Wednesday, May 29, 2019

Digest for comp.lang.c++@googlegroups.com - 25 updates in 2 topics

"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: May 28 06:08PM -0700

On Tuesday, May 28, 2019 at 6:42:10 PM UTC-4, Daniel wrote:
 
> > > Won't even watch it, will you, Leigh?
 
> > Nonsense.
 
> But it's true! because it's on the internet.
 
Watch the video, Daniel. Judge for yourself. It has case after
case after case from the secular world showing real-world proof
that man walked with dinosaurs.
 
There are buildings with dinosaurs hewn in stone on them from
2600 years ago. There are countless stories world-wide with
famous stories of people slaying dragons.
 
Marco Polo reported the Chinese emperor was raising dinosaurs
to pull some of his chariots. As recently as 1611 the post of
Royal Dragon Feeder was a hired position.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack): May 29 01:15AM

In article <08e1df51-3e17-4bfc-967e-4316c7581f68@googlegroups.com>,
 
>Marco Polo reported the Chinese emperor was raising dinosaurs
>to pull some of his chariots. As recently as 1611 the post of
>Royal Dragon Feeder was a hired position.
 
heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh
 
And Donald Trump is a master business man...
 
Your claims above on a par with that one.
 
Total fantasy.
 
--
"He is exactly as they taught in KGB school: an egoist, a liar, but talented - he
knows the mind of the wrestling-loving, under-educated, authoritarian-admiring
white male populous."
- Malcolm Nance, p59. -
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: May 28 06:27PM -0700

On Tuesday, May 28, 2019 at 9:15:13 PM UTC-4, Kenny McCormack wrote:
 
> And Donald Trump is a master business man...
 
> Your claims above on a par with that one.
 
> Total fantasy.
 
It's easy to deny something when you don't see the details.
Satan uses people's desire to do this to make it easier for
them to dismiss the claims of God in the Bible. When you
only glance at them, there's enough doubt injected by the
enemy to make it seem unreasonable minimally, and ridiculous
typically.
 
That changes when you press in and examine the details, but
Satan relies on people's laziness, their pride, their arro-
gance, to keep them from pressing in and seeking the truth.
 
Press in and seek the truth, Kenny. Watch the video and see
100s of examples from around the world, proof of dinosaurs
living with man on this Earth in the past few thousand years.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com>: May 28 06:40PM -0700

On Tuesday, May 28, 2019 at 9:27:40 PM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
 
> dinosaurs living with man on this Earth in the past few thousand years.
 
Interesting. Why do you think scientists say that birds were the only
dinosaur lineage to survive the Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event 66
million years ago?
 
Just out of curiosity, do you also believe in The Protocols of the Meetings of the Learned Elders of Zion?
 
Best regards,
Daniel
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: May 28 07:36PM -0700

On Tuesday, May 28, 2019 at 9:40:21 PM UTC-4, Daniel wrote:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrkYDzILgtA
 
> > dinosaurs living with man on this Earth in the past few thousand years.
 
> Interesting. Why do you think scientists say ...
 
1) Not all scientists say that.
 
2) Why would the enemy of God teach millions of years?
Why would the enemy of God teach evolution without God?
 
Seek of God, Daniel. He has all the answers you seek. He asks
you to seek of Him and learn the truth.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com>: May 28 07:54PM -0700

On Tuesday, May 28, 2019 at 10:36:29 PM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 28, 2019 at 9:40:21 PM UTC-4, Daniel wrote:
 
> > Interesting. Why do you think scientists say ...
 
> 1) Not all scientists say that.
 
Science as a body of knowledge says that. Paleontologists say that. Why
would they say these things if they could easily be disproved?
 
I'm still curious whether you believe in The Protocols of the Meetings of
the Learned Elders of Zion :-) I think you probably do, as it would have
been easy to say no.
 
Best regards,
Daniel
fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com>: May 28 11:10PM -0700

W dniu środa, 29 maja 2019 04:54:45 UTC+2 użytkownik Daniel napisał:
> been easy to say no.
 
> Best regards,
> Daniel
 
youre trolling this group poor fella,
jelping monstrous ass of imbecile hodgin to eclipse programming topics (so anybody will know youre troll at will)
(same this little idiot fibble), stop trolling and move to dedicated spam place
"Öö Tiib" <ootiib@hot.ee>: May 29 03:45AM -0700

On Tuesday, 28 May 2019 21:53:55 UTC+3, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
 
> I answered your question. You cannot accept the answer because
> it interferes with your view of the universe where God is not
> required.
 
Why to lie and to lose face? My mother side grandmother said "who
lies that steals." There can't be any masters of this reality nor of any
of hypothetical super-realities that would make me to disappoint
the memories of that woman. I won't ever join for example Islam
since Muslims are allowed to lie in the name of their/your God.
leigh.v.johnston@googlemail.com: May 29 04:43AM -0700

On Tuesday, May 28, 2019 at 10:15:48 PM UTC+1, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Him (physically, and metaphorically).
 
> --
> Rick C. Hodgin
 
So talking snakes with legs turned into snakes. Are you fucking retarded or what?
 
/Flibble
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: May 29 05:24AM -0700

On Wednesday, May 29, 2019 at 6:45:30 AM UTC-4, Öö Tiib wrote:
> of hypothetical super-realities that would make me to disappoint
> the memories of that woman. I won't ever join for example Islam
> since Muslims are allowed to lie in the name of their/your God.
 
Sometimes the questions asked are not the questions needing to be
answered. You'll find this in life all the time.
 
Re-read what I posted and you'll find the answer to your question.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: May 29 05:29AM -0700

> > the name "Lord." All people will ... even those who pierced
> > Him (physically, and metaphorically).
 
> So talking snakes with legs turned into snakes.
 
The world of God's creation here on Earth was different than our
world today. The animals did not fight or hunt each other. They
had grass to eat for food, and man was given fruit from the various
trees God created.
 
It was only after sin that things changed. Trees and plants began
to produce thorns, and thistles began to grow, etc.
 
Satan completely changed this world when he tempted Adam and Eve to
sin, thereby deceiving Adam into "handing over the keys to this world"
God had given him.
 
When Jesus returns, the Millennial Reign (1,000 years of Christ here
on the Earth bodily) it will be like it was in the garden of Eden.
 
> Are you .. retarded or what?
 
Or what. :-)
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com>: May 29 05:29AM -0700

On Tuesday, May 28, 2019 at 9:27:40 PM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
 
> proof of dinosaurs living with man on this Earth in the past few thousand
> years.
 
Then why do scientists say that there isn't, that birds were the only
dinosaur lineage to survive the Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event 66
million years ago?
 
Thanks,
Daniel
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: May 29 05:33AM -0700

On Wednesday, May 29, 2019 at 8:30:04 AM UTC-4, Daniel wrote:
 
> Then why do scientists say that there isn't, that birds were the only
> dinosaur lineage to survive the Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event 66
> million years ago?
 
Because that belief aligns with evolution, and takes God out of
creation, and therefore out of man's life and responsibility.
 
If God is real, then everything about your life would need to
change. Everything about all of our lives would need to change
compared to the way this world guides us.
 
So, as long as people can hold on to the belief that God is not
real, they have a shot of Novocaine to get them through this life.
However, they don't realize the time to give a full accounting of
even every idle word comes at the end of this world, and all of
mankind will be judged by the things they did here in this world.
Many will be raised from death to face judgment, only to be con-
demned by their own actions and cast into the lake of fire.
 
It's why God commands us to go forth and teach, so that this
won't happen to people. But even with His teaching, people still
choose temporary sin here on Earth over eternal life.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com>: May 29 05:33AM -0700

On Wednesday, May 29, 2019 at 8:29:49 AM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
 
> It was only after sin
 
You mean sex?
 
> When Jesus returns ... it will be like it was in the garden of Eden.
 
No sex?
 
Thanks,
Daniel
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: May 29 05:40AM -0700

On Wednesday, May 29, 2019 at 8:33:40 AM UTC-4, Daniel wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 29, 2019 at 8:29:49 AM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > It was only after sin
 
> You mean sex?
 
You can read for yourself, Daniel:
 
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+3&version=NIV;KJV
 
There are three times in scripture we hear the voice of the devil
actually recorded. Other times we simply see his actions.
 
1) In the garden of Eden when he says to Eve: "God's not being
good enough to you. He's withholding His blessing," when he
tempted Eve to follow his guidance rather than God's so she
would do something God had commanded them not to.
 
2) In the book of Job, when he says to God: "God, you're being
to good to them. They love you because you're blessing them.
Take away their blessing and they'll curse you to your face."
This was referring to Job who was the richest man, and God
agreed to put all Job had into Satan's hands, and Satan de-
stroyed everything, even his family, and saved only his wife
who later advised Job, "Curse God and die!" But Job remained
faithful, and God blessed him with double what he had before
Satan took everything.
 
3) In the wilderness, when Satan is tempting Jesus. Satan said:
"All this has been given to me [referring to the Earth and
its kingdoms], and I can give it to whomever I choose. Bow
down to me and I will be better to you than God."
 
Three times:
 
1) God's not being good enough to you.
2) God, you're being too good to them.
3) I will be better to you than God.
 
He tries to sow division between man and God in 1) and 2). And in
3) he tries to swoop in to be the good guy.
 
You'll find what sin has done to everything, Daniel ... if you seek
to know.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com>: May 29 05:43AM -0700

On Wednesday, May 29, 2019 at 8:33:24 AM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

> Because that belief
 
Science isn't about belief, it's about theories, hypotheses, evidence, and
peer review. Why are there no peer reviewed journals that provide evidence for
these ideas that exist in your head?
 
Thanks,
Daniel
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: May 29 05:47AM -0700

On Wednesday, May 29, 2019 at 8:44:05 AM UTC-4, Daniel wrote:
 
> Science isn't about belief, it's about theories, hypotheses, evidence, and
> peer review. Why are there no peer reviewed journals that provide evidence for
> these ideas that exist in your head?
 
It's a belief, Daniel. They weren't there. They don't know.
They're guessing. And their guesses all take God out of the
equation.
 
It's actually a religion (the secularist / naturalist religion).
 
The facts align with the Biblical narrative in all ways. I can
take you through them if you'd like to know, but it's there for
all to see.
 
Everything will be fully revealed soon enough so faith is no
longer required, but then it will be too late to be saved.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com>: May 29 06:07AM -0700

On Wednesday, May 29, 2019 at 8:40:14 AM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

> when he tempted Eve to follow his guidance rather than God's so she
> would do something God had commanded them not to.
 
Ah yes, to have sex
 
> Job's wife ... advised Job, "Curse God and die!"
 
You can see her point of view, though, as God and the angel just had a
bit of sport that killed off her children. Mothers don't like that.
 
Still wondering if you also believe in The Protocols of the Elders of Zion,
but not wondering too much, I'm fairly sure that you do.
 
Be well,
Daniel
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: May 29 06:14AM -0700

On Wednesday, May 29, 2019 at 9:07:54 AM UTC-4, Daniel wrote:
> > when he tempted Eve to follow his guidance rather than God's so she
> > would do something God had commanded them not to.
 
> Ah yes, to have sex
 
It was the choice. It was the choice they had to disobey God.
 
God made the entire Earth for them and had given it to them. He
then introduced one tree, called "the tree of the knowledge of good
and evil," which they could not eat from. The rest of the entire
Earth was theirs, but not this one tree.
 
It was the choice, Daniel. To obey God, or not. And it was their
choice to disobey God that introduced sin, and with sin death.
 
> > Job's wife ... advised Job, "Curse God and die!"
> You can see her point of view, though...
> Still wondering if you also believe in...
 
fir was right. You're just trolling, Daniel. You are not seeking
the truth, but prefer to mock.
 
I will keep you in my prayers.
 
--
Rick C. Hodgin
"Öö Tiib" <ootiib@hot.ee>: May 29 07:52AM -0700

On Tuesday, 28 May 2019 21:51:22 UTC+3, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
 
> How many seeds to trees produce each year? How many of them become
> trees the next year? How many trees do plants produce each year?
> How many of those become plants?
 
The explanations of science are making that obvious how it is not
waste but necessity. Your "angels drive it" explanation however
contradicts with those facts since there is obvious waste on that
case.

> Even females have how many eggs within their ovaries, yet how many
> of those are emitted throughout their life? And why are those few
> emitted?
 
The explanations of science are making that obvious how it is not
waste but necessity. Your "angels drive it" explanation however
contradicts with those facts since there is obvious waste on that
case.

> nature of the physical aspect of our lives to be a particular way,
> and without natural processes. Perhaps also the angel determines
> which egg will be produced by a directive from God.
 
Your "angels drive it" explanation suddenly makes the question
not silly.
 
> God is involved in every aspect of our lives. It is only sin
> which prevents us from seeing Him moving as He is moving.
 
:D *Bullshit* and lack of answer. "God somehow needed that
waste for something." :D
 
> proteins depending on how they are transcribed and by what, and
> change any gene in those sequences and one of those machines will
> fail, and the entire organism will breakdown.
 
That is so indeed. Those are complex, maximally autonomously
reproducible and survivable systems that have no apparent need
for to constantly intervene or to drive those processes.

> USB disk that was found somewhere ... it's obvious by its design
> that the raw materials of atomic arrangements into forms and shapes
> were designed, not produced naturally.
 
It isn't. Shape of lake's bottom is information, shape of water in lake
is information. You are attributing that information to God and also
you are attributing to God that these shapes happen to fit so ultimately
perfectly with each other?
 
 
> > Nonsense. 5000 years is about 200 generations.
 
> The Earth was different prior to the flood. People then lived to
> be in their 900s regularly.
 
Orthogonal, even if it is true they still did not born adult and so
every next generation took time to mature before they could give
birth to third generation and so on. About 200 generations is
therefore still the number ... as is the 0.00067% of genome.
We actually see lot bigger variety in current human population
genomes so two person's bottle-neck 5000 years ago is out of
question ... or do you claim that some of the titan/angel genes
have also somehow survived? Then the Flood did fail.
 
 
> Generally speaking, those who are non-viable will not produce off-
> spring at rates of those who are viable. Over time, the lesser
> strong gene lines will die off.
 
Exactly. That is the definition of evolution. Evolution is change of
frequencies of certain traits (effects or defects in given environment)
over time. The trait can be possibly reduced to total zero or raised to
universal to everybody over time. Or its carriers can find a way to
cooperate with carriers of some other trait in mutually beneficial
manner and so raise strength of both species and their traits.
That cooperation is major, so presence of other organisms (with
certain traits) is vitally important for vast majority of species.
 
Snipping what I know nothing of. I know nothing of super realities nor
of eternities. Also I won't buy your "facts" about it since you weren't
there.
 
> > We can now compensate the genetic defects with medical aid.
> > Also we do have capability to read DNA from quite old bones. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_DNA Nothing indicates that
> > there was "perfect" set of it ever.
 
Dogmas snipped, these are (some kind of) your interpretation of Bible
about things that you know nothing of and have no other sources for
but that book.
 
> People like Leigh ignore the teachings and don't read them and post
> replies like "tl;dr" and that is their decision cast into the books
> being recorded in Heaven.
 
I don't ignore ... I just don't believe it and am honest about it and
also the reasons why.
 
> they were. They self-condemn because they did not seek out the truth,
> but were content to believe Satan's lie as though it were truth, and
> that will be their judgment on Judgment Day.
 
I see it differently.
Some people just are more selfish and often choose to do unjust things
(using whatever excuse). Other people are more good and (using again
whatever excuses to justify) commit good, selfless acts. I trust good
people prevail unlike you who seem to think you are surrounded by
servants of Satan. But whatever fanaticism (religious, national, racial,
political etc.) can make these good people to do evil acts (very selflessly
and stupidly). That has nothing to with what was the teaching used as
the source of that fanaticism.
 
Again snipping your religious propaganda. It does not matter since
I consider you to be one of those selfish, bad people who is additionally
religiously fanatical. I have already expressed that if any of supernatural
beings needs me for anything I'm here but I don't need any middle-men.
 
> each sperm, how do the right combinations come together? We know in
> scripture there are cases where people were born with specific attri-
> butes. Was that coincidence? Or did God cause it to happen?
 
Yes, but angel can choose the combination of chromosomes, why
to manufacture that huge pile of randomly recombined ones and then
pick one from lot of millions? The recombination process seems
to have major problems in it so lot of sperms are defective in sense
that these can miss portions of information and even whole
chromosomes making them unlikely or even impossible candidates
for fertilizing the egg. With large enough numbers of good sperm
it does not matter, but with angel driving it all it does not make sense.
 
> being, meaning He either directly or indirectly by sending His angels,
> determines which egg and which sperm comes together, then He's discern-
> ing between the multitude to pull out the one He desires.
 
Again that "God somehow needs it, but regardless God does it"
non-answer.
 
> It's not being "dense," Öö Tiib. It's giving room for God to be a
> part of what modern science would describe as an entirely random and
> without God being involved phenomena.
 
But no one should accuse God of everything about what they don't
know if God does it or does not do it? So science assumes that the
world works without God constantly tinkering like some sort of
engine-man there. The opposite would mean that world is so
imperfect that needs constant manual driving and divine
interventions? Are you claiming that? I can't find any passages
about it in your scripture. On the contrary, when God (or His
angels) did intervene then they did it in manner that spectacularly
ignored most laws of physics (that we know of) in your Bible.
 
> From my perspective I might ask, "How can one be so unseeing as to
> actually believe that God is not actively involved in all aspects of
> our lives?"
 
I have several times answered it. I see none good fruit of yours.
Your God the Son suggested to watch for those. By several
Gospels. So either your God does not exist or He does not like
what you do and so does not bless you. Simple?
 
> from God's Holy Spirit guidance if you're a born again Christian, or
> from Satan's lies and false teachings over centuries if you're still
> just of the flesh and have no spiritual life.
 
I explained that I follow the guidance. It suggests to ignore you.
So how you explain it?
 
> > > flawed people in sin, teaching you something.
 
> > I take position that is reasonable. Your alternative (that angels breed)
> > is clearly nonsense.
 
Snip the Old Testament angel/human hybrids and so on. I know it
and it wasn't what I meant.
 
> would include our attributes like strength, speed, stamina, mental
> capacity, etc., as well as our placement here on this Earth, which
> city, which parents, what time, etc.
 
I also meant that. That angels drive the breeding of humans. Sorry for
my bad English.
 
In reality the amount of traits given forward seems to be statistically
correct (so each of us gets about quarter of random chromosomes
of each grandparent) and defects are carried on as statistically
correctly as are the neutral traits and also the remarkably nice traits.
That was first discovered by Christian monk, Gregor Johann Mendel,
who was a scientist, Augustinian friar and abbot of St. Thomas'
Abbey in Brno, Margraviate of Moravia. It was discovered in middle
of 19th century. Modern days however it is become precise science
not pea counting.
 
So ... some are lucky and get more good traits but still manage to
live horrible life. Others are unlucky with only few good qualities
but somehow manage to polish those few to shine and to become
world-widely honored masters of their field of work.
 
> have not valued human life from conception will likely be judged by
> God for that position after He, in Heaven, demonstrates how He was
> not only involved, but intimately involved.
 
I do not know anything of it. It is highly possible that you attribute
to God things that He does not do. That can be extrapolated into
accusation of causing miseries that He does not cause. You do that
despite you do not know what (if anything) God does. I would be
angry if you did that to me.
 
> universe cools and solid bodies are formed. The goo coalesces and
> out comes DNA systems which produce oranges, palm trees, coconuts,
> parrots, polar bears, fish, gazelles, kangaroos and man. Really?
 
I do not know about Big Bang. But I'm well convinced that simple
mechanical processes can raise amazingly capable algorithms
(genetic programming) and systems (deep learning). These
can be of whatever kind. Just give enough time, resources and
big enough variety of sample situations to solve for the systems
to evolve and/or to train. Read up on it if interested.
 
> Day.
 
> Seek the truth, Öö Tiib. The truth will never fail you, for God is
> truth.
 
I don't fear your judgement days. I know that Heracles likely did
not exist but I liked him. I know that Santa Claus (who likely does
not exist) is old Norse Odin (who likely also does not exist) in
disguise and I like him. I also don't know if Jesus Christ does exist
(likely not) but I like him as well. And sometimes I feel that you are
worse enemy to him than me. :D
Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com>: May 29 08:15AM -0700

On Wednesday, May 29, 2019 at 10:52:41 AM UTC-4, Öö Tiib wrote:
 
> And sometimes I feel that you are worse enemy to him than me. :D
 
Just so. Which suggests ...
 
Daniel
Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com>: May 29 08:25AM -0700

On Wednesday, May 29, 2019 at 9:15:05 AM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
 
> > > Job's wife ... advised Job, "Curse God and die!"
> > You can see her point of view, though...
 
> You are not seeking the truth ...
 
You can't see her point of view? She loses her children because of a wager
between god and the angel? Won't that be upsetting to any mother?
 
Daniel
"Öö Tiib" <ootiib@hot.ee>: May 29 08:27AM -0700

On Tuesday, 28 May 2019 21:32:36 UTC+3, fir wrote:
 
> besides, obvious to add, i dont know how well your intelligence is, but dont you know what will happen with those exchanges with this moron?
 
> he will write a word bibble or God on his more than 2 meter diameter ass and will move that ass close to your face 9also closing it to all the others) - he always do exactly that
 
> maybe spare that to this group fella..
 
I repeat:
It must be trivial to ignore those [Jesus Loves You] threads even when you
have no filters in your newsreader.
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: May 29 08:55AM -0700

On Wednesday, May 29, 2019 at 10:52:41 AM UTC-4, Öö Tiib wrote:
> waste but necessity. Your "angels drive it" explanation however
> contradicts with those facts since there is obvious waste on that
> case.
 
How do you know angels don't determine which seeds wind up being
germinated? Or even God Himself by the power of His own Holy
Spirit.
 
I do not remove the possibility because I know the power of God.
 
> waste but necessity. Your "angels drive it" explanation however
> contradicts with those facts since there is obvious waste on that
> case.
 
Same reply.
 
> > which egg will be produced by a directive from God.
 
> Your "angels drive it" explanation suddenly makes the question
> not silly.
 
Same reply.
 
> > which prevents us from seeing Him moving as He is moving.
 
> :D *..* and lack of answer. "God somehow needed that
> waste for something." :D
 
You will find out one day exactly how much God was involved in
your life. The Bible said, "He causes the rain to fall on the
just and unjust."
 
People everywhere are kept from Satan's attacks. God restrains
Satan from destroying everybody. During the upcoming tribulation
that restraint will be withdrawn and the Bible says that if the
mere seven-year period of time were not shortened, nobody would
have survived, but for the sake of the elect (believers in that
time), the time would be shortened.
 
Angels are messengers sent to assist those who will inherit sal-
vation (sent by God). This assistance takes on many forms.
 
 
> That is so indeed. Those are complex, maximally autonomously
> reproducible and survivable systems that have no apparent need
> for to constantly intervene or to drive those processes.
 
Agreed. But, they were explicitly designed to be that way.
 
> > were designed, not produced naturally.
 
> It isn't. Shape of lake's bottom is information, shape of water in lake
> is information.
 
That information is information about a natural formation. It's
essentially data based on what exists. This is different from the
information present in DNA, as it is part of an engineered system.
There is an encoder on one side (within the DNA's design), and a
decoder on the other (that translates the DNA into RNA, where it
is optionally edited, where it is optionally sent through a protein-
based machine which translates that 3-slot sequence into a protein
chain that's then mechanically folded into the proper shape to be
used for internal cell component construction.
 
It's far more than just raw data that becomes information in a giv-
en context. It is an entire system setup that takes the raw data
in the DNA, and wields it properly to produce life.
 
> You are attributing that information to God and also
> you are attributing to God that these shapes happen to fit so ultimately
> perfectly with each other?
 
The design is self-evident. Even atheists like Richard Dawkins
are now acknowledging that it looks like it's been designed, even
if they are still unwilling to attribute God to it. Dawkins said
in an interview that it's possible it's been designed, but that
at some point prior Darwinian-like evolution would've caused the
first sentient species to rise up, which then seeded the rest of
the universe with an engineered design ... still denying God.
 
> genomes so two person's bottle-neck 5000 years ago is out of
> question ... or do you claim that some of the titan/angel genes
> have also somehow survived? Then the Flood did fail.
 
As I've studied the matter (minimally), they have done extensive
research on the number of mutations, and the data they have points
back to a mitochondrial Eve and/or a very small population beginning
somewhere in Africa. I do not know the exact dates or years from
their finding, but it's summarized here:
 
https://answersingenesis.org/genetics/mitochondrial-dna/
 
The Bible timeline places creation (Adam and Eve living) approxi-
mately 6,000 years ago. Jesus arrived approximately 2,000 years
ago. The time of the Gentiles is nearly completed, and the next
stage of man's existence on this planet is nearly here. Will it
be today? Next week? Next year? Or after? Nobody knows for
sure, but there are Biblical clues from past events where God did
reveal general timelines to indicate it could happen at any time
now.
 
Israel is now more than 70 years old, with the Bible giving that
time frame for significant events taking place, such as Jeremiah
29:10, where God promises after 70 years are complete to return
and restore His people.
 
It's been seven sevens (49 years) since the call to rebuild
Jerusalem was given in the years after the Six Days War.
 
The prophecies of Daniel about the end-most times where knowledge
would be increased and people would go to and fro have been ful-
filled.
 
There has been a great falling away from the church, which was
prophesied to happen before the end-times.
 
And the gospel has been preached to all nations, which Jesus Him-
self said would be a requirement before the end would come.
 
We are there. When it will happen nobody knows, because scripture
says we do not know the day or the hour, but only the season. We
are given guidance, however, that when we see the fig tree put
forth her leaves we know that summer is near (June 21), as a spec-
ific time given by Jesus.
 
We don't know when it will be, but all signs are here, so it will\
be soon.
 
> > spring at rates of those who are viable. Over time, the lesser
> > strong gene lines will die off.
 
> Exactly. That is the definition of evolution.
 
No. This is not evolution. This is adaptation. It is using the
existing genome and selecting desirable traits from each generation
to feed into the next.
 
Evolution teaches that a non-dog became a dog at some point. That
has never been seen to happen. Cannot happen. And is the position
that denies God.
 
God did design DNA so that traits could be exported. That's what
He did from the beginning with Adam. Adam and Eve had every type
of person that could exist encoded in their DNA. Their children
would've been a gambit of styles and forms, looking like every type
of person we see on the planet today, and possibly more that were
lost when their DNA information was not contained in Noah and his
family through the flood.
 
It's how God was able to bring two of each KIND of animal, and
later generate all of the species. Within those original kinds of
animals were all the types that would be produced.
 
This variation is part of God's design, so that a single KIND of
cat would produce every cat that exists. The same for all animals.
The same for all people types.
 
 
> Snipping what I know nothing of. I know nothing of super realities nor
> of eternities. Also I won't buy your "facts" about it since you weren't
> there.
 
Nobody doubts that adaptation occurs, but that is not the core pos-
ition of evolution. Evolution states that nothing exploded and
created everything, and that everything cooled and became our solar
system, and the Earth cooled and it rained on the rocks for billions
of years and created a primordial soup with the basic building blocks
of life which then came alive and today we have all the forms of life
on this planet.
 
That is the evolutionary view that is not possible. Adaptation to
environmental factors are possible, as we see everyday.
 
Two completely separate things.
 
 
> Dogmas snipped, these are (some kind of) your interpretation of Bible
> about things that you know nothing of and have no other sources for
> but that book.
 
Christians are called to teach the things of God. If you will not
read them or hear them ... that's upon you. I posted them explicitly
to teach you the truth about God and God's design of all things.
 
You would do well to re-read what I post, and place emphasis on it.
 
> > being recorded in Heaven.
 
> I don't ignore ... I just don't believe it and am honest about it and
> also the reasons why.
 
If you seek to learn the truth, you can ask questions about it. All
of your questions can and will be answered.
 
 
> I see it differently.
> Some people just are more selfish and often choose to do unjust things
> (using whatever excuse).
 
It is always sin. God commands us (Christians) to mortify the deeds
of the flesh. We are called to pursue Him in spirit and in truth,
which are not of the flesh, but are of the spirit.
 
When you see people doing things they should not do, it is exactly
because of sin at work in that person's flesh, and the evil spirit
influence which comes through that sinful flesh tempting them to do
things other than what God would guide them to by His Holy Spirit,
and the teachings of the Bible which align with His Holy Spirit.
 
> political etc.) can make these good people to do evil acts (very selflessly
> and stupidly). That has nothing to with what was the teaching used as
> the source of that fanaticism.
 
People span the gambit of willingness to do sinful things. Some
people would NEVER steal, but have no problem drinking alcohol to
excess. Others would NEVER gamble, but don't mind stealing some-
thing if they can justify it.
 
All of it is sin. What God calls us to is holiness, to trust in
Him for all of our needs and desires, and to look forward to the
life after this one more than the one here.
 
Satan is a master deceiver though, and he will overcome those who
follow the flesh. It's one way you can know who is saved and who
is not (Matthew 7:16-20) ... WE would know them by their fruit (by
what they do).
 
> I consider you to be one of those selfish, bad people who is additionally
> religiously fanatical. I have already expressed that if any of supernatural
> beings needs me for anything I'm here but I don't need any middle-men.
 
It's not religious propaganda. It is teaching you the truth about
the Biblical teaching.
 
If you do not want to learn the truth, that is your choice.
 
 
> Yes, but angel can choose the combination of chromosomes, why
> to manufacture that huge pile of randomly recombined ones and then
> pick one from lot of millions?
 
I have said from the beginning I do not know if this is what happens
or not. However, I do not discount the possibility because I know
the power of God. He can consider such things and factor it all in
to His plans in moving mankind forward. Does it happen like that?
I don't know, but I'm not prepared to say coldly, flatly, that it
does not, and that instead it is all just random.
 
> > ing between the multitude to pull out the one He desires.
 
> Again that "God somehow needs it, but regardless God does it"
> non-answer.
 
God created the entire universe, the entire Earth, all that is here,
not for its own sake, but to have a place to be with us (man). We
are made in His own image and likeness. We are called the bride in
the Bible (the church is the bride collectively), and He is called
the Bridegroom. It is conveyed we will be "married" to Him in etern-
ity. And just as marriages here join two people together, in Heaven
all that He has will become ours, and all we have will become His.
 
It is the "Marriage of the Lamb" for those who are saved.
 
> > without God being involved phenomena.
 
> But no one should accuse God of everything about what they don't
> know if God does it or does not do it?
 
Nor should they factor God out completely if they don't know if God
does it or doesn't do it.
 
God is intimately involved with mankind's entire history. Every
life. Every person. He's called the friend that is closer than
a brother. He knows your thoughts afar off. He is aware of the
things you need before you are, and He accommodates those needs.
 
God is comprehensively comprehensive beyond our ability to comp-
rehend! He is not like us. He is greater.
 
> So science assumes that the
> world works without God constantly tinkering like some sort of
> engine-man there.
 
This is where science fails. It denies possibility in favor of the
"political view" that they want to have about the universe.
 
It is wholly wrong to do this.
 
> The opposite would mean that world is so
> imperfect that needs constant manual driving and divine
> interventions?
 
Sin introduced the imperfections. And God is at work within this
fallen state to save those who will be saved, and is working all
things (literally ALL things) for the good of those who will be
saved.
 
> about it in your scripture. On the contrary, when God (or His
> angels) did intervene then they did it in manner that spectacularly
> ignored most laws of physics (that we know of) in your Bible.
 
There are miracles that take place, but they are not ignoring the
laws of physics. They are using the abilities God created which
we do not yet understand, but are part of His whole design. We
may never understand parts of those things here in this world, but
He has promised we will in eternity.
 
> > actually believe that God is not actively involved in all aspects of
> > our lives?"
 
> I have several times answered it. I see none good fruit of yours.
 
You are not capable of seeing "good fruit" of mine because you are
only flesh, and you are not seeking the truth. The Bible states that
the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, and it is true.
People cannot place value on Jesus dying 2,000 years ago to save us
here today. It's not possible to the flesh.
 
But for those being saved, we have the spiritual guidance, and it
teaches us what the flesh cannot know. And it is there that the
truth is found, not in our flesh, which is why you cannot see value
or goodness or truth or anything worthwhile in my arguments, and
look at me only as a religious spammer.
 
> Your God the Son suggested to watch for those. By several
> Gospels. So either your God does not exist or He does not like
> what you do and so does not bless you. Simple?
 
He did, but the ones He told us to watch out for are those who do
not teach properly about Him. They are the ones who are carnal,
who teach worldly ways as if they were spiritual ways.
 
Remember Jesus rebuking Peter, "Get thee behind me, Satan, for
you are a stumbling block to me"? Even the saints can be deceived
by Satan at times, and it takes a constant focus on God, and in
constant prayer, and constantly seeking the Holy Spirit just to
maintain in this world, let alone "get ahead," because the more
you walk with God the more God lets the enemy attack you, just as
with our own kids, the more they're able to do the more autonomy
and self-authority we give them. Some grow up to become brilliantly
contributing members of society, others wind up in prison for the
many crimes they've committed. Each person reveals themselves as
they grow and mature. The same is true in our Christian walks in
pursuit of spirit and truth, not just in our worldly walks of the
flesh.
 
> > just of the flesh and have no spiritual life.
 
> I explained that I follow the guidance. It suggests to ignore you.
> So how you explain it?
 
"Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."
 
You must seek the truth honestly, sincerely, truly, and then immerse
yourself in God's teachings with that seeking attitude for God to be
able to show it to you.
 
"Seek and you will find. Knock and the door will be opened. Ask and
you shall receive."
 
The issue is not with God. :-) He's done His part wholly.
 
> > > is clearly nonsense.
 
> Snip the Old Testament angel/human hybrids and so on. I know it
> and it wasn't what I meant.
 
My point was the DNA of those angels corrupted our DNA, which is why
God chose whom He did to re-populate the Earth after the flood. How-
ever, even though God destroyed the Nephalim, some of their DNA did
propagate beyond the flood, most likely
"Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com>: May 29 03:47AM +0200

This is actually just a test of whether I've misconfigured Thunderbird
to killfile /all/ new articles in clc++, but, for the sake of asking a
question:
 
Let's say someone has the following valid C++17 code:
 
 
-----------------------------------------------------------------
using Byte = unsigned char;
 
constexpr auto is_utf8_tail_byte( const char ch )
-> bool
{ return (Byte( ch ) >> 6) == 0b10; }
 
constexpr auto n_code_points( char const* s )
-> int
{
int n = 0;
while( *s ) {
++s;
while( is_utf8_tail_byte( *s ) ) { ++s; }
++n;
}
return n;
}
 
auto main() -> int
{
constexpr int n = n_code_points( u8"æøå" ); // Should be 3.
return n;
}
-----------------------------------------------------------------
 
 
Now that someone upgrades the compiler to C++20, and suddenly the type
of the literal is a very incompatible `char8_t[7]`.
 
Assume the `constexpr` `n` is used for something very compile-time-ish,
e.g. a buffer size.
 
What to do?
 
 
Cheers!,
 
- Alf
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