Sunday, September 16, 2018

Digest for comp.lang.c++@googlegroups.com - 25 updates in 3 topics

bitrex <user@example.net>: Sep 15 10:51PM -0400


> https://www.recode.net/2018/9/14/17857622/twitter-liberal-employees-conservative-trump-politics
 
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Majority control of all three branches of government plus brag "we have
all the guns" and you _still_ don't feel safe? You want a blankie, too?
 
What a pack of pussies.
bitrex <user@example.net>: Sep 15 10:55PM -0400

On 09/15/2018 03:23 PM, jacobnavia wrote:
>> feel comfortable working for a lot of companies in 2018.
 
> Yeah, most people try to avoid bigots, they are absolutely unbearable,
> and you are no exception.
 
Gun-toting wingnut Evangelical Americans aren't Christians. "Christian
Nation"? what a laugh.
Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid>: Sep 16 04:41AM

>> their policies are no longer supportive of marriage
>> (one man + one woman) so I avoid these companies.
 
> Yes, good decision. Avoid everything then.
 
It's a good thing not to support marriage? Can you elaborate?
bitrex <user@example.net>: Sep 16 01:37AM -0400

On 09/16/2018 12:41 AM, Juha Nieminen wrote:
>>> (one man + one woman) so I avoid these companies.
 
>> Yes, good decision. Avoid everything then.
 
> It's a good thing not to support marriage? Can you elaborate?
 
It means they didn't fire all the gays.
bitrex <user@example.net>: Sep 16 01:39AM -0400

On 09/16/2018 01:37 AM, bitrex wrote:
 
>>> Yes, good decision. Avoid everything then.
 
>> It's a good thing not to support marriage? Can you elaborate?
 
> It means they didn't fire all the gays.
 
That is to say in religious wackadoo language "not being supportive" of
them means the company didn't treat everyone who didn't share their
views like trash.
Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid>: Sep 16 08:03AM


> That is to say in religious wackadoo language "not being supportive" of
> them means the company didn't treat everyone who didn't share their
> views like trash.
 
Until he corroborates that's what he meant, I'm giving him the
benefit of the doubt. You are reading between the lines something
he didn't say. (You could well be completely correct, but I don't
like to jump into conclusions and make assumptions.)
 
He could just as well have meant that the companies refused to make
an open statement opposing gay marriage. (Not that that's a good
reason to boycott them either, but it's really not the same thing.)
jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr>: Sep 16 12:35PM +0200

Le 16/09/2018 à 06:41, Juha Nieminen a écrit :
>>> (one man + one woman) so I avoid these companies.
 
>> Yes, good decision. Avoid everything then.
 
> It's a good thing not to support marriage? Can you elaborate?
 
Companies are there to make money, not to give their employees
directions about how to live their lives!
 
Employees are entitled to their opinions, way of life, sexual
preferences, fashions they follow or not, whatever. Companies aren't
entitled to tell anyone anything about those aspects of their individual
FREEDOM!
 
Bigots would love that we come back to the 19th century and give gays
the death penalty, together with atheists, free thinkers, etc.
Happily, two centuries have passed and they have lost their grip on
society and no matter how strong they cry, they aren't able to control
people anymore as they did in the past.
 
The history of mankind shows us that the churches are losing ground
everywhere, and that science is gaining ground everywhere. This fight
between science and religion started in the renaissance, a few centuries
ago.
 
Galileo was condammed by the church because of his heretic views, but
science won in the end because science is based on facts, and even their
"G-d" can't do anything against facts.
 
Marriage, am I for "marriage"?
 
Of course I am for the union of a man and a woman (I wouldn't be here if
my mother wouldn't have loved my father, as everybody else here).
 
But I am not for chasing gays, trans-sexuals or other 'deviant' humans
because I am of the opinion that those people are HUMANS and merit all
our respect, contrary to the silly teachings of the church.
 
And of course I am against pedophilic priests by the way. I am against
them even if they cry that they are "for marriage".
 
:-)
"Öö Tiib" <ootiib@hot.ee>: Sep 16 03:35AM -0700

On Sunday, 16 September 2018 11:03:52 UTC+3, Juha Nieminen wrote:
 
> He could just as well have meant that the companies refused to make
> an open statement opposing gay marriage. (Not that that's a good
> reason to boycott them either, but it's really not the same thing.)
 
Whatever he meant he does not understand that he is expecting
companies to take positions that those can not take. Companies have
to follow local laws like everybody else. A company can be sued if
they discriminate human rights of their customers or employees.
USA is full of sharks searching for any opportunities to make
money. There a company worth anything that makes bigoted statements
will be trolled into taking discriminating actions against employee
or customer and then sued successfully.
 
I have asked before how his serialization is better (or even different)
than all the numerous freely available and well-documented serialization
and RPC systems. He just can't answer anything. Apparently he believes
that his chauvinism is somehow freeing him from need to offer at least
one outstanding feature in order to enter competition. Actually it is
other way around. Lack of worthy features makes it worthless and so
sharks do not bother to troll him.
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Sep 16 06:46AM -0400

> and G-d has been faithful in terms of helping me build an
> increasingly robust code base:
> https://github.com/Ebenezer-group/onwards
 
Brian, thank you for raising a voice regarding a life lived
in service to and support of the God of the Bible and His
teachings. It is important for people to hear such things,
and to be reminded from where exactly all right things ori-
ginate.
 
> Twitter, IBM, Facebook, etc.:
 
> 1. Congratulations. I think you will be happier in the
> long run.
 
In July 2012 I started the Liberty Software Foundation as
a God-fearing alternative to the Free Software Foundation.
It has been my goal to create a full software stack that
honors God, and to also create even a hardware stack.
 
It has been a very difficult journey since then, but I have
now over 150,000 lines of code developed in various areas,
and several projects which are beginning to converge. I
am looking to have my compiler completed and usable in late
2019 or early/mid 2020. And there are projects underway to
introduce a new operating system, new tools for developers
and users, and several applications. It is my hope that
once I get some of the root tools completed, other God-fear-
ing men and women will come on board and help me as we move
further.
 
It has taken a great deal of effort to pursue. Constant
ridicule. Constant uphill battles. Constant hatred cast
toward me at every point because I name the name of Jesus.
People calling me bigots and telling me I'm full of hate
because I teach them the things God has revealed in the
Bible that He will judge in our lives, etc.
 
But I know how important it is for Gentiles (non-Jews) to
come to Jesus, to ask forgiveness for their sin, and to serve
the Lord with all our lives, for that is His calling for each
of us, and to then go that step further and teach others to
do the same, leading others by example as we follow His lead.
 
-----
It is important for people to be reminded of the things of God,
because God hasn't gone anywhere, even if we've tried to push
Him out of every aspect of our lives. He remains in power, in
authority, in control, the final judge, the true leader, the
true foundation, the true source from which all goodness flows...
even if we've forgotten Him/that in our "modern" society.
 
> project that uses my software. You can also refer yourself
> and get a referral bonus. See http://webEbenezer.net/about.html
> for more details.
 
I've seen you post this type of offer in various forms
multiple times. The support you offer to your product base
is inspiring. I am moved by your sincerity and devotion.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>: Sep 16 12:52PM +0200


> https://www.recode.net/2018/9/14/17857622/twitter-liberal-employees-conservative-trump-politics
 
> As a Bopper (Biblically oriented programmer) I wouldn't
> feel comfortable working for a lot of companies in 2018.
 
Giving yourself a trendy, teenage-sounding acronym does not make you
part of a trendy group. You are a bigot with little regard or respect
for other people and their feelings, who just happens to be a
programmer. The two aspects of your life are not related.
 
And while a fair proportion of religious bigots have generally
conservative views, I think you insult conservatives everywhere by
implying the terms are synonymous.
 
You have the right to think that marriage should be restricted to one
man, one woman, and to think of gender in such overly simplistic ways.
But you don't have the right to impose those views on others, or to put
words in others' mouths by implying this is the view of "conservative
employees" (to the limited extend that such a grouping makes any sense
at all). And you don't have the right to preach "holier than thou"
attitudes to others.
 
And if you don't feel comfortable with people who don't share your 19th
century prejudices (it's not "middle-age" prejudice, as many people
think - in the middle ages, people didn't really care about these
things), then you are free to drop out from society and live in a little
bubble of your own making. Just don't expect others to follow you.
 
> Years ago I worked at IBM and Southwest Airlines, but
> their policies are no longer supportive of marriage
> (one man + one woman) so I avoid these companies.
 
Have you any evidence to suggest that these companies /ever/ had the
kind of bias you think they no longer have? Or are you just upset
because they now actively say that people should be free to love whoever
they want to?
 
 
> . My message to conservative employees who don't feel
> safe is to join smaller, more conservative companies.
> For example, DuckDuckGo -- https://duckduckgo.com
 
And what gives you the idea that DuckDuckGo is run by religious cranks
who want to force homosexuals to live a lie? I would be astounded to
hear that that company supported the kind of bigotry groups you like, or
that they would be the slightest bit bothered if their employees were
gay, or that they would be the slightest bit supportive of prejudice
amongst their employees?
 
> searching and they don't follow you around with ads.
> I've been using them for over ten years and never had a
> problem with them.
 
People can choose their search engines as they want, for whatever
reasons they want. Some people choose google because they /like/ the
integration - it means they get answers (and adverts) more relevant to
them. Others choose DuckDuckGo because they like the privacy. Many
don't choose at all, but just use the default on their devices or
programs. And some choose different engines at different times for
different purposes. They don't need /you/ to moralise and tell them
which search engines they should be using.
 
> project that uses my software. You can also refer yourself
> and get a referral bonus. See http://webEbenezer.net/about.html
> for more details.
 
More commercial spam?
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Sep 16 06:56AM -0400

On 09/16/2018 06:35 AM, jacobnavia wrote:
> Companies are there to make money, not to give their employees
> directions about how to live their lives!
 
We were all created by God. We are called by Him to honor
Him with the fulnenss of our lives, all of our fruit, all of
our labor, all of our efforts. These include the ones which
bring about a corporate atmosphere (we think of "corporate"
today as a money-seeking endeavor, but it's just a group of
people working together for a common cause).
 
God calls us to be in unity one to another, and to look up
to Him and honor Him with our lives. To not follow after
another voice at work in this world, the same one that was
in the Garden of Eden telling Eve and Adam, "You will not
surely die [if you eat this fruit]."
 
That voice is a liar and a deceiver, and his goal is to de-
ceive you long enough to distract you through this whole
life so that you die unforgiven, lost in your sin, forcing
God to judge you because you would not come to Him and ask
forgiveness.
 
God has given us everything we need in this world, and
stands at the ready to open up the floodgates of Heaven and
pour us out a blessing so large we will not be able to con-
tain it. But just as we wouldn't give an irresponsible 18-
year old a billion dollar inheritance, for we know they'd
not only squander the inheritance but likely destroy them-
selves in their life, so too God is waiting for us to mat-
ure and seek after right things rightly, so that we, by our
conscious choices, seek to move Him to the front of our dai-
ly lives, so that we might have a purposeful and rigorous
focus on Him, so that we are mature enough to receive those
many blessings He desires with greatest desire to pour out
unto us.
 
-----
Do not discount God, Jacob. Consider Him. Do not think
you have an understanding of God if you think there is any-
thing wrong within Him, for that is ONLY the enemy's voice
speaking into your thoughts / feelings / emotions. And that
enemy has a purpose for your life contrary to the purpose
God has for your life. That enemy wants your soul destroyed
in Hell. God wants your soul saved, which is why He gave us
His Son Jesus, so that by what Jesus did at the cross, and
the price He paid before the Father, we are set free.
 
Think on these things, and don't just discount them. Ponder
within yourself, "What would a true God do when His children
rebelled against Him? Would He rise up against them and de-
stroy them, or would He make a way out for all to come to Him
and be saved ... if only they would receive that free offer
of forgiveness wrapped in love?"
 
You'll find God is full of mercy, grace, compassion, empathy,
and He desires with greatest longing that every person He's
created world-wide would come to Him and ask forgiveness for
their sin and be saved.
 
You can be saved, Jacob. All you have to do is ask Him to
forgive your sin, and to desire within to repent and turn
away from the enemy's guidance, from wicked ways, from that
which the Bible calls "sin." You can be saved today for all
eternity ... just for the asking. And you can then watch
Him enter your life and teach you things you never knew were
possible, because you wouldn't hear them before.
 
I pray you do. You are a valuable and amazing person full
of life and a potential future. I would like to see you
forgiven. I would like to see your light shine in this world
for God. I would like to see you thriving in all eternity
with God, in the fullness of beauty and creation He made you
to be and inhabit.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Sep 16 07:04AM -0400

On 09/16/2018 06:35 AM, Öö Tiib wrote:
> companies to take positions that those can not take. Companies have
> to follow local laws like everybody else. A company can be sued if
> they discriminate human rights of their customers or employees.
 
He's trying to teach you that God is still in control, and that
even though man's laws say to do X, there are still God's laws
which say to either not to do X, or to do Y as well.
 
> money. There a company worth anything that makes bigoted statements
> will be trolled into taking discriminating actions against employee
> or customer and then sued successfully.
 
In the U.S., people often claim "Separation of church and state."
That's not a Constitutional wording found anywhere, but it is
a reference to something voice in a letter, a philosophy by our
Thomas Jefferson, conveying a sentiment that's different than
most people ascribe to it.
 
Most people think that means we can't have "religion" in our
roles as people being convicted by God into choosing laws which
support Biblical positions within our government. That's not
what the intent was at all.
 
In the U.S., the "separation of church and state" was designed
to keep government out of religion, and not religion out of
government.
 
If it is the will of the people to have laws which support the
Biblical positions, that is appropriate to possess and occupy
as our "local laws." But even beyond that, and even without
our local laws supporting the things of the Bible, God remains
in control.
 
God has never abdicated the Throne. He's never handed off His
authority to our local politicians. He remains in fullest
authority, the ultimate judge, and each of us have a future
meeting with Him to give an account of our lives, and the
standard He uses to compare our actions against will be His
laws, His guidance, His Son, primarily, and then secondarily
it will be how well we dealt with the things of man here.
 
-----
Make no mistake about it. God sends the men and women of
faith in His Kingdom into your lives to give you opportunity
after opportunity to hear His voice, to hear His guidance,
to hear His ways, to be given the real opportunities to come
to Him and serve Him in this world, rather than following
after a deceiving enemy who has your soul's destruction in
Hell on his mind.
 
God wants you saved. He wants you prospering and thriving
and "shining like the stars forever" (the Bible says). The
enemy wants to deprive you of that birthright.
 
Investigate these things. Seek to learn the truth and not
the hearsay or belief about something. Seek out the root
of the matter. Go to the source and read the details God
has given us through His Holy Word for yourself.
 
Taste and see that the Lord is good.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>: Sep 16 01:06PM +0200

On 16/09/18 06:41, Juha Nieminen wrote:
>>> (one man + one woman) so I avoid these companies.
 
>> Yes, good decision. Avoid everything then.
 
> It's a good thing not to support marriage? Can you elaborate?
 
When Brian writes this, what he means is the companies did not support
the bigot groups that want to restrict marriage to one man, one woman
unions because "that's what children deserve". It doesn't matter to him
if the parents love each other, or can run a family well, or are good
parents - all he is concerned about is the gender of the parents matches
a couple of rules of his little old book (ignoring, of course, the
attitude of the book's key character or its overriding message of love,
or the hypocrisy of ignoring all the other rules).
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Sep 16 07:07AM -0400

On 09/16/2018 06:52 AM, David Brown wrote:
>> feel comfortable working for a lot of companies in 2018.
 
> Giving yourself a trendy, teenage-sounding acronym does not make you
> part of a trendy group.
 
His witness and example (consistently remembering and sup-
porting God in his life) is what gives Him a name known in
Heaven. He is not just seeking a name known among men.
 
You also have a name known in Heaven, David ... but for all
the wrong reasons because you deny Jesus and go your own way
in full rebellion against God.
 
It will be to your soul's destruction ... unless you repent
and change your ways.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>: Sep 16 01:11PM +0200

On 16/09/18 10:03, Juha Nieminen wrote:
> benefit of the doubt. You are reading between the lines something
> he didn't say. (You could well be completely correct, but I don't
> like to jump into conclusions and make assumptions.)
 
Brian and his bigotry are not new to this group. We /know/ he is
obsessed with trying to stop people loving who they want, and forming
unions as they want, unless they conform to his religious dogma. You
can read about it on his website too.
 
 
> He could just as well have meant that the companies refused to make
> an open statement opposing gay marriage. (Not that that's a good
> reason to boycott them either, but it's really not the same thing.)
 
It /is/ the same thing in Brian's black-or-white world view. Either you
are absolutely against any concept of homosexuality, with a particular
emphasis on marriage and families, or you are in league with the devil.
The nearest he might come to a middle group is accepting that some
people might be attracted to the same gender, but they must never act on
those urges.
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Sep 16 07:25AM -0400

On 09/16/2018 07:06 AM, David Brown wrote:
> When Brian writes this, what he means is the companies did not support
> the bigot groups that want to restrict marriage to one man, one woman
> unions because "that's what children deserve".
What the enemy means to do is this: convince people that his
guidance is right, and teach people that God's guidance is
wrong. He does this by appealing to our flesh-based lusts,
to deceive us into believing his teachings, and denying God.
 
Once we acquiesce to his prompting, his temptation, his lures,
he gains a legal access into our minds. Once there, he begins
to spread his net even further, trapping every thought, bring-
ing all of the person's thinking into obedience to that enemy
of God.
 
But God has not changed. He has condemned homosexuality and
cited it as a sin in the Old Testament and New Testament, one
which leads to eternal separation from God in Hell.
 
God is trying with the loudest voice to get people's attention,
but people love sin so much they won't hear God. They put both
hands over their ears and cry out "wah wah wah wah wah wah" to
drown out the voice of God as they follow after their lusts.
 
-----
It breaks my heart to see people demeaning God, standing up
for the enemy, and destroying their soul in the process.
 
God made them male and female. He made Adam and said, "It
is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a help-
meet for him," and then He made Eve and brought her to Adam.
 
There's a teaching there ... for all who will hear it. I
pray you are one of them, David. You are a beautiful and
remarkable creation of God and I would like to see you
thriving in God's Kingdom, rather than writhing in agony in
eternal Hellfire because you rejected Him and all He stands
for.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Sep 16 07:49AM -0400

On 09/16/2018 07:25 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> But God has not changed.  He has condemned homosexuality and
> cited it as a sin in the Old Testament and New Testament, one
> which leads to eternal separation from God in Hell.
 
Here are the Biblical references in the New Testament to homo-
sexuality being a sin that separates one from God forever:
 

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jude+1%3A7%2C+1+Corinthians+6%3A9-10%2C1+Timothy+1%3A9-10%2CRomans+1%3A18-32&version=NIV
 
It's not for nothing Christians teach these things. It has
to do with what God established by His design, buy example in
giving Eve to Adam, with Adam realizing what God intended when
he said, "This is now bone of my bone, and flesh of my flesh,
and for this reason will a man leave his mother and father
and cleave to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh."
 
God took a rib out of Adam to make Eve. He is incomplete
without her, and she also without him.
 
To deny God and God's design is to invite destruction upon
one's own eternal soul. And yes, we do have an eternal soul,
and it is that very object the enemy of God is trying to take
away from each of us. That enemy wants us to be destroyed
because we were made in the image and likeness of God. That
enemy hates God, and he hates us because of who we are, and
he wants to hurt God, and he wants to hurt us.
 
We give the enemy power by our choices. But God is greater,
and everyone who turns to God truly is saved from that enemy,
and made part of God's eternal Kingdom through Jesus Christ.
 
Learn of these things and see how they set you free from the
enemy's web of lies, deceits, trickeries, forgeries, usurps,
and hate.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
"Öö Tiib" <ootiib@hot.ee>: Sep 16 04:51AM -0700

On Sunday, 16 September 2018 14:04:21 UTC+3, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
 
> He's trying to teach you that God is still in control, and that
> even though man's laws say to do X, there are still God's laws
> which say to either not to do X, or to do Y as well.
 
God is not legal subject and as such if he exists is free to do whatever
he wants to. However companies and individuals have to abide human laws.
So if for example your "god laws" require you to put homosexuals to
death (Leviticus 20:13) and you do, then you will be punished for murder,
idiot, and god won't interfere.
 
> > money. There a company worth anything that makes bigoted statements
> > will be trolled into taking discriminating actions against employee
> > or customer and then sued successfully.
 
Snipping confused nonsense that has nothing to do with what I wrote.
I did not talk about god or religion. God may take whatever thrones,
to express whatever desires and to take whatever actions.
However religious zealots have no rights of god but have to abide the
local laws. Otherwise evil people will troll the morons into misery
for to get a little material benefit or sometimes "just for lulz".
That is it. Investigate those things.
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Sep 16 08:01AM -0400

On 09/16/2018 07:51 AM, Öö Tiib wrote:
>> even though man's laws say to do X, there are still God's laws
>> which say to either not to do X, or to do Y as well.
 
> God is not legal subject
 
He is the source of all our true and fundamental laws, Öö
Tiib.
 
> and as such if he exists is free to do whatever
> he wants to.
 
He has created us, and given His creation guidance on how
to be. It is found in the philosophy of the Law of Moses,
as well as its details, and is best given by example in His
giving us His own Son, Jesus the Christ, to save us from
our sin, demonstrating God's love for us in that while we
were yet guilty, God made a way for us to be set free.
 
> However companies and individuals have to abide human laws.
 
God teaches us to abide by human law as well, but not when
they contradict God's laws.
 
There is an enemy of God at work in people in this world,
Öö Tiib. That enemy has entered into the minds and bodies
of people in this world by tempting them to sin, and then
gaining a legal license to enter in and conduct business
in our physical bodies by our choices. We say, "Yes, devil,
come on in. I will follow your guidance rather than God's."
 
The enemy does this by deceiving us through the temptation
he sets before us to sin. We want the thing he tempts us
with, so we voluntarily sin.
 
> So if for example your "god laws" require you to put homosexuals to
> death (Leviticus 20:13) and you do, then you will be punished for murder,
> idiot, and god won't interfere.
 
That is the Old Testament. We no longer live in that place.
When God gave the Law to Israel, He was doing so in contrast
to those evil spirit influences. The person espousing homo-
sexuality had been compromised. That evil spirit was in that
person's physical body, and the influence of that evil spirit's
voice would've corrupted God's people.
 
God ordered the death of the homosexual (and the death of many
other people who have embraced sin) to keep that evil spirit
from gaining a foothold in God's people'.
 
However, Israel was rebellious against God and did not listen
to Him, and they let those people live, and they didn't stone
all they were supposed to, and they, by their own lusts in
pursuit of sin, turned away from God and embraced the subtle
and clever enemy's teachings time and time and time again.
 
As a result, Israel went into captivity time and time and time
again, and ultimately did not receive their Earthly Kingdom
when their Messiah came (when Jesus came here as a man).
 
Jesus was prepared to give them the Earthly Kingdom at that
time, but they had been so deceived by the enemy, so riddled
with sin, that they not only denied Him, but had Him crucified
as an innocent man.
 
But God is still faithful to Israel and has promised to redeem
them. He's set aside 144,000 virgins who have not given them-
selves over to shameful lusts, and these will become the ones
filled with God's Holy Spirit after the rapture of the church.
They will be the "new Christians" who then see Jesus as their
Messiah, and go forth and teach the world those things the
Christians are supposed to be teaching today.
 
But back to God's laws and man's laws. Romans 13 teaches us
to submit ourselves to every authority of man, but we are also
taught to not do things that man has us to do, even when it's
legal, when it goes against God.
 
The order of hierarchy:
 
1) God's Laws
2) Man's laws
3) Our own opinion about things not otherwise stated
 
> local laws. Otherwise evil people will troll the morons into misery
> for to get a little material benefit or sometimes "just for lulz".
> That is it. Investigate those things.
 
You are being deceived as I have outlined above, Öö Tiib.
It will cost you your eternal soul.
 
All I can do is warn you and point you the way. You have
to be willing to pursue it. I pray you do. You are a truly
valuable and remarkable creation of God, full of potential,
full of ability, able to shine on forever ... if you'll let
God guide you and not reject Him.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Sep 16 08:10AM -0400

On 09/16/2018 07:51 AM, Öö Tiib wrote:
> Snipping confused nonsense that has nothing to do with what I wrote.
 
I'm going to do something I don't normally do here. You say,
"Snipping confused nonsense..."
 
I want to ask you specifically, which parts do you equate to
being confused? Because I can teach you the truth about why
I wrote what I wrote, cite Bible verses, explain further. I
have not written anything that was confused, but I am willing
to teach you the reasons why I wrote what I wrote, so that the
mis-thinking you have today can be corrected and replaced with
the truth, rather than an assumed confusion / wrongness.
 
> However religious zealots have no rights of god but have to abide the
> local laws. Otherwise evil people will troll the morons into misery
> for to get a little material benefit or sometimes "just for lulz".
 
Your statement here conveys a misunderstanding of what I
wrote. Did you read what I wrote?
 
> That is it. Investigate those things.
 
I have well-considered a great many things of this world through
the many years of pondering what God's presence should be in our
days here.
 
I have created the Liberty Software Foundation as a God-fearing
alternative to the Free Software Foundation, but one with a
very similar end-goal ... the difference being I explicitly hon-
or God with my software and life's work. That difference is not
trivial. It is substantial and formidable.
 
I have also modified the license I use over time because I began
to understand the philosophy of God's guidance in our lives more
and more. I finally feel I'm to the point where I can begin to
teach others, so I step up and do so, being willing to be cor-
rected wherever I am mistaken. But the things I teach in most
areas are not only taught by me, but have come through many
other pastors and teachers I have studied. They are the voice
of God at work in believers here in this world.
 
A common voice of Christians pointing people to Jesus Christ so
their sins can be forgiven, their lives and perspectives on our
life can be changed, and that our eternal future is made secure.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>: Sep 16 02:45PM +0200

On 16/09/18 13:25, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> the bigot groups that want to restrict marriage to one man, one woman
>> unions because "that's what children deserve".
> What the enemy means to do is this:  convince people that his
 
<snip>
 
Rick - You don't teach, and you don't listen, so it is always pointless
having a religious discussion or exchange of views with you. You
regurgitate the same stuff with a total disregard to the views, thoughts
or opinions of anyone else - and rarely a hint of attention to the topic
in question. You then follow it up with your self-flagellation and
martyr syndrome where you feel sorry for yourself and think everyone is
against you. So unless you come up with something new and interesting,
I will not reply to your posts in a thread like this.
 
(As always, I am quite happy to talk on technical on-topic subjects with
you, as with anyone else.)
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Sep 16 08:53AM -0400

On 09/16/2018 08:45 AM, David Brown wrote:
> Rick - You don't teach, and you don't listen
Not only do I teach, David, but I point you to the Bible
to go and learn for yourself.
 
You won't listen. It will be to your soul's destruction.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk>: Sep 16 01:52PM +0100

On 16/09/2018 12:49, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> which leads to eternal separation from God in Hell.
 
> Here are the Biblical references in the New Testament to homo-
> sexuality being a sin that separates one from God forever:
 
Fuck off you egregious bigoted fucktarded cunt. You are just as
distasteful as your so called religion.
 
/Flibble
 
--
"Suppose it's all true, and you walk up to the pearly gates, and are
confronted by God," Bryne asked on his show The Meaning of Life. "What
will Stephen Fry say to him, her, or it?"
"I'd say, bone cancer in children? What's that about?" Fry replied.
"How dare you? How dare you create a world to which there is such misery
that is not our fault. It's not right, it's utterly, utterly evil."
"Why should I respect a capricious, mean-minded, stupid God who creates a
world that is so full of injustice and pain. That's what I would say."
David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>: Sep 16 01:17PM +0200

On 15/09/18 22:55, Stefan Ram wrote:
> tuple tuːp(ə)l, tʌp(ə)l
> value  ˈvælju
> volatile  ˈvɑlətəl (d)
 
How about people simply pronounce the words in the way that fits with
their dialect and accent? Most of these are either normal English
words, individual alphabet letters, or a combination. There is no need
for a guide - and certainly no need to try to tell people to use
/American/ pronunciation! Americans will use American pronunciation no
matter what, non-American English speakers will use their own language
(I hesitate to say /proper/ English, because there could be some
Canadians here...), and non-English natives will use whatever
pronunciation is common in their country.
"Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com>: Sep 16 04:22AM +0200

On 16.09.2018 00:08, Ian Collins wrote:
 
> x.cc: In function 'int main()':
> x.cc:11:27: error: call of overloaded 'pow(double, int)' is ambiguous
>      std::cout << pow(4., 7) << '\n';
 
Thanks.
 
I only tested with the fixed (portable) code, using <math.h> instead of
<cmath>. With that, argument `4.` worked with both g++ and Visual C++.
 
Using <math.h> should ideally not have made any difference: either it
should compile or not, I thought.
 
But as it turns out, when you include <math.h>, or include <cmath> with
a `using std::pow`, with g++ you get an additional overload
 
template< class _Tp, class _Up >
auto pow( _Tp, _Up )
-> constexpr typename __gnu_cxx::__promote_2<_Tp, _Up>::__type;
 
and with Visual C++ there is anyway an overload
 
auto pow( double, int ) -> double;
 
I found these overloads simply by compiling a call `pow( "Blah", 2 )`.
 
In C++17 the wording that mandates such overloads, without detailing
exactly what they should be, is §2.9.1/2:
 
 
<quote>
For each set of overloaded functions within <cmath> , with the exception
of `abs`, there shall be additional overloads sufficient to ensure:
 
1. If any argument of arithmetic type corresponding to a double
parameter has type long double , then all arguments of arithmetic type
(6.9.1) corresponding to double parameters are effectively cast to long
double.
 
2. Otherwise, if any argument of arithmetic type corresponding to a
double parameter has type double or an integer type, then all arguments
of arithmetic type corresponding to double parameters are effectively
cast to double.
 
3. Otherwise, all arguments of arithmetic type corresponding to double
parameters have type float.
 
[Note: `abs` is exempted from these rules in order to stay compatible
with C. —end note ]
</quote>
 
 
So that's the technical: when `<math.h>` is included, or alternatively
when one includes `<cmath>` with a `using std::pow;` or `using namespace
std;`, then the expression `pow( 4., 7 )` is well-defined, unambiguous.
 
However, I hadn't thought this through. I could just as well have turned
out wrong. So, thanks, that was a learning experience. :)
 
 
Cheers!,
 
- Alf
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