Sunday, September 16, 2018

Digest for comp.lang.c++@googlegroups.com - 25 updates in 3 topics

"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Sep 16 03:53PM -0400

On 09/16/2018 03:01 PM, bitrex wrote:
> Jesus Christ also really liked attention, too.
 
Jesus did not like attention in the traditional sense. He
desired that people would know about how God has come to
rescue them from their sin.
 
He came to do His Father's will, to be a servant, to be
our Savior.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Sep 16 03:58PM -0400

On 09/16/2018 03:23 PM, Öö Tiib wrote:
> but suggests to obey human authorities (1 Peter 2:13) (Romans 13:1).
> So if your bigoted actions are in conflict with human laws then
> god won't defend you.
 
My comment was /AGAINST/ the way companies are behaving, be-
cause companies are comprised of human beings who are not first
walking in this world as they should.
 
Human beings are called to serve God individually. When they
do not serve God, they come together and follow after Satan.
God allows this to give us something to rise up against, to
speak out against, to seek to change.
 
And we read in the New Testament that eventually the enemy
will take over all industries, all nations, and will throw
truth to the ground.
 
That does not mean we /EVER/ acquiesce to that wrongness when
it explicitly goes against God and God's guidance. The hier-
archy I wrote stands:
 
1) God's Law
2) Man's law
3) Personal opinions not otherwise stated
 
> did not address it. Instead you just demonstrated that you apparently
> haven't ever been in place where human government is not in control.
> About that I did not write at all.
 
It did. You missed the point I was making.
 
All people are subject to God. Even if they go about in this
world making laws which make abortion legal, or make it not
only legal but required that someone take the mark to buy or
sell anything, that doesn't make it right, nor does it make
it something for us to follow.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Sep 16 04:01PM -0400

On 09/16/2018 03:29 PM, David Brown wrote:
>> me saying that, that's me repeating what the Bible teaches.
 
> You don't accept that anyone can have found "truth" unless they happen
> to have found the same "truth" as you believe.
 
It's what Jesus said, not me:
 
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+14%3A6&version=KJV
 
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the
life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
 
Your problem is with Jesus Christ, David, not me. I just
repeat his words.
 
As for the rest, you /CONSISTENTLY/ bear witness against
yourself, against Christ, and for full-on support of the
enemy of God.
 
I would love to be wrong about that assessment, David, but
it is exactly what you do and have done. You reject Jesus
Christ fully, and you criticize everyone who tries to teach
about Him, even though He is the one thing we need more than
even air or water.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Sep 16 04:05PM -0400

On 09/16/2018 03:43 PM, David Brown wrote:
>> go forth and teach others the things of Jesus Christ.
 
> As I said, you know /nothing/ about me - and I'll thank you to remember
> that and stop passing judgement on me.
 
I do not pass judgment on you. I ascribe your actions
to you, as they compare against the teachings of Jesus
Christ. You reject Jesus, and you embrace the anti-
Christ spirit.
 
That's not judgment. That's your witness. It's also
why I warn you about your sin, so you can repent and
ask Jesus to forgive you, David.
 
> The world is full of /good/ - if there really is a god, you must hate
> him thoroughly given how much you despair of the world he made.
 
Heaven will be full of sinners who repented. Hell will
be full of sinners who never repented.
 
The choice is yours. Examine Jesus, David. Do it again
if you've done it before. Continue until you learn the
truth.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Sep 16 04:07PM -0400

On 09/16/2018 03:49 PM, Ian Collins wrote:
 
> So not only does your deceptive "god" create a universe where all of the
> physical evidence points to it not being a recent creation but people
> who born to be condemned by their nature?  A truly evil god indeed.
 
You have at least two misconceptions here, Ian.
 
1) That God created a universe with physical evidence
leading to something other than creation
2) That people are born gay
 
Sin is the culprit in both cases, Ian. You have much
sin in your life, Ian, which is why you embrace the
false teachings of the anti-Christ spirit.
 
Until you seek the truth, you will never find it.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
bitrex <user@example.net>: Sep 16 04:08PM -0400

On 09/16/2018 03:53 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> rescue them from their sin.
 
> He came to do His Father's will, to be a servant, to be
> our Savior.
 
Well to clarify Jesus the _man_ certainly did. From time to time. Some
days he was humble. Other days he liked adulation and praise and to be
the center of attention.
 
Jesus the man could be a downright jerk sometimes, e.g. flipping over
the money-changer's tables and throwing a fit. Yeah some of them were
cheats no doubt but probably others weren't "bad" at all they were just
trying to earn a living to provide for their family. The temple happened
to be where they set up shop because people tended to gather in large
numbers there, you get more customers there than way out in the desert.
 
As far as I know it doesn't say anywhere that Jesus interrogated each
one as to their honesty, or not, prior to doing it.
 
Jesus the man was mortal with most of the stuff that comes along with
that so it would seem natural that he would think and behave different
ways at different times in the way that mortals do.
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Sep 16 04:14PM -0400

On 09/16/2018 04:08 PM, bitrex wrote:
 
> Well to clarify Jesus the _man_ certainly did. From time to time. Some
> days he was humble. Other days he liked adulation and praise and to be
> the center of attention.
 
Cite Bible verses to backup your claim.
 
> trying to earn a living to provide for their family. The temple happened
> to be where they set up shop because people tended to gather in large
> numbers there, you get more customers there than way out in the desert.
 
You presume to know better than Jesus. That is almost
the worst sin you can employ.
 
> As far as I know it doesn't say anywhere that Jesus interrogated each
> one as to their honesty, or not, prior to doing it.
 
He didn't have to. The Bible says that He knew their
thoughts. In addition, He had no sin at that point,
so He was in constant communion with the Father, whose
Holy Spirit dwelt within the physical man, and as such
He would know spiritually the state of things truthfully
from the Father.
 
> Jesus the man was mortal with most of the stuff that comes along with
> that so it would seem natural that he would think and behave different
> ways at different times in the way that mortals do.
 
You have no idea what you're speaking about, bitrex.
You are heaping punishment and damnation upon your soul
as you speak falsely about Jesus, about God, about the
Holy Spirit, and about His witness here on this Earth.
 
It is a terrible place to be. I am fearful of you in
your brazen attitude against God.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com>: Sep 17 08:23AM +1200

On 17/09/18 08:07, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
 
> Sin is the culprit in both cases, Ian. You have much
> sin in your life, Ian, which is why you embrace the
> false teachings of the anti-Christ spirit.
 
So you really are as much of a bigoted twat as Brian. Your kind are no
better than the extremists who blemish other faiths who you would brand
as terrorists.
 
--
Ian.
bitrex <user@example.net>: Sep 16 04:38PM -0400

On 09/16/2018 04:14 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> one as to their honesty, or not, prior to doing it.
 
> He didn't have to.  The Bible says that He knew their
> thoughts.
 
It says no such thing. When Jesus knew people's thoughts the Bible says
so explicitly. None of the relevant verses in the Synoptic Gospels say
anything about him knowing the money-changer's thoughts. Not Matthew.
Not Mark. Not Luke. Not John. It seems like an important detail to leave
out?
 
Matthew 9:4 "And Jesus knowing their thoughts said, 'Wherefore think ye
evil in your hearts?'"
 
That was a different situation.
bitrex <user@example.net>: Sep 16 04:40PM -0400

On 09/16/2018 04:14 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Holy Spirit, and about His witness here on this Earth.
 
> It is a terrible place to be.  I am fearful of you in
> your brazen attitude against God.
 
I don't believe Jesus the carpenter's son had the ability to read the
minds of everyone he encountered, no.
"Öö Tiib" <ootiib@hot.ee>: Sep 16 01:42PM -0700

On Sunday, 16 September 2018 22:58:48 UTC+3, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
 
> My comment was /AGAINST/ the way companies are behaving, be-
> cause companies are comprised of human beings who are not first
> walking in this world as they should.
 
All I wrote was that they should abide human laws. They should
because otherwise they will be punished by governing institutions
and if they believe in your Arabian fairy tales then they should
by those too I gave cites above. So if you call them to break laws
then you are calling them to not do what your own book tells to.

> only legal but required that someone take the mark to buy or
> sell anything, that doesn't make it right, nor does it make
> it something for us to follow.
 
Again you simply write confused nonsense. What abortion? Gays do not
make each other pregnant. And no law requires you to commit abortion.
What mark? Are you now talking about how everybody carry mark of beast
on forehead or right arm? Where? Are you gone mad or just pretend?
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Sep 16 04:45PM -0400

On 09/16/2018 04:23 PM, Ian Collins wrote:
 
> So you really are as much of a bigoted .. as Brian.  Your kind are no
> better than the extremists who blemish other faiths who you would brand
> as terrorists.
 
You say that because you have much sin in your life, Ian,
and you embrace the false teachings of the anti-Christ
spirit ahead of God's teachings. The anti-Christ spirit
is the enemy of God, and he teaches that God's ways are
wrong, and that his anti-Christ teachings are right. You
embrace his teachings because you are still in rebellion
against God.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Sep 16 04:50PM -0400

On 09/16/2018 04:38 PM, bitrex wrote:
> anything about him knowing the money-changer's thoughts. Not Matthew.
> Not Mark. Not Luke. Not John. It seems like an important detail to leave
> out?
 
You fail to understand the relationship between the flesh
and the spirit. God the Father was with Jesus continually.
Jesus was a man, but He was also God. He lived in the flesh,
but the spirit that indwelt Him was the Holy Spirit. As such,
as God He knew everything. As a man He was here in this world
doing the will of the Father.
 
> Matthew 9:4 "And Jesus knowing their thoughts said, 'Wherefore think ye
> evil in your hearts?'"
 
> That was a different situation.
 
It doesn't say, "Jesus only knew their thoughts in this one
moment, and said..."
 
It also says in John that He knew what was in a man, in the
heart of man, and that He knew all men. It says in the Old
Testament that before He formed someone in his mother's womb
He knew him.
 
God is all-knowing, all-seeing, tries the reins of each one's
heart, knows the intents and purposes. That's God the Father,
and by His Holy Spirit, Jesus was able to know all things at
His request of His Father. The only things kept from Jesus
the man were those things the Father chose to keep from Him
so Jesus could carry out His purposes here. But the full
rein and weight of His Father's power was at His disposal,
even when He was yet upon the cross He could've summoned legions
of angels to come and rescue Him, but it would have done nothing
for us.
 
You mischaracterize God because you do not understand the spirit
nature. You ascribe only physical abilities to Jesus, because
you do not know the three-fold nature of man, save what you may
have read in books about it. You have never experienced the
born again spirit nature, and had His Holy Spirit confirm within
you His presence, to give you knowledge beyond your ability to
know in the moment, and so on.
 
If you want to seek the truth, bitrex, then seek it. Until you
stop judging God based on your personal beliefs about things,
the truth will be forever hidden from you.
 
You must humble yourself to receive the truth.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Sep 16 04:53PM -0400

On 09/16/2018 04:40 PM, bitrex wrote:
> I don't believe Jesus the carpenter's son had the ability to read the
> minds of everyone he encountered, no.
 
The man didn't. The spirit indwelling Him did.
 
Learn about the triune nature of God, and of us. He is God
the Father, Son, Holy Spirit, just as we are soul, body,
and spirit, being made in His own image and likeness.
 
Because of sin our spirit is dead. But Jesus had no sin,
and the Holy Spirit came to indwell Him when He was bap-
tized in the Jordan River by John the Baptist. It descended
upon Him like a dove and Him and remained. All of the many
miracles He did were done by that spirit. All of the super-
natural knowledge He had came from that spirit.
 
It is the nature we are supposed to have on this world, but
sin separates us from God. When we come to Jesus and ask
Him to forgive our sin, our sin goes away, and we are no
longer under judgment by God. As such, our spirit comes
alive in that instant, and we are forever changed. Our new
spirit nature confirms and affirms the things of God in our
lives, and the Bible teachings are God's written word to
allow us to discern the spirit of truth from the spirit of
falseness.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Sep 16 04:57PM -0400

On 09/16/2018 04:42 PM, Öö Tiib wrote:
> and if they believe in your Arabian fairy tales then they should
> by those too I gave cites above. So if you call them to break laws
> then you are calling them to not do what your own book tells to.
 
I have told you the truth, Öö Tiib. God calls /ALL PEOPLE
EVERYWHERE/ to follow Him. Those who are in rebellion go
their own way against God, and God allows it as part of their
rebellion against Him for His purposes. But all who are His
are not to follow after un-Biblical teachings.
 
That does not mean the letter of the Law of Moses, for that
is the Old Testament. We are in a new age of grace, but still
the spirit of the Law remains in God's guidance for us by His
Holy Spirit, under grace.
 
> make each other pregnant. And no law requires you to commit abortion.
> What mark? Are you now talking about how everybody carry mark of beast
> on forehead or right arm? Where? Are you gone mad or just pretend?
 
Again, you missed the point I was making. Why? Because you
have known the truth in your very core (Romans 1), and you
choose to reject it and say it is not the truth.
 
You condemn yourself before God by your willful ignorance.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
bitrex <user@example.net>: Sep 16 05:02PM -0400

On 09/16/2018 04:50 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> born again spirit nature, and had His Holy Spirit confirm within
> you His presence, to give you knowledge beyond your ability to
> know in the moment, and so on.
 
I guess there's little I could do to convince you I have other than to
repeat your own words back to you. But then I would be guilty of
copyright infringement.
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Sep 16 05:11PM -0400

On 09/16/2018 05:02 PM, bitrex wrote:
> I guess there's little I could do to convince you I have other than to
> repeat your own words back to you. But then I would be guilty of
> copyright infringement.
 
I'm willing to receive rebuke or correction where my
teaching is wrong. But if I teach correctly, then you
must re-examine your position.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
bitrex <user@example.net>: Sep 16 05:11PM -0400

On 09/16/2018 04:14 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
 
> Holy Spirit, and about His witness here on this Earth.
 
> It is a terrible place to be.  I am fearful of you in
> your brazen attitude against God.
 
You treat the atheists a lot nicer.
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Sep 16 05:17PM -0400

On 09/16/2018 05:11 PM, bitrex wrote:
>> It is a terrible place to be.  I am fearful of you in
>> your brazen attitude against God.
 
> You treat the atheists a lot nicer
 
Do you really profess to be a Christian? What is
your testimony? How did Jesus change your life?
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
bitrex <user@example.net>: Sep 16 05:33PM -0400

On 09/16/2018 05:17 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
 
>> You treat the atheists a lot nicer
 
> Do you really profess to be a Christian?  What is
> your testimony?  How did Jesus change your life?
 
I believe what is written in the Bible about the life, death, and
resurrection of Christ is true, yes. As for the other questions as to
the hows I kinda feel like you've already turned me away. you won't hear
from me again. Maybe it was your posts! Maybe you would even find that
surprising.
"Öö Tiib" <ootiib@hot.ee>: Sep 16 02:44PM -0700

On Sunday, 16 September 2018 23:57:45 UTC+3, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> have known the truth in your very core (Romans 1), and you
> choose to reject it and say it is not the truth.
 
> You condemn yourself before God by your willful ignorance.
 
Adding to confused nonsense does just make you to look more mad.
Abortion (that I don't support) was not topic. Mark of beast
(that I see nowhere) was not topic. Now (Romans 1)? You are not
Paul and you are not called to be an apostle, Rick. So you do not
have a point about what I wrote.
 
I can repeat once more. The topic was if companies or individuals
have right to discriminate married gays in U.S. They have no such
right. Neither by law nor by your book. Your wiggling away from it
with walls of confused nonsense and curses and condemns is pathetic.
If god dislikes gays then god judges and punishes them. Companies
can't even when you say so because you are not god.
David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>: Sep 16 10:16PM +0200

On 16/09/18 19:45, Real Troll wrote:
> they think fit and some people will try to correct them but it is futile
> IMO.
 
> For example "Router" is pronounced differently in USA and England.
 
Yes. We British pronounce "route" as "route" - the same as the
pronunciation of "root". (Unless, of course, Americans pronounce "root"
incorrectly as well.) When an American tries to talk about "route",
they pronounce it like "rout" - instead of routing their Ethernet
packets around a network, they chase them off the battlefield.
 
I have no idea why, but this particular weird American pronunciation
bugs me more than most others. Perhaps it is because it is a term that
seldom crops up in American films, but often comes up at work - and I
expect work colleagues to know better than actors.
 
To keep the balance, at least the Americans got the spelling of words
like "color" right - we British changed it to "colour" to make it look
more French and glamorous. I'll agree to spell like an American, if the
Americans will agree to talk English like a proper Scotsman!
 
David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>: Sep 16 10:20PM +0200

On 16/09/18 21:08, Stuart Redmann wrote:
 
> For non-native speakers this list is quite informative, but whether it's
> appropriate for a usenet is a totally different question. Given the low
> (on-topic) traffic in this group, I'd say it can stay.
 
People in Germany will pronounce the terms the same way as they
pronounce the normal words in English - for good or for bad. And if
anyone wants to know how they are pronounced in English, or American,
they can watch a youtube video of someone talking about C++. It will be
a great deal more useful to most people than IPA pronunciations.
 
"SFINAE" is pronounced "Can't we /please/ use concepts instead?"
Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com>: Sep 17 08:28AM +1200

On 17/09/18 08:16, David Brown wrote:
> incorrectly as well.) When an American tries to talk about "route",
> they pronounce it like "rout" - instead of routing their Ethernet
> packets around a network, they chase them off the battlefield.
 
I always thought they used them to hollow out bits of wood...
 
--
Ian.
"Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com>: Sep 16 04:25AM +0200

On 16.09.2018 04:22, Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
 
> In C++17 the wording that mandates such overloads, without detailing
> exactly what they should be, is §2.9.1/2:
 
Oops, §29.9.1/2.
 
Cheers!,
 
- Alf
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