| Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk>: Aug 17 12:26AM +0100 On 17/08/2017 00:20, Melzzzzz wrote: >> "If children don't deserve to have a father and a mother, who does?" > Depends on context. If you go to that site you will see that there is > nothing homophobic there. The article to which that quote refers to has been removed. It was homophobic. /Flibble |
| "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com>: Aug 17 02:43AM +0200 On 8/16/2017 8:04 PM, Mr Flibble wrote: >> your list -- https://github.com/Ebenezer-group/onwards > Or don't. The library (or its author) appears to be homophobic judging > by links on its website. I think it's all right to /be/ homophobic, or whatever. But it's another matter to argue for discrimination of homosexuals. I think very different psychological mechanisms are involved in the phobia case and the discrimination case. A person who is phobic about something doesn't necessarily discriminate on that basis. A person who discriminates (or argues for it) doesn't necessarily have a phobia. Cheers!, - Alf (very off-topic) |
| woodbrian77@gmail.com: Aug 16 05:50PM -0700 On Wednesday, August 16, 2017 at 1:04:50 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote: > > your list -- https://github.com/Ebenezer-group/onwards > Or don't. The library (or its author) appears to be homophobic judging > by links on its website. I'm a bopper -- biblically oriented programmer. In spite of a lot of anti-religious bigotry from people here, I'm doing fine and the company is doing fine. Brian Ebenezer Enterprises - "You are the light of the world. A city on a hill cannot be hidden." Matthew 5:14 http://webEbenezer.net |
| David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>: Aug 17 09:43AM +0200 On 17/08/17 01:14, Mr Flibble wrote: > No place in your organization? Care to tell us which organization that > is? Words are cheap when you hide behind anonymity "Real Troll". > /Flibble Look at his posting name - he is /trolling/ ! It was not one of his best efforts, which are much more subtle. In fact, it was so blatant that I think it was just his way of condemning homophobia with sarcasm. Of course, we hit Poe's law here: <http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Poe%27s_Law> |
| Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com>: Aug 17 09:00PM +1200 > In spite of a lot of anti-religious bigotry from > people here, I'm doing fine and the company is doing > fine. Bigotry? Pot, kettle. -- Ian |
| David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>: Aug 17 12:14PM +0200 On 17/08/17 02:43, Alf P. Steinbach wrote: >> Or don't. The library (or its author) appears to be homophobic judging >> by links on its website. > I think it's all right to /be/ homophobic, or whatever. That would depend on what is meant by "homophobic", I think. As a strict psychological term, it would mean having an irrational fear of homosexuals or homosexuality. This, I think, would be a very rare condition. For real phobias, the sufferer knows it is irrational and sees it as a disadvantage - just ask anyone with arachnophobia or claustrophobia, for example. The common use of the term is for people who /choose/ to dislike homosexuals and/or homosexuality. It is still irrational, of course, but they do not see it as irrational - they rationalise it to themselves (by claims about their religion, or that it is "destroying families", or "unhealthy" or "unnatural"). > But it's another matter to argue for discrimination of homosexuals. Absolutely agreed - like other discrimination, it is to be abhorred. Somewhere in the middle we are left people who dislike homosexuals and/or homosexuality, but do not discriminate on it. These are not psychologically homophobic - their dislike is a choice or a product of choices, such as their interpretation of their religious beliefs. If it is possible for them to put those dislikes aside and not act on or promote them, then I it is fine - it becomes just personal preference. |
| David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>: Aug 17 12:18PM +0200 > In spite of a lot of anti-religious bigotry from > people here, I'm doing fine and the company is doing > fine. I think most people have nothing against people being religious or believing in whatever supernatural entities they want. Most of us do, however, have something against the bigotry and other evils that some people perpetrate using their religion as an excuse. |
| Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk>: Aug 17 04:57PM +0100 > In spite of a lot of anti-religious bigotry from > people here, I'm doing fine and the company is doing > fine. Bigotry is using religion or "God" as an excuse to spread hatred about minority groups. /Flibble |
| woodbrian77@gmail.com: Aug 17 10:42AM -0700 On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 10:58:04 AM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote: > > fine. > Bigotry is using religion or "God" as an excuse to spread hatred about > minority groups. I started Ebenezer Enterprises because I think marriage (a man and a woman) is important. Why is it important? Because children are important and they deserve to have both a father and a mother. Another defender of conservative beliefs is Ben Shapiro over at Dailywire.com . His podcasts and articles are examples of American exceptionalism. Brian Ebenezer Enterprises - Enjoy programming again. http://webEbenezer.net |
| Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk>: Aug 17 06:59PM +0100 > (a man and a woman) is important. Why is it important? > Because children are important and they deserve to have > both a father and a mother. So the rapist must marry his victim so the child can have a father and mother? You are fucking bigoted idiot Brian. /Flibble |
| woodbrian77@gmail.com: Aug 17 11:21AM -0700 On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 12:59:28 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote: > > both a father and a mother. > So the rapist must marry his victim so the child can have a father and > mother? If the victim is single, she could give the baby up for adoption. I support castration for rapists. Please don't swear here. Brian |
| red floyd <dont.bother@its.invalid>: Aug 17 11:28AM -0700 > Please don't swear here. Fuck off. |
| Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk>: Aug 17 07:42PM +0100 >> mother? > If the victim is single, she could give the baby up > for adoption. I support castration for rapists. Either the victim doesn't want the child in which case abortion is preferable or she wants the child in which case who the fuck are you to say she can't be a single mum? YOU ARE A FUCKING BIGOT BRIAN. /Flibble |
| Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se>: Aug 17 07:07PM On Thu, 2017-08-17, woodbrian77@gmail.com wrote: ... > (a man and a woman) is important. Why is it important? > Because children are important and they deserve to have > both a father and a mother. I normally stay out of these offtopic threads, but that makes no sense to me at all, and I'm curious: /Why/ is that important? A lot more children grow up with only one parent, or one sane parent and one who's impaired by insanity or drug abuse, or who's beating his partner, or the child has no real parent at all. A lot of those children grown up okay. So why is it a problem if both parents are men, or women? After all, parenting doesn't involve using your genitals. "Blind guides, who strain out the gnat but gulp down the camel" comes to mind. I'm not PC, and I am saddened by Leigh's endless trolling, which may have provoked you to write things you really don't believe much -- but this is obvious to me. It's also obvious to Christian friends of mine. Why isn't it obvious to you? /Jorgen -- // Jorgen Grahn <grahn@ Oo o. . . \X/ snipabacken.se> O o . |
| "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Aug 17 03:34PM -0400 On 8/17/2017 3:07 PM, Jorgen Grahn wrote: > have provoked you to write things you really don't believe much -- but > this is obvious to me. It's also obvious to Christian friends of > mine. Why isn't it obvious to you? You are in error, Jorgen. The Bible is absolutely clear that marriage was intended by God to be only between a man a woman. If you look at the Law of Moses, it contains death for homosexuals. If you look at the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah you see that God destroyed those cities before the day of judgment as a warning to the rest of them. In the New Testament, Paul calls homosexuality a vile affection, an error, and states that those who engage in such things have turned against God and nature and are doing things which are inconvenient and are of a reprobate mind (Romans 1:26-27): https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+1&version=KJV We also have the direct passage which states that homosexuality will literally keep someone out of Heaven, and that includes all who agree with homosexuality even if they do not actively engage in it with their own bodies: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+6%3A9-10&version=KJV You'll note the quote there: "abusers of themselves with mankind." This was the term for homosexuality when the King James Bible was written in the early 1600s. More modern translations have it written in our words: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+6%3A9-10&version=ISV https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+6%3A9-10&version=NIV And in general Biblical philosophy you have God creating them male and female, stating it was not good for the man to be alone when He had only at that time made Adam. He put Adam to sleep and brought him someone to keep him from being alone, and it was Eve. The Bible records that for this reason will a man leave his mother and father and go and be united to his wife and the two shall no longer be twain, but shall be one flesh. And then there is the bride of Christ (the church) being married in eternity to the Bridegroom (Jesus), such that we are going to receive all He has through this marriage, as He receives all we have, just as our marriages here on Earth. Gay marriage is a complete abomination against God. It is literally Satan's teaching regarding a false form of "love" that is used to describe that type of relationship. Satan is trying to grant to the meaning of "love" an abomination before God, trying to deceive us through our flesh-based reasoning mind, such that we will buy into the concept that "love is love" and the like. ----- The truth remains solidly given to mankind by God, and nobody who embraces homosexuality will enter into Heaven, unless they repent and ask forgiveness for their sin ... and this remains true no matter what percentage of the population says, "No, it is okay to be gay." It never is okay to be gay as it goes against everything God has established in His creation here for the understanding of man on the Earth. Thank you, Rick C. Hodgin |
| Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk>: Aug 17 08:46PM +0100 On 17/08/2017 20:34, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > It never is okay to be gay as it goes against everything God > has established in His creation here for the understanding of > man on the Earth. Alternatively God doesn't exist and gay marriage is absolutely fine. Your bigotry couldn't be any more egregious Rick. /Flibble |
| "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Aug 17 03:55PM -0400 On 8/17/2017 3:46 PM, Mr Flibble wrote: > Alternatively God doesn't exist and gay marriage is absolutely fine. That is the teaching of Satan. It is his hope that you will believe it to the point of your death whereby you will die in your sin and unforgiven by Jesus for it, so that your eternal soul will be cast into Hell. > Your bigotry couldn't be any more egregious Rick. It is Satan's teaching that the people who teach the things of God are bigots and the like. It is Satan's teaching that the things of God, which are really right and true, are "wrong" (by his false teaching), because Satan is the enemy of God, and the enemy of man. ----- You are being deceived by an enemy who wishes you destroyed, Leigh. If you want to the know the truth, seek it for real, and God Himself will make sure you find it. Not me. Not anyone else. But God will know if you are truly seeking the truth or not, and He alone will lead you to it. Thank you, Rick C. Hodgin |
| Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com>: Aug 18 08:02AM +1200 On 08/18/17 07:34 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > It never is okay to be gay as it goes against everything God > has established in His creation here for the understanding of > man on the Earth. People are what they are, not what they chose to be. Bigotry is a choice. -- Ian |
| Paul N <gw7rib@aol.com>: Aug 17 12:48PM -0700 On Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 7:03:00 PM UTC+1, R.Wieser wrote: > in the vc++ program), but have no idea about the/its side-effects. > Like who is responsible for freeing the objects memory in case a virtual > destructor is executed. I think you may be confused about what a destructor is. A destructor does not kill off an object. An object can be killed off in various ways. One is if it has been created using "new" and you call "delete" on it. Another is if it is an automatic variable (a "local" variable) and the program reaches the end of the block it is in. When the object is destroyed, two things happen - the destructor is called, and the memory occupied by the object is freed. So the destructor does not kill the object, but is a chance for the programmer to specify what happens when the object is killed by some other means. For example, the destructor can be used to close any open files, or it can free some other memory that the object has allocated (but not the memory used by the object itself). So, whether it's a virtual destructor or not, you do not need to worry about freeing the memory actually occupied by the object. Unless you've used "placement new". > The same goes for the "delete(object)" command. I assume it its, apart > from zeroing-the object variable after the method call returns, fully > equivalent to "object->~object();", but am not at all sure of it. I don't think that there's any guarantee it will zero the memory, but it will free it, yes. > I have googled, but I only seem to be able to find pages talking about > derived classes, which is most certainly not how I'm using it. The only point in declaring the destructor virtual is if you are at least planning on having derived classes. The point is that you can then delete a derived class using a pointer of type "pointer to base". > So, in the case of a virtual destructor, who is responsible for/does the > releasing of the objects allocated memory ? And are there other (side) > effects I should be aware of ? No, it should all work as planned. Virtual destructors are good. |
| "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Aug 17 11:47AM -0400 Eternity begins when we leave this world. For some that means joy. For other it means terror. All of us will spend eternity somewhere. Unless your sin has been forgiven, for you it will be in the lake of fire writhing in agony and torment unending. It will consume your existence and overrun you completely. You'll never have another free thought, a moment of contemplation, a some real consideration, but the pain and agony and torture will consume everything about you. That is the end for all who reject the truth. Who refuse to acknowledge their sin, and who refuse to acknowledge they are in need of a savior. What Jesus offers you is eternity in the paradise of Heaven, face-to-face with God in a place He's prepared for you, in an immortal body. God is offering to give you the Kingdom. Total forgiveness for your sin is found only in Him. He is willing to completely restore you to Himself in eternity. It is even His good pleasure to give you the Kingdom. He will do this for all who will hear the truth, who will acknowledge their own sin, and ask Him to forgive them. There will be no one who comes to Him who is cut off or cast out. The only souls who will be cut off are those who who, by their hard heart, refuse to accept Him, to come to Him and ask forgiveness. Such people totally deny the truth, and Hell was created to hold all manner of falseness in a fully and completely self-contained space. All who enter in to Hell will never return, because they are a cancer upon truth, serving only the needs of falseness ... which, like cancer, continue to eat away at all that is good until it is perverted and destroyed, and that God will not abide in His Kingdom, in eternity in His House. ----- Jesus has gone ahead and prepared a place for you. It is a place in Heaven. It is beautiful and glorious. He's put your name on it and reserved it for you. He's done this so you can go there and be with Him where He is in all things forever. You've been provided for. Well taken care of. Looked after. And it will continue to go on. No more struggling. No more heartache or trials or pains or sufferings. The old ways will have passed in Heaven, having been resigned only to our existence here. God wants us thriving and living and shining and blossoming and doing great and wonderful things worthy of His creation in us. He wants more than anything to forgive us and restore us to this purposeful intent He had for us before sin entered in to this world and your life and destroyed everything. ----- All you have to do is acknowledge that you're a sinner, and ask Him to forgive you, and believe in your heart that He is capable of doing this. How is it possible? It is logical. Jesus went to the cross sinless. God the Father supernaturally reached across all time and put the sin of all who would believe on the name of Jesus onto Him at the cross. Jesus died here on Earth in the body with our sin charged to Him. This made Him pay for sin in our place. He became our sacrifice, so that God would pour out the punishment He demands for sin upon His own Son, rather than upon us. In so doing, He set us free from judgment! Jesus gets judged in our place, and we are released from God's judgment and are not judged, but are gifted the fullness of Christ's own righteousness. We are made spotless and perfect by what Jesus did at the cross. Jesus is consumed of God, and we are set free. Please note: Jesus did this willingly! It was His choice to do this for us because He loves us and wants us to be with Him. But, He wants us to recognize our place. We are not taking advantage of Him by receiving His offering. It is literally THE reason He came into the world ... to save that which was lost (us) to sin. But it comes with real knowledge, a real acknowledgement of who He is and who we are not. This pastor does an excellent job of describing this here (begins at 34:56, at 35:50, at 38:18, at 40:13, at 40:55. I would advise you to listen to it. What He teaches here are God's words of life given so that we might be redeemed. God doesn't want us tricked or fooled or deceived by the devil. He wants us to follow Him and to know the truth. He wants us to overcome the devil by our faith in Him, and by Him saving us, and giving us the new nature which comes with salvation, that thing which is achievable no other way, but only by His completed work at the cross: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7_x1tWGfy0&t=34m56s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7_x1tWGfy0&t=35m50s "In 2 Cor 5, Jesus goes from the essence of God to the essence of sin. How far apart is that? From the essence of God to the essence of sin? That's the love of God. 2 Corinthians 5:17+ to the end of the chapter." "What's going on here? That we might be made the righteousness of God in Him. He made Him to be sin, not a sinner, but sin. It's why God turned His back on Him. And [Jesus] cried from the cross, 'My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken me?' In plainer words, from the highest possible place, the essence of God, to the lowest possible place on this Earth. You can't get any lower than that. When He died on the cross, He died there as the essence of sin. 'Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit' [Jesus said]. That's a wonderful thing, because it tells me that He who spared not His only Son, who offered Him up for us all..." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7_x1tWGfy0&t=38m18s The God of the Second Chance. He instructs you. He will chasten you go guide you as a good father would his son whom he loves. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7_x1tWGfy0&t=40m13s He'll chasten you. He'll forgive you. He'll love you. He'll fellowship with you. He'll walk with you. He'll commune with you. You're His son/daughter. And all He wants you to do is acknowledge that, come back to Him and say, "Lord I need your strength, there's a sin that besets me, there's a sin I'm having a hard time getting a victory over. I need you Lord, I need your strength. I need your forgiveness." And it'll come. It'll come. It'll come from a gracious heart. He's a longsuffering God. And you'll learn after years of that ... it'll build your faith. It will strengthen your walk with God. ----- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7_x1tWGfy0&t=40m55s "You'll begin to understand the graciousness of one who allowed sin to come into the universe to begin with. You gotta get that nailed down in your soul. He did not react to the entrance of sin. Known unto God are all of His works. And then you begin to understand something about the one who allowed it to happen in the beginning so that He would teach an unforgettable lesson to His creation, because they would learn something about God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Ghost that they could never learn any other way. And when the day comes that you ever stand in His presence, you'll jump up and down and shout and glorify God and say 'Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Hallelujah! I don't deserve to be here, but You've been good to me. Hallelujah to God!' Hallelujah! He's been a good God. You'll sing with the redeemed and you'll shout and rejoice because you know the one that's sitting on that Throne. And He is worthy! He's worthy of our praise and our adoration. Because we know Him. He's proven Himself to us. He's lifted us from the dunghill to very Palace of the King." ----- Ask Jesus to forgive your sin today, and enter in to eternity as a living soul. Leave the fate of the judged and condemned. There will be no returning from that final judgment, and that final condemnation to the lake of fire where every soul cast in will spend a conscious eternity in writhing agony and utter torment because they totally rejected the truth. It is the sufficient "prison" God created for an eternal being made in the image and likeness of God, with the real power and authority He affords us by our very design and nature in His creation. On this Earth a lion is a fierce creation capable of much because of how he's put together. We are made in the image and likeness of God and we are powerful creations. And to constrain those in this children-of-God form, nothing less than Hell would suffice, and what He created as Hell is wholly sufficient to keep all evil, all sin, all falseness out of His universe forever. Nothing that enters in to the lake of fire will ever escape. No not ever. It is the ongoing death that never ebbs, but is the full containment for eternal beings who cannot die, in a place where they can do no harm to the rest of God's creation. ----- This is your salvation in Jesus Christ. He is saving from that end. Jesus is offering you everything for free. All you have to do is ask Him and you can be released from judgment, released from condemnation and live forever in an angel-like body, with unlimited resources, under the ongoing tutelage of an infinite God who has so many more things to teach us in this vast universe He created ... we've only scratched the surface of the surface here in this world and in our Earthly understanding. What remains is infinite, because the God who created it is infinite. ----- Do not enter into judgment in eternity over matters of selfish and foolish pride, or over a particular lust over some thing here in this world that you don't want to give up. What is coming for us in eternity is so much better than what we have today that they could not even be weighted on the same scale. Choose the way of truth, and of life. Cast off the devil's shiny trinkets of traps and snares. Say no to his apparent nice things which are only veils for death. Ask Jesus to forgive your sin and feel the weight of God's eternal judgment come off of you in a way that you can feel. And feel the new life enter in to your soul in a way that you can feel. And feel His free gift of eternity assert itself within your soul in a way that you can feel. What He gives you by way of a full pardon ... it is tangible, and it's more than a prisoner would feel when he's let go from prison, because you are that prisoner, and you'll be let go from an eternal prison I love you so much that I'm willing to teach you all of this at the expense it will cost me ... but even with my loss to you in the cases where there is loss, it is to my greater gain for those who do hear. And know this: Jesus loves you far more than I do because He is Love literally, and He is capable of loving you in a full, complete, and eternal way even right now. Ask Him to forgive your sin. Do it today. Right now. This very second. Choose eternity. Choose life. Choose truth. And make the choice for you, your family, your friends, your co-workers. Lead them all to this same glorious end of living in the paradise of Heaven with God in a body like the angels, with a home in a place where even the streets are paved with gold, and how much more so the beautiful things? Give yourself permission to be set free from your sin. Give yourself permission to come to Jesus and ask Him to forgive you. Give yourself permission to receive this, His greatest gift for you. And act on that decision right now. Love you, Rick C. Hodgin |
| kushal bhattacharya <bhattacharya.kushal4@gmail.com>: Aug 16 10:58PM -0700 Hi, Is there any c++ library as such third party or built in, that dumps set of c++ code based on certain command from the main c++ program into a file (which would make a fresh c++ program by dumping c++ code based on commands passed from the main c++ program)? Thanks |
| "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com>: Aug 17 08:27AM +0200 On 8/17/2017 7:58 AM, kushal bhattacharya wrote: > dumps set of c++ code based on certain command from the main c++ > program into a file (which would make a fresh c++ program by dumping > c++ code based on commands passed from the main c++ program)? Thanks That's easy to write, unless you have some really special requirements. The main problem is if you want to automate a compiler invocation, since there's no standard for that. You can require the user to provide a script for that. Cheers & hth., - Alf |
| kushal bhattacharya <bhattacharya.kushal4@gmail.com>: Aug 16 11:30PM -0700 On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 11:57:46 AM UTC+5:30, Alf P. Steinbach wrote: > You can require the user to provide a script for that. > Cheers & hth., > - Alf Could you please provide me some sample code about how to do this :) ? |
| kushal bhattacharya <bhattacharya.kushal4@gmail.com>: Aug 16 11:35PM -0700 On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 11:57:46 AM UTC+5:30, Alf P. Steinbach wrote: > You can require the user to provide a script for that. > Cheers & hth., > - Alf suppose from the main c++ program i pass command to write code for listening sockets then the code for listening socket would be written to the c++ program file and like this the code would be written based on the command i pass from the main c++ program |
| kushal bhattacharya <bhattacharya.kushal4@gmail.com>: Aug 17 01:59AM -0700 On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 11:28:32 AM UTC+5:30, kushal bhattacharya wrote: > Hi, > Is there any c++ library as such third party or built in, that dumps set of c++ code based on certain command from the main c++ program into a file (which would make a fresh c++ program by dumping c++ code based on commands passed from the main c++ program)? > Thanks Finally, I am dumping those set of codes by calling that required bash script from the main c++ program which has those set of codes to be written on the fresh c++ program |
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