Friday, December 4, 2020

Digest for comp.lang.c++@googlegroups.com - 6 updates in 3 topics

Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid>: Dec 04 08:59PM

On 02/12/2020 18:14, Bonita Montero wrote:
>    descendants and not convertible classes.
> 2. With external operators you can attach semantics to a class like
>    if you would have defined a member-operator.
 
Yes, but why?
 
I want to have operators for internal data types within a class whose
behaviour varies depending on the class.
 
Andy
Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com>: Dec 03 07:22PM -0800

>> questions with courtesy and respect I don't see why I
>> should feel obliged to do so for yours.
 
> It wasn't "just a question", Tim. It was rude and insulting.
 
I'm sorry if it came across that way. It was meant to
be just a question.
Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com>: Dec 03 08:56PM -0800


>> It wasn't "just a question", Tim. It was rude and insulting.
 
> I'm sorry if it came across that way. It was meant to
> be just a question.
 
Given the context, I don't believe you.
 
--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com
Working, but not speaking, for Philips Healthcare
void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */
Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com>: Dec 04 06:24AM -0800


>> I'm sorry if it came across that way. It was meant to
>> be just a question.
 
> Given the context, I don't believe you.
 
Your recent comments strike me as being rude and insulting. Was
it your intention to be rude and insulting? (That is not meant
as a rhetorical question - I'm asking because I would like to
hear your answer.)
Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com>: Dec 04 11:18AM -0800

> it your intention to be rude and insulting? (That is not meant
> as a rhetorical question - I'm asking because I would like to
> hear your answer.)
 
My comments were intended to be critical. My most recent comment,
"I don't believe you" was probably a bit rude, and deliberately so.
It was in response to my perception that you were being rude and
pretending not to be. You claimed it was "just a question", but
it was immediately followed by a refusal to offer "courtesy and
respect", so your claim seemed disingenuous. I had found your
original "Can you first explain" remark to be an inappropriate
response to a reasonable question from Juha, part of what I perceive
to be your pattern of deliberately withholding information and
unreasonably expecting others to figure out what you meant.
 
I'm starting to think that you have geniune difficulty knowing how
you come across to others. (That last statement was not intended
to be either rude or critical.)
 
--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com
Working, but not speaking, for Philips Healthcare
void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */
Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com>: Dec 03 07:47PM -0800

> searches might have missed the relevant clause. I love being made to
> sound absolutely certain about something I've explicitly expressed
> doubts about.
 
I assume you are being sarcastic.
 
I didn't include the statement that you might have missed
something because I wasn't responding to that part of your
posting. Besides, a statement that one may have missed something
seems rather superfluous, so including it seems redundant. I
didn't take it out to make you look dumb; I took it out because
it wasn't relevant to what I was saying, which is about where
to look to find the information desired. I'm sorry if it came
across as insulting, that was not my intention.
 
> The reason my text searches didn't find it is that I was looking for
> the phrase "array of length one", which has been replaced by
> "single-element array".
 
The people who have done the editing/writing/formatting for the
C++ standard have made a lot of decisions that make it harder to
read than it could be. One of those decisions is to use fonts
that are too small for the medium in which they appear. When I
read the C++ standard, I often crank up the magnification a step
or two to help with this problem. Another trick I use: when
looking at a particular page I (try to) always read the footnotes
on the page whether or not they look relevant to the passage I
was looking for. In the C++ standard in particular the side
material often contains useful information that is hard to find
in the main text, so "looking sideways" as it were in many cases
turns up something helpful or useful, even if not always directly
related to what is being sought at the moment.
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