 6:02 AM, Rod Pemberton wrote: >>> tell. >> It's because God is Holy, Holy, Holy, and we are fallen in sin. > How do you know that? It is evident when you read the Bible, learn who God is, and see who man is. It's also personally evident for me when I see the Rick before asking forgiveness for my sin and being born again, and the Rick after. I am a new man from the inside out, and it's not by anything I've done. I'm actually amazed by the change. > Yet, Genesis says that for everything God created, "God saw that it > was good", including man. So, how did he, an omniscient being, manage > to muck us up with sin, without him being aware of this in advance? He was aware. > must've known that our state of sin would result. If he knew of > this result in advance, since he is omniscient, how is this any > different from him actually planning for it to happen to all of us? He did plan for it to happen to us. He made a way out of it before He created the world: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+13%3A8&version=KJV 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Before the world was created, God had a plan for us for salvation. It was to take us through school, to establish a baseline for our creation, to teach us a lesson we could learn no other way. > his planned corruption of us via sin? It's clear that this act of > original sin was entirely a set up. In which case, we're not guilty of > it. He gives each of us our volition. We tell Him what it is we want by our choices, by our desires, by that which we personally seek after. God has created Hell and given us the Lamb of God (Jesus) to take away our sin. He's made both paths free, meaning we simply choose which one we desire by what it is we pursue in our lives. Nobody can actually come to Jesus and ask forgiveness for their sin unless God draws us, but He searches continually our hearts and minds and knows fully our real intent on all things. And for all who will seek the truth, He makes that change within them so they will come to faith. >> They are not similar. There is only one God, though there are >> many gods: > There is only one God? One God with a capital-G. I said there are many gods with lower- case g ... including us, for the Bible teaches that we are God's children, and that we are literal gods. > the Bible. As such, a rational man can only conclude that the God of > the Abrahamic religions is an impostor, e.g., Satan or Lucifer or Jesus > Christ, intent on deceiving humanity via the Bible. No. The Bible teaches of God Almighty who exists outside of time and created all things. The god Ra is a real god. He is a demon that is seeking worship from others of God's creation. He is as condemned as Satan, if he is not in fact Satan himself. > Really? If that was true, he wouldn't have put talking animals into the > Bible. It goes towards his credibility. > talking snake Genesis 3:1 The serpent is recorded in Genesis as being the creature that spoke to Eve. It is recorded that as punishment for what that serpent did, he was resigned to crawl on his belly and eat dust all the days of his life. He did not become the snake we see today with no arms or legs until sin, and it is a permanent fixture in our creation to remind us. > talking donkey Numbers 22:28 I accept that on faith. If you read the passage surrounding that, and why God did it, then you see it was God reaching out to save a man from his own folly. God used the resources at hand to rebuke someone and knock some sense into them. > document from the 1990s, but it still archives some of the more bizarre > situations the Bible presents. > https://www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/DarkBibleContents.htm There are no issues with the Bible. Even God commanding Israel to slay all men, women, children, and animals, in the Old Testament, where it seems superficially to be heinous, you have to remember that all people die, and what God commanded Israel to do was diminish their negative, anti-God influence upon the world, so that their false teaching would not exist in the many generations to come, even out to thousands of years later. Israel did not obey God, and we see the result in this world today. There are no issues with the Bible. Some of its teachings take a rather substantial amount of knowledge to understand properly, and some things like a talking donkey we must accept on faith, but none of it is contradictory or conflicting, neither is it just a fairy tale. > didn't have sin when he created us, and he knew exactly what was going > to happen to us in advance. He didn't prevent it. He chose not > to. I.e., he chose not to save us. He gave the world Jesus Christ before He created the world. His plan from day one was to save all who would be saved, but to also condemn all who would be condemned. Each of us tells God by our lives what choice we make. We are living testimonies of our full heart's intent. > "entrapment". So, why must we ask him for forgiveness to fix his > willful intent? ... We're the disease and he's the cure? He infected > us (with sin). God will save all who will seek the truth, Rod. Every man and woman across the Earth. The only people who will go to Hell are those who send themselves there by their own choices, and their own ongoing rebellion against the truth (against God, for He is literal truth). Thank you, Rick C. Hodgin |
| "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Aug 24 08:20AM -0400 On 8/24/2017 7:58 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > Before the world was created, God had a plan for us for salvation. > It was to take us through school, to establish a baseline for our > creation, to teach us a lesson we could learn no other way. To expand upon this, look at the entirety of creation. Everything is built up from things below. We have foundational sub-atomic particles, which build up to components of atoms, which build up to atoms, which build up to molecules, which build up to structures, which build up to assemblies / machines, which build up to factories of all kinds (biological, mechanical, industrial), which build up to provide grander constructs. Our bodies have assemblies. DNA produces proteins which produce structures which assemble into components which build inner cell components, which build cells, which build organs, which provide unique function, which come together to support the body, which in turn supports our mind and ultimately by God's design also is driven by spirit. The goal was the person inhabiting the body, not the body, yet everything of marvelous design and assembly was put together to produce that final form which we are able to inhabit and enjoy. We look at the universe. We see things on our planet comprising that which is here. Our planet is one of several around a sun. Our sun is one of many around the galaxy. Our galaxy is one of many around clusters. Our cluster is one of many in this immense universe. And the Bible teaches us there is an existence beyond what we can physically see here in matter, into the realm of the spiritual world, which the Bible records is not inhabited by the same decay we see here in the material world. Even the New Jerusalem that is coming down is a 1500 mile cube! Why a cube? It has occurred to me that a cube is like a block or brick, a component of a larger structure. Perhaps there is a plan for mankind to continue our education beyond this first existence on the Earth. We are not taught in scripture what is coming for us after we leave this Earth, but we do know some interesting things. God gave man the covenant of circumcision, where the excess flesh is removed on the 8th day. It is to be an everlasting covenant between that male child and God in the faith. We see a similar plan in God's plan of a 7-day creation, and then the 8th day begins, which is the eternal or everlasting day. And, it is after the 7th day is complete that the final judgment occurs, and the "excess flesh' is removed. All who are judged are cast into the lake of fire, and all who are saved are given new bodies and they begin the rest of their eternal existence. What is coming on that 8th day? We see here on Earth that a child is given circumcision on the 8th day, but that child then goes on to grow up and learn the traditions of his family, to learn whatever trades and skills are of interest to him. He's able to demonstrate his unique prowess in this world, such as to create art or poetry or music or whatever... So if we translate this Earthly pattern to something that would be in Heavenly terms, we would see our creation here is an initial sifting, a proving ground, a place where those who are Hell-bent on destruction are removed. From there, all who continue on go through additional learning about God's vast universe where they make their mark as their unique creation allows them, and in the manner of their interests and form and function and in working with others, etc., and without limits as to available tools or resources, but with the fullest of possible expressions given in Heaven where even the streets are paved with gold, and there are no limits to what one can possess and use (remember Moses and the burning bush, fire without consumption of the fuel, and Jesus who was able to replicate a few fish and loaves out to thousands ... this design is also something we in computers can understand as we can create a file, possess it, use it, and share it with literally everybody on the Earth, and the sharing does not diminish our copy, but simply spawns a new one). God has given us all of these examples in scripture, such that He has revealed in parts and piecemeal across the totality of the Bible portions of what may well be His plan for us, even beyond this Earth. But, He never comes right out and says categorically, "After the 7th day, then thou shalt do ..." and so on. ----- The Bible is a most comprehensive document. I do not claim to understand all of it, but I have studied it at length, and gone to Sunday School and listened to sermons instead of watching new episodes of the latest reality TV show. As a result, I am constantly learning with regards to its teachings, and there is an internal confirmation which I get when I hear things which are significant. I am also convinced that the baptism we go through in Jesus' command in the Great Commission in Matthew 28:18+ is not just a water baptism, but it is to be an immersion in our lives in the teachings of God, because it is framed before and after by the command to teach and make disciples. We must hold all things before God, such that we are then re- examining all aspects of our lives in light of His guidance. It helps us trim away that which harms us, and enhance that which aids us, much the way a botanist would do to their plants, to maximize the fullness of it all. It's all there, Rod. It is evident and complete and really astounding beyond words. The Bible is not just a book of stories. It is a real teaching of God, of man, of sin, of salvation, and it provides hints at things which we can see here on Earth, which may translate into Heaven, as there are known correlations, such as we have horses here, and there are horses in Heaven, we have streets here, and there are streets in Heaven, etc. Seek the truth in your considering, Rod. It's all God asks. Seek the whole truth, and He will do the rest in your life. Thank you, Rick C. Hodgin |
| "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Aug 24 08:31AM -0400 This is a post that appeared on comp.lang.c, comp.lang.c++, and alt.os.development, but was not cc'd here. I include it here as it contains a good teachings worth reading. -----[ Begin ]---- On 8/24/2017 7:58 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: >> different from him actually planning for it to happen to all of us? > He did plan for it to happen to us. He made a way out of it before > He created the world: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+13%3A8&version=KJV > Before the world was created, God had a plan for us for salvation. > It was to take us through school, to establish a baseline for our > creation, to teach us a lesson we could learn no other way. To expand upon this, look at the entirety of creation. Everything is built up from things below. We have foundational sub-atomic particles, which build up to components of atoms, which build up to atoms, which build up to molecules, which build up to structures, which build up to assemblies / machines, which build up to factories of all kinds (biological, mechanical, industrial), which build up to provide grander constructs. Our bodies have assemblies. DNA produces proteins which produce structures which assemble into components which build inner cell components, which build cells, which build organs, which provide unique function, which come together to support the body, which in turn supports our mind and ultimately by God's design also is driven by spirit. The goal was the person inhabiting the body, not the body, yet everything of marvelous design and assembly was put together to produce that final form which we are able to inhabit and enjoy. We look at the universe. We see things on our planet comprising that which is here. Our planet is one of several around a sun. Our sun is one of many around the galaxy. Our galaxy is one of many around clusters. Our cluster is one of many in this immense universe. And the Bible teaches us there is an existence beyond what we can physically see here in matter, into the realm of the spiritual world, which the Bible records is not inhabited by the same decay we see here in the material world. Even the New Jerusalem that is coming down is a 1500 mile cube! Why a cube? It has occurred to me that a cube is like a block or brick, a component of a larger structure. Perhaps there is a plan for mankind to continue our education beyond this first existence on the Earth. We are not taught in scripture what is coming for us after we leave this Earth, but we do know some interesting things. God gave man the covenant of circumcision, where the excess flesh is removed on the 8th day. It is to be an everlasting covenant between that male child and God in the faith. We see a similar plan in God's plan of a 7-day creation, and then the 8th day begins, which is the eternal or everlasting day. And, it is after the 7th day is complete that the final judgment occurs, and the "excess flesh' is removed. All who are judged are cast into the lake of fire, and all who are saved are given new bodies and they begin the rest of their eternal existence. What is coming on that 8th day? We see here on Earth that a child is given circumcision on the 8th day, but that child then goes on to grow up and learn the traditions of his family, to learn whatever trades and skills are of interest to him. He's able to demonstrate his unique prowess in this world, such as to create art or poetry or music or whatever... So if we translate this Earthly pattern to something that would be in Heavenly terms, we would see our creation here is an initial sifting, a proving ground, a place where those who are Hell-bent on destruction are removed. From there, all who continue on go through additional learning about God's vast universe where they make their mark as their unique creation allows them, and in the manner of their interests and form and function and in working with others, etc., and without limits as to available tools or resources, but with the fullest of possible expressions given in Heaven where even the streets are paved with gold, and there are no limits to what one can possess and use (remember Moses and the burning bush, fire without consumption of the fuel, and Jesus who was able to replicate a few fish and loaves out to thousands ... this design is also something we in computers can understand as we can create a file, possess it, use it, and share it with literally everybody on the Earth, and the sharing does not diminish our copy, but simply spawns a new one). God has given us all of these examples in scripture, such that He has revealed in parts and piecemeal across the totality of the Bible portions of what may well be His plan for us, even beyond this Earth. But, He never comes right out and says categorically, "After the 7th day, then thou shalt do ..." and so on. ----- The Bible is a most comprehensive document. I do not claim to understand all of it, but I have studied it at length, and gone to Sunday School and listened to sermons instead of watching new episodes of the latest reality TV show. As a result, I am constantly learning with regards to its teachings, and there is an internal confirmation which I get when I hear things which are significant. I am also convinced that the baptism we go through in Jesus' command in the Great Commission in Matthew 28:18+ is not just a water baptism, but it is to be an immersion in our lives in the teachings of God, because it is framed before and after by the command to teach and make disciples. We must hold all things before God, such that we are then re- examining all aspects of our lives in light of His guidance. It helps us trim away that which harms us, and enhance that which aids us, much the way a botanist would do to their plants, to maximize the fullness of it all. It's all there, Rod. It is evident and complete and really astounding beyond words. The Bible is not just a book of stories. It is a real teaching of God, of man, of sin, of salvation, and it provides hints at things which we can see here on Earth, which may translate into Heaven, as there are known correlations, such as we have horses here, and there are horses in Heaven, we have streets here, and there are streets in Heaven, etc. Seek the truth in your considering, Rod. It's all God asks. Seek the whole truth, and He will do the rest in your life. -----[ End ]---- Please consider these words. Read them with scrutiny. And please ask any questions or add any comments. The goal here is to educate you in things regarding God and the Bible you may not know. There is a real enemy at work in this world to teach people wrong things. What I offer you here is an honest teaching and conveyance of that which God has given us through the Bible. It is to give you the account accurately from the source. It allows you to then go and examine the claims made for yourself. Thank you, Rick C. Hodgin |
| Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk>: Aug 24 09:27PM +0100 On 24/08/2017 10:48, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: >> the Bible is true. > I posted this on comp.lang.c. It gives links to real-world evidencee > that confirms the Bible. Everything you say is predicated on your belief that the Bible is true. Well consider this: Assumption #1: Genesis creation story is a myth/allegory and Adam and Eve are a fiction. Assumption #2: Jesus Christ (either biblical or historical) existed. The Bible (Old and New Testaments) describe the genealogy of Jesus Christ all the way from Joseph and Mary back to Adam and Eve. Given our two assumptions at what point does this 50-generation genealogy transition from fact to fiction and what is the proof of this transition? IMO the entire genealogy is suspect and assumption #2 is bogus. There is no evidence contemporary to Christ's existence of his existence: it all came out in the latter part of the first century in writings from the likes of Josephus and Tacitus a significant time after Jesus's supposed death. The Gospels themselves are complete hearsay which wouldn't hold water as evidence in a court of law. If you now claim that assumption #1 is false despite all the evidence to the contrary (e.g. weathering of the Grand Canyon, fossils confirming evolution and evolutionary time scales) then you really are beyond help as nothing can be done to mitigate such obtuse stupidity. [snip] /Flibble |
| kushal bhattacharya <bhattacharya.kushal4@gmail.com>: Aug 23 09:43PM -0700 On Wednesday, August 23, 2017 at 9:55:14 PM UTC+5:30, Scott Lurndal wrote: > or will print a message to stderr. In the latter case, one simply > needs to redirect stderr to a disk file, presumable one opened with > O_APPEND. that message is printed from the system itself in this case it comes suppose if i dont pass the correct json key on the boost json parser in this case that is thrwon by the boost json library itself as abort message |
| kushal bhattacharya <bhattacharya.kushal4@gmail.com>: Aug 23 09:44PM -0700 On Wednesday, August 23, 2017 at 9:15:15 PM UTC+5:30, red floyd wrote: > Or "If I changed the OS, would the question still be relevant?" > For the first, if the answer was yes, you would be off-topic. > For the second, if the answer was no, you would be off-topic. but its a facilty of c++ too i guess.I am mainly concerned about dumping the abort message from the program to my own custom file . |
| red floyd <dont.bother@its.invalid>: Aug 24 10:38AM -0700 On 8/23/2017 9:44 PM, kushal bhattacharya wrote: >> For the first, if the answer was yes, you would be off-topic. >> For the second, if the answer was no, you would be off-topic. > but its a facilty of c++ too i guess.I am mainly concerned about dumping the abort message from the program to my own custom file . The ISO standard does not discuss it. You yourself have said it's generated by the OS. Therefore by definition, it's out of scope here. |
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