- The Rapture (Reprise ad infinitum) - 23 Updates
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| bitrex <user@example.net>: Aug 31 08:48PM -0400 On 08/30/2018 09:45 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > word of God (the Bible). > Some verse by verse, concept by concept, explanation: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5te0v0zCOjc Those verses don't say anything about "people will just wink out of existence in immediacy, probably with no visible flash or audio sound." I think the Bible says what it means. No more, and no less. All else is supposition - if I try to extrapolate the exact meaning of the phrase involving "changed" then I'm just a man trying to clairvoyantly read the specifics of the mind of God through words in a book. Which makes no sense. |
| "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Aug 31 06:13PM -0700 On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 8:48:23 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote: > Those verses don't say anything about "people will just wink out of > existence in immediacy, probably with no visible flash or audio sound." 1 Corinthians 15:51-52 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, ==> 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. > supposition - if I try to extrapolate the exact meaning of the phrase > involving "changed" then I'm just a man trying to clairvoyantly read the > specifics of the mind of God through words in a book. Which makes no sense. How we are changed is explained in other verses: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+15%3A35-58&version=KJV 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. The answers in detail are there. You can ask for them rather than concluding I am wrong. I have very valid Biblical reasons for writing the things I do. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Philippians+3%3A20-21&version=KJV 20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: 21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be ==> fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself. -- Rick C. Hodgin |
| bitrex <user@example.net>: Aug 31 09:31PM -0400 On 08/31/2018 09:13 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > ==> fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to > the working whereby he is able even to subdue all > things unto himself. Doesn't say a thing about going nowhere. |
| "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Aug 31 07:07PM -0700 On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 9:31:14 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote: > > the working whereby he is able even to subdue all > > things unto himself. > Doesn't say a thing about going nowhere. If you study the Bible, you'll learn the truth: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Thessalonians+4%3A16-18&version=KJV 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: ==> 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up ==> together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words. We learn from prior examples in the Bible, such as when Jesus appeared in the upper room after His resurrection, in a locked room He appeared with no noise, no fanfare. On the mountain, Jesus was transformed, giving us a preview of His 2nd coming glory, no fanfare. When the Holy Spirit whisked Phillip away, no fanfare. When the Day of Pentecost was fully come, a great rushing noise with the arrival of the Holy Spirit. When Elijah was taken up, a great fanfare. When Enoch was taken, no fanfare (Enoch being a precursor example of the rapture). These all lend information, a pattern, which conveys information regarding the way things are written in the Bible. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5te0v0zCOjc Information comes from study. -- Rick C. Hodgin |
| "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid>: Aug 31 08:08PM -0700 On 8/30/2018 3:38 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote: >> The rapture will happen soon; the last ones didn't happen because >> reasons. > What happens in the rapture? Will you just drop dead, or disappear? It sounds like an epic cataclysmic event where the saved and the damned are truthfully and fully sorted out in front of all to see, residing within their brand new spiritual bodies, that never die. Unless God sentences it to death, like Satan. |
| "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Aug 31 08:21PM -0700 On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 11:08:30 PM UTC-4, Chris M. Thomasson wrote: > are truthfully and fully sorted out in front of all to see, residing > within their brand new spiritual bodies, that never die. Unless God > sentences it to death, like Satan. People are being sorted out now. When the rapture comes, it's the consummation of that sifting. -- Rick C. Hodgin |
| bitrex <user@example.net>: Sep 01 01:29AM -0400 On 08/31/2018 10:07 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > ==> together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in > the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. > 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words. AFAIK it's been Church doctrine for a very long time that Heaven and Hell are not in the sky, in the clouds, underground, in outer space, on Neptune, in the Andromeda Galaxy, or in any Earthly/physical realm, so I don't see how discussion of clouds/air implies a rapture to Heaven of any kind. |
| bitrex <user@example.net>: Sep 01 01:39AM -0400 On 09/01/2018 01:29 AM, bitrex wrote: >> regarding the way things are written in the Bible. >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5te0v0zCOjc >> Information comes from study. Sounds like making salvation contingent on "secret knowledge" in a Gnostic-like fashion. I don't believe in such "secret knowledge" it seems to me the Bible is quite plain and clear about what is required. No more and no less. |
| "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid>: Aug 31 10:57PM -0700 On 8/31/2018 8:21 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: >> sentences it to death, like Satan. > People are being sorted out now. When the rapture comes, it's > the consummation of that sifting. I do not believe in the rapture. |
| bitrex <user@example.net>: Sep 01 01:58AM -0400 On 08/31/2018 11:21 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: >> sentences it to death, like Satan. > People are being sorted out now. When the rapture comes, it's > the consummation of that sifting. Revelation 13:7 - "And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations." So even the saints have to endure the cataclysm but Rick Hodgin gets a VIP pass to Heaven? Why? 13:16 - "And he causeth _all_, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads." Is there confusion over what the word "all" means? Does it say "All, except for Rick Hodgin?" |
| "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid>: Aug 31 10:58PM -0700 On 8/31/2018 10:57 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote: >> People are being sorted out now. When the rapture comes, it's >> the consummation of that sifting. > I do not believe in the rapture. However, I do think of a judgement day, but not people being caught up in the sky as if they are flying, or simply disappearing altogether. |
| "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid>: Aug 31 11:02PM -0700 On 8/31/2018 10:58 PM, bitrex wrote: > and tongues, and nations." > So even the saints have to endure the cataclysm but Rick Hodgin gets a > VIP pass to Heaven? Why? Right. I think the rapture is not true because God's elect, or the "chosen" ones, need to be here on earth to face the demon. Something like: https://youtu.be/J3oI0DMtHi4 The rapture is a lie of Satan. It simply has to be. |
| bitrex <user@example.net>: Sep 01 02:36AM -0400 On 09/01/2018 02:02 AM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote: > Right. I think the rapture is not true because God's elect, or the > "chosen" ones, need to be here on earth to face the demon. Something like: > https://youtu.be/J3oI0DMtHi4 Revelations talks a lot about the patience and endurance of the faithful, if it should be talking about what the faithful must endure prior to a pre-tribulation Rapture it's talking about...what. Enduring religious debates on the Internet? Enduring high gas prices or someone you don't like being elected President or favorite Netflix show being canceled? Is that what it's talking about enduring? |
| "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid>: Aug 31 11:46PM -0700 On 8/31/2018 11:36 PM, bitrex wrote: > religious debates on the Internet? Enduring high gas prices or someone > you don't like being elected President or favorite Netflix show being > canceled? Is that what it's talking about enduring? lol. :^) |
| bitrex <user@example.net>: Sep 01 03:33AM -0400 On 08/30/2018 07:57 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > difficulties in the New Testament, specifically in the book of > Revelation, as that's the only book with things left to be fulfilled > during that post-rapture age. Don't you worry, I don't plan on taking any fuckin' mark. If anyone comes around asking about it I'm gonna just play dumb. Like with Jehovah's Witnesses I'll just pretend I only speak German until they give up. |
| Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com>: Sep 01 10:17PM +1200 On 01/09/18 18:02, Chris M. Thomasson wrote: > The rapture is a lie of Satan. It simply has to be. It also has bugger all to do with C++. -- Ian. |
| "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Sep 01 05:33AM -0700 The rapture is for the saints (believers in Jesus Christ). Those events described in Revelation regarding the tribulation are for those left behind. The knowledge of God /IS/ hidden from those who are perishing. Only those who are being saved can receive the gospel message. The rest will conclude the message is utter foolishness, until the day they leave this Earth. -- Rick C. Hodgin |
| "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Sep 01 05:45AM -0700 On Saturday, September 1, 2018 at 2:02:32 AM UTC-4, Chris M. Thomasson wrote: > > and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads." > > Is there confusion over what the word "all" means? Does it say "All, > > except for Rick Hodgin?" Revelation is the time of God's wrath. Very few people worldwide will survive. The rest will perish with the many "plagues" God pours out on the ungodly. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+16-18&version=NIV The saints are not appointed to wrath: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Thessalonians+5%3A9-10&version=NIV Every answer to every thought on the matter you have is answered in scripture. Bur no one can receive it unless they are looking for the truth. The truth defeats every lie. God is truth, and His Word is truth. -- Rick C. Hodgin |
| Christian Gollwitzer <auriocus@gmx.de>: Sep 01 04:00PM +0200 Am 30.08.18 um 22:17 schrieb Mr Flibble: > insistence on posting off-topic religious posts to a technical > newsgroup. If you don't like the satire then stop with the posts but > don't whine about it: you reap what you sow. SInce long I keep seeing your satirical posts, but haven't seen a religious one from Rick in a while. So now YOU are the one flooding the group with BS, please stop it. Christian |
| bitrex <user@example.net>: Sep 01 10:49AM -0400 On 09/01/2018 08:45 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > in scripture. Bur no one can receive it unless they are looking > for the truth. The truth defeats every lie. God is truth, and > His Word is truth. I think Chris raises a perfectly valid point which is if all the true faithful are raptured then who is left behind to confront the Beast? I can't say I've ever met a Rapture-theologist who didn't believe they were the saved along with all the other Rapture-saved and everyone else is ungodly left behind to perish which would then make one wonder what the point of any of all the rest of the stuff written in Revelations is. It could be entirely summarized in one sentence: "Terrible things will happen to the ungodly but don't worry about it you're the faithful and won't be around for it." what was the point of the exercise. |
| bitrex <user@example.net>: Sep 01 11:03AM -0400 On 09/01/2018 08:45 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > in scripture. Bur no one can receive it unless they are looking > for the truth. The truth defeats every lie. God is truth, and > His Word is truth. Okay, well if God should tell me some other truth I'll be sure to run it by you first so you can correct Him. |
| "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Sep 01 08:16AM -0700 On Saturday, September 1, 2018 at 10:49:25 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote: > It could be entirely summarized in one sentence: "Terrible things will > happen to the ungodly but don't worry about it you're the faithful and > won't be around for it." what was the point of the exercise. It's a good question. It's answered in the videos I've shared in this thread, but I'll summarize here: God has His chosen nation: Israel. They were the focus of the Old Testament, and they will be His focus during the tribulation, but because the Jews rejected Jesus as their Messiah when He came to the Earth, the age of gentiles (non-Jews) was established. Jesus explains this in a parable about those being bidden to a man's feast. The servants of the man asked all the prominent members of the community to attend, but they all had excuses why they couldn't make it. So, the man instructed the servants to go out into the streets and compel even lame people to come: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+14%3A15-24&version=NIV This was/is the age of the blind, lame, pitiful, to be bidden to the Lord's banquet. They are the gentiles, wretched in sin, whom Jesus makes pure by washing away their sin by His blood. ----- Because the Jews rejected Jesus, He gave them what they wanted. Israel's eyes have been blinded by God to Jesus being the Messiah, but after the rapture that blindness will be taken away. Israel was bot a nation again until 1948. They didn't have their capital back until 1968. God is again preparing Israel to be His people. The Jews will then see Jesus as their Messiah, and they will be the tribulation saints, along with those gentiles who come to believe during that time. Good question. -- Rick C. Hodgin |
| "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Sep 01 08:19AM -0700 On Saturday, September 1, 2018 at 11:03:16 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote: > > His Word is truth. > Okay, well if God should tell me some other truth I'll be sure to run it > by you first so you can correct Him. Run it by scripture. It's why He gave us the Bible, so we would have a permanent, written record so as to refer back to so we can be sure any "guidance from God" is really from God and not from the enemy. God will not contradict His written word. -- Rick C. Hodgin |
| Sam <sam@email-scan.com>: Aug 31 08:28PM -0400 > >This is a MIME GnuPG-signed message. If you see this text, it means that > >your E-mail or Usenet software does not support MIME signed messages. > Indeed it doesn't, I don't need any attachment shite with usenet. Perhaps some day you may wish to reconsider your refusal to upgrade to 21st century technology. > >The Internet standard for MIME PGP messages, RFC 2015, was published in > 1996. That would be more than 20 years ago, according to my math. > have a job to do. When you get one you might realise that free time can be > scarce (he says writing a usenet post, but hey ;). But FWIW I wrote a (subset > of) C interpreter about 10 years ago so I do have some skin in the game. <Slow clap>. And I wrote a full C compiler, mid-to-late '90s, for the-then ANSI C, using flex for lexical analysis, and bison for an LALR(1) parser; producing m68k assembly code. Ok, so now that we've exchanged our mutual credentials, now what? |
| Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se>: Sep 01 07:46AM On Sat, 2018-09-01, Sam wrote: ... >> >The Internet standard for MIME PGP messages, RFC 2015, was published in >> 1996. > That would be more than 20 years ago, according to my math. That doesn't matter. RFC 5536 (Nov 2009) defines MIME as used in Usenet postings; *that's* the text which defines a meaning for your posting. My newsreader doesn't support that RFC, so I see your raw MIME structure. But I'm not boltar, so I don't feel a need to be rude about it. /Jorgen -- // Jorgen Grahn <grahn@ Oo o. . . \X/ snipabacken.se> O o . |
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