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| Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com>: Jan 08 08:37AM -0800 On Tuesday, January 8, 2019 at 7:57:44 AM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: > blessed are they that have not seen, and yet > have believed." Hi Rick, That's a polemical device :-) It's a device that turns a flaw - nobody has seen this - into a virtue. Well constructed polemical devices can have a powerful appeal to people who respond to emotional appeals and are not, shall we say, deep thinkers. Don't you find it similar in some ways to Sarah Posey's sixties hit "Born a Woman"? "And if you're born a woman You're born to be hurt You're born to be stepped on, lied to, cheated on And treated like dirt Well I was born a woman I didn't have no say And when my man finally comes home He makes me glad it happened that way Because to be his woman No price is too great to pay" Both have flawed premises, but of course the biblical one has had a much longer run. Posey's, while striking a chord in the day, would be anathema in the modern "me too" world. Daniel |
| David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>: Jan 08 06:06PM +0100 On 07/01/19 14:54, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > It's not my job to convince you of the truth of scripture. Absolutely right. And that's a good thing, because you are terrible at it. > It is my job > to teach it to you accurately. It is not your job, you don't "teach", and you are very far from "accurate" in any sense of the word - even if we were to assume that the Bible is somehow "literally true" or that the basic Christian message is correct. A lot of Christians feel it is their duty to evangelise, and spread the "good news". I have never known anyone so utterly appallingly bad at it as you - nor anyone who is so convinced that they are doing the right thing by trying. If there really is a "devil" trying to keep us away from god, you are his best helper. > I did. To the best of my ability. I was patient. I tried with various > methods using video, audio, sermons, quotes, Bible passages, examples, > etc. Yes, Lord, I did convey to this individual the truth many times." So annoying everyone here is all about covering your ass? You know you are failing miserably and doing what you believe you should be doing, and think that by replacing quality by quantity your god will be lenient on you on judgement day? If your god really is half the deity you say he is, he knows fine how hard you worked to chase people away from him. Maybe you will be lucky and he'll accept you are merely totally incompetent, rather than actively against him. But are you willing to bet your soul on that? Or wouldn't you rather change tactics and keep quiet about your religion, and so stop making things worse for yourself and everyone else? |
| "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Jan 08 09:10AM -0800 On Tuesday, January 8, 2019 at 11:37:38 AM UTC-5, Daniel wrote: > Hi Rick, > That's a polemical device :-) It's a device that turns a flaw - nobody > has seen this - into a virtue. Only in worldly terms. The evidence comes spiritually, which all who are being saved will then see / know. The rest of the world that is not being saved will never see it. It's a literal division, Daniel: Saved and the unsaved. All people world-wide are players. No one is a bystander. And it is a 100% division, binary, black-and-white, between the saved and the unsaved. If you can hear His voice in your heart, rejoice and jump up and down for joy because He is reaching out to save you in eternity, to save you from judgment, and damnation in a fiery Hell forever. Literally. -- Rick C. Hodgin |
| "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Jan 08 09:15AM -0800 On Tuesday, January 8, 2019 at 11:37:38 AM UTC-5, Daniel wrote: > > have believed." > Hi Rick, > That's a... Daniel, your fundamental flaw in receiving salvation is that you hold your own personal views, or those of man's reasoning, AHEAD of those of God. Because of this, you deny God, are in rebellion against Him, and will never see Him as anything other than some kind of joke. If you want to pursue the truth, begin with the possibility of Him really being real, really being God Almighty, really being the author of the universe, and that His words really are the absolute root and foundation of everything that exists, and not some thing to then add in around what we (as mankind by our own reasoning) already know. God is the authority. His ways are the definitive base. We start with what He says, and then observe all things relative to His initial foundation and establishment of all things, not the other way around. -- Rick C. Hodgin |
| "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Jan 08 09:31AM -0800 On Tuesday, January 8, 2019 at 12:06:33 PM UTC-5, David Brown wrote: > [snip] I've told you in email more than once. Perhaps you missed them, but I do see your replies to my messages periodically on Google Groups, indicating you do see what I write here. So, here is a public statement regarding what I told you in private email: David Brown: I am not reading any of your posts. I will not be reading anything you write on any subject. When you write something to anyone else, or in any reply to me, you will be writing it just to hear yourself. In addition, you are responsible for all of the damage you do to people by the false / contrary-to-God things you write (Luke 17:1-2) because I've told you clearly, multiple times, I will not be reading (nor correcting) any of your errors on the things you write. Your blood is on your own hands. I have shaken the dust off my feet regarding you, as a witness and testimony unto the Lord. I bid you a serious: "Seek the Lord, David, as He is, for you know Him not at all today." Good bye. -- Rick C. Hodgin |
| Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com>: Jan 08 10:40AM -0800 On Tuesday, January 8, 2019 at 12:16:08 PM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > you deny God, are in rebellion against Him, and will never see Him as > anything other than some kind of joke. Not at all! I think the story of the Hebrew God is one of the great literary creations, rivaling that of Hamlet or any of the other great literary figures. It is fascinating to follow the evolution of God in the texts, from a genocidal warrior to a law-giver to a protector of the downtrodden. It is awe inspiring to think about the men and women who wrote these texts, and what they were trying to do. Best regards, Daniel |
| "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Jan 08 10:49AM -0800 On Tuesday, January 8, 2019 at 1:41:01 PM UTC-5, Daniel wrote: > > you deny God, are in rebellion against Him, and will never see Him as > > anything other than some kind of joke. > Not at all! I think the story of... You denied Him right there, which is what I was saying. You equate who He is to a story/fable, making Him out to be a joke. You are free to regard Him as you like, Daniel. The warning He gives, and the warning I convey to you from Him is this: Such a free will choice will cost you your eternal soul. It will leave your path on a course to the eternal lake of fire. And He does mean that literally. The choice is yours, Daniel, given to you by God. Make it a good one. -- Rick C. Hodgin |
| fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com>: Jan 08 11:24AM -0800 'houston we got a problem with imbecile here..' god is less problem than hodgin (as its idea you may understand more or less intelligent etc) as to hodgin people have trouble by treating this imbecile as a non-imbecile the solution is treat him as an imbecile (and imbecile is only a part of proper naming of this dork as everybody can se it is idiot with below average intellectual skills that talls to everobody (and to himself) he knows the truth (incidentally this a bulshit with no ground(*)) anybody dont know becouse they are 'wordly' thinking only and so on (*) except he talks of enlightment and act as total imbecile shit...if such are acting of really enlighted people that would be really weird hodgin is claerly a psyhopath, ha may not shoot gun but still he shoot people with imbecilic stupidity, and so on youst dont make fault and dont treat him as a legitimized user (as some halftrolls here sometimes do) .. treating accordingly (it is like dork) he would have much less toxicity as an effective spamer as anybody will know immediatelly this is that boring idiot again and he may may limited potential to make that imbecilic trash |
| Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com>: Jan 08 11:30AM -0800 On Tuesday, January 8, 2019 at 1:49:16 PM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > You equate who He is to a story/fable, making Him out to be a joke. Rick, You have a very binary way of thinking, either everything in the texts is literally true, or it is all a joke. I wonder what you would make of the other great classics, like Hamlet, or The Odyssey :-) A real religious scholar doesn't approach the texts the way you do. I would encourage you to study, and learn. Peace, Daniel |
| "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Jan 08 11:56AM -0800 On Tuesday, January 8, 2019 at 2:30:42 PM UTC-5, Daniel wrote: > Rick, > You have a very binary way of thinking, either everything in the texts is > literally true, or it is all a joke. The Bible teaches a binary way. People are either saved and born again of the spirit, or they are still in their sin, condemned to eternal Hellfire. That is the condition thrust upon us when we are born, and if we live to the age of accountability, our fate is then cast into our hands and what we did with Jesus Christ. God judges us based on what we know, on how He's reached out to that person, etc. People on desert islands can still be saved. People in remote tribal nations, etc. But for people here, and in places where the gospel's taught ... there is MORE information they have than other people have, so they will be judged based on what they know. I didn't used to know if the Bible content was true or not. I began to search it out so I could find flaws and disprove it so I could be truly justified in my atheism, rather than assuming I was right and the Bible was wrong. It was when I began to seri- ously seek to know the truth of the Bible that God opened up my understanding in the spirit, so I could know the truth. The change totally freaked me out. I was unprepared for it, and my mouth was hanging open for weeks in disbelief over what had just happened to me. I'm still amazed 14+ years later Bottom line: Until a person is born again, they cannot know what they don't know. It's why songs like Amazing Grace have these lyrics: I once was lost, but now am found. Was blind, but now I see. Those lyrics are not in there for nothing. That's a former slave- trading man who came to Jesus and saw how wrong he had been his whole life, and how Christ had mercy on him and saved him. Changed his whole life, and he's served as an inspiration for many Christ- ians since. Go to a church, Daniel, and ask to speak to born again Christians. Ask them to tell you about the transformation, about how their eyes were opened from the worldly ways to God's ways. Get perspectives from people who aren't me and come back here and report to all of us what they say. Go to a Bible-believing church, and specifically ask to speak to born again Christians with a life- changing testimony, as there are many bodies in church, but not all of them are saved. Ask specifically to speak to people who would've called themselves "of the world" or in "worldly ways" before salva- tion, and how they've changed since. And also ask them about the struggles their flesh gives them, which war against their spirit. Get the testimony of several people and then report back here what you find in a few weeks. -- Rick C. Hodgin |
| "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid>: Jan 08 12:41PM -0800 On 1/7/2019 7:07 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > I would never do it to Chris or anybody else. But his lackadaisical > attitude prompts me to recognize it would be an appropriate response > by certain individuals. You think of me as some sort of disobedient child? Thanks man. ;^o |
| "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Jan 08 12:42PM -0800 On Tuesday, January 8, 2019 at 2:56:16 PM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > struggles their flesh gives them, which war against their spirit. > Get the testimony of several people and then report back here what > you find in a few weeks. I'll give you an example of one testimony from a deacon at the church I belong to. He was an atheist. His wife was saved, but he didn't like it. He was trying to keep her from going to church, trying to keep his hold / handle on her. Two weeks she hadn't been to church and one of the ministers from her church stopped by to see how she was doing. He saw the young minister coming up the driveway and got fiery mad. He was going to go out there and give that preacher a piece of his mind. He tore out the door and began barking at the young man, telling him to get off his property, that their life is none of his busi- ness, etc. He was there all-but-yelling at the young man and he could feel on the inside the wrongness of what he was doing. It caught him off guard and he paused and looked at the young man and kind of cocked his head sideways like how a dog does when it sees something it doesn't understand. He backed away a few steps and could not fathom what was going on. The young minister asked him if he was okay, and the man (now a deacon) stammered and stuttered and couldn't find the words, be- cause what was happening to him in the inside was new life. He went through several emotions and to make a long story short, he was saved that evening. He asked Jesus to forgive him and he's been on fire for the Lord ever since. He and his wife attend church together, and have now for many years (probably over 20 years). He was in mid-to-late 40s when he was saved. Has never been the same since. It happens to people, Daniel. Here's an example from a person whose life was changed and he now posts regularly on YouTube: My Testimony.... How Jesus Christ Changed My Life And How He Can Change Yours! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxXgHwKLhzo Here's my testimony from 2008: Seeing Jesus' eyes in November 2003 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ivvvs8ZqPUA Note: It was actually October 31 / November 1, 2003. -- Rick C. Hodgin |
| Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk>: Jan 08 08:43PM On 08/01/2019 17:31, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > I bid you a serious: "Seek the Lord, David, as He is, for you know > Him not at all today." > Good bye. I suggest others take the same approach as David in a multi-pronged attack as David clearly has Hodgin riled up. Rick C. Hodgin: Worst. Proselytizer. Ever. /Flibble -- "You won't burn in hell. But be nice anyway." – Ricky Gervais "I see Atheists are fighting and killing each other again, over who doesn't believe in any God the most. Oh, no..wait.. that never happens." – Ricky Gervais "Suppose it's all true, and you walk up to the pearly gates, and are confronted by God," Bryne asked on his show The Meaning of Life. "What will Stephen Fry say to him, her, or it?" "I'd say, bone cancer in children? What's that about?" Fry replied. "How dare you? How dare you create a world to which there is such misery that is not our fault. It's not right, it's utterly, utterly evil." "Why should I respect a capricious, mean-minded, stupid God who creates a world that is so full of injustice and pain. That's what I would say." |
| "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid>: Jan 08 12:48PM -0800 On 1/8/2019 11:56 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: >> You have a very binary way of thinking, either everything in the texts is >> literally true, or it is all a joke. > The Bible teaches a binary way. Are you trying to suggest that God does not understand n-ary? Say, quinary? [...] |
| "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Jan 08 01:01PM -0800 On Tuesday, January 8, 2019 at 3:48:17 PM UTC-5, Chris M. Thomasson wrote: > >> literally true, or it is all a joke. > > The Bible teaches a binary way. > Are you trying to suggest that God does not understand n-ary? Say, quinary? Ask DNA that question. -- Rick C. Hodgin |
| Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk>: Jan 08 09:01PM On 08/01/2019 20:42, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > Seeing Jesus' eyes in November 2003 > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ivvvs8ZqPUA > Note: It was actually October 31 / November 1, 2003. So you are a Christian because you had a dream, told everyone who was Christian that you had a dream which they saw as a sign that you would come to believe so you subconsciously succumbed to peer pressure not wanting disappoint all the Christians you know and became a believer "after reading the bible". LOL. "Jesus exists because I had a dream". You couldn't make it up. Rick, you are so full of shit. /Flibble -- "You won't burn in hell. But be nice anyway." – Ricky Gervais "I see Atheists are fighting and killing each other again, over who doesn't believe in any God the most. Oh, no..wait.. that never happens." – Ricky Gervais "Suppose it's all true, and you walk up to the pearly gates, and are confronted by God," Bryne asked on his show The Meaning of Life. "What will Stephen Fry say to him, her, or it?" "I'd say, bone cancer in children? What's that about?" Fry replied. "How dare you? How dare you create a world to which there is such misery that is not our fault. It's not right, it's utterly, utterly evil." "Why should I respect a capricious, mean-minded, stupid God who creates a world that is so full of injustice and pain. That's what I would say." |
| "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Jan 08 01:12PM -0800 On Tuesday, January 8, 2019 at 4:01:43 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote: > come to believe so you subconsciously succumbed to peer pressure not > wanting disappoint all the Christians you know and became a believer > "after reading the bible". No. The dream happened when I was an atheist. I had something "click" inside of me that I could not deny, but I was still an atheist in my natural thinking. I still remember that dream in 2019. It was really quite something. But... It wasn't until July 2004 when I began studying the Bible, seek- ing with sincerity to know the truth of what it said, and I even did this with the intent / purpose in my heart to dismantle the Bible piece-by-piece, proving it wrong so I could look myself in the eye in the mirror knowing that I was justified in turning my back on its teachings because it was wrong. It was then, when I began studying the Bible, that God continued His reaching out to me, drawing me in ... and He did so in a way that was not like other things. I was "hearing" or "feeling" a new thing guiding me. I later learned it was the spirit, and it was confirming the things of the Bible. You can seek to know the truth about things, or you can conclude your own opinions about it. The truth leads you to Christ and sets you free. Following your own opinions KEEPS you on the way to eternal Hellfire. -- Rick C. Hodgin |
| "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Jan 08 01:13PM -0800 On Tuesday, January 8, 2019 at 3:43:35 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote: > I suggest others take the same approach as David in a multi-pronged attack > as David clearly has Hodgin riled up. I have turned my back on David because of his treatment of me over years. I still pray for him, as I do for you, Leigh. Your name is often heard in my prayers, along with many others from these forums. -- Rick C. Hodgin |
| Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk>: Jan 08 09:13PM On 08/01/2019 21:12, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > your own opinions about it. The truth leads you to Christ and > sets you free. Following your own opinions KEEPS you on the way > to eternal Hellfire. LOL. "Jesus exists because I had a dream". You couldn't make it up. Rick, you are so full of shit. /Flibble -- "You won't burn in hell. But be nice anyway." – Ricky Gervais "I see Atheists are fighting and killing each other again, over who doesn't believe in any God the most. Oh, no..wait.. that never happens." – Ricky Gervais "Suppose it's all true, and you walk up to the pearly gates, and are confronted by God," Bryne asked on his show The Meaning of Life. "What will Stephen Fry say to him, her, or it?" "I'd say, bone cancer in children? What's that about?" Fry replied. "How dare you? How dare you create a world to which there is such misery that is not our fault. It's not right, it's utterly, utterly evil." "Why should I respect a capricious, mean-minded, stupid God who creates a world that is so full of injustice and pain. That's what I would say." |
| Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk>: Jan 08 09:24PM On 08/01/2019 21:13, Mr Flibble wrote: >> to eternal Hellfire. > LOL. "Jesus exists because I had a dream". You couldn't make it up. > Rick, you are so full of shit. Now we have this new information as to how you became "born again" I will throw you a bone: research something called "confirmation bias". /Flibble -- "You won't burn in hell. But be nice anyway." – Ricky Gervais "I see Atheists are fighting and killing each other again, over who doesn't believe in any God the most. Oh, no..wait.. that never happens." – Ricky Gervais "Suppose it's all true, and you walk up to the pearly gates, and are confronted by God," Bryne asked on his show The Meaning of Life. "What will Stephen Fry say to him, her, or it?" "I'd say, bone cancer in children? What's that about?" Fry replied. "How dare you? How dare you create a world to which there is such misery that is not our fault. It's not right, it's utterly, utterly evil." "Why should I respect a capricious, mean-minded, stupid God who creates a world that is so full of injustice and pain. That's what I would say." |
| gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack): Jan 08 09:32PM In article <ba161ae4-0159-475c-bc56-40febe2e2100@googlegroups.com>, >I have turned my back on David because of his treatment of me over >years. I still pray for him, as I do for you, Leigh. Your name is >often heard in my prayers, along with many others from these forums. What about my friends, Stan, Kyle and Eric? Are you praying for them, too? -- The randomly chosen signature file that would have appeared here is more than 4 lines long. As such, it violates one or more Usenet RFCs. In order to remain in compliance with said RFCs, the actual sig can be found at the following URL: http://user.xmission.com/~gazelle/Sigs/BestCLCPostEver |
| "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Jan 08 01:34PM -0800 On Tuesday, January 8, 2019 at 4:24:13 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote: > Now we have this new information as to how you became "born again" I will > throw you a bone: research something called "confirmation bias". I will also give you the truth: The enemy cannot create new things. All he can do is try to pervert the truth into a lie, and then get people to believe that lie instead of the truth. Because of sin, he is able to attack you in your mind through the spirit influence, as well as the influence of the other people in the world he's like- wise deceived who seem to confirm the teaching, when in fact both sources come from him and his demon imps. You are being played for a fool, Leigh. You are being used. Satan hates you, hates God, hates Christians, and he is using you to lash out at God, to harm Him, to harm you, to harm everyone, because he knows his future is lost, and he wants to take down as much of God's creation as he can. Don't let him. Seek the truth. Seek Jesus Christ and He will show you how to defeat that enemy, and to teach others to do the same. -- Rick C. Hodgin |
| Manfred <noname@add.invalid>: Jan 08 02:09PM +0100 On 1/7/2019 11:44 PM, Jorgen Grahn wrote: > and learn to write good C++. IMO, the line between old and crufty C++ > and modern C++ is C++98, when the standard library containers appeared > and (years later) people started using them properly. This sounds a bit simplistic, I think. If C++98 was a major breakthrough, C++11 was somewhat of a major revision too. So, if one wishes to catch up today, I would recommend the 4th edition to start with. On top of this, a reasonable follow-up could be "Effective Modern C++" by Scott Meyers. >> But this C++ language seems to grow and grow, and >> new standards arrive frequently. I am pretty confused. I a no fan of ever-changing languages either. In fact I consider every change to the language a cost, which is not always paid off by the benefit of the new feature. More precisely, I do not agree with those who claim that a new feature is inexpensive if you don't want to use it - even if you don't use it, you need to know about it, and this is not cost-free. I agree with others that C++14 and C++17 are less big of a change wrt C++11. C++20 is probably going to be another major change, especially in the area of template metaprogramming, because of the introduction of template argument requirements (aka C++ "concepts" - btw poor choice of name IMVHO) Besides changes in the language, in the standard library there have been a lot of additions wrt C++98, like e.g. concurrency, resource management ({unique,shared,weak}_ptr etc.), traits, etc. which are worth knowing about. An overview can be found in https://en.cppreference.com/w/ with some indication of which C++ version introduced what. |
| sten.unto@gmail.com (Unto Sten): Jan 08 06:57PM > https://stackoverflow.com/questions/388242/the-definitive-c-book-guide-and-list > The tastes vary but certainly the books that are > mentioned there are worth reading. Thanks for the tip. Best regards, Unto Sten |
| "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach+usenet@gmail.com>: Jan 08 08:52PM +0100 On 08.01.2019 16:26, Daniel wrote: > Just curious, does anyone here read the big tome books anymore, such as Lippman and Stroustrup? Does a book that purports to cover "just about everything in the language" have a place anymore? > At one time, I had an early edition of Lippman on my shelf, which I used as a reference. But nobody needs a book as a reference anymore. cppreference performs that role admirably. > As for programming techniques, take unicode. I did a search on unicode in my Stroustrup third edition, and find many sentences like "There are six kinds of character literals supporting Unicode" (Unicode literals.) This sounds excessive, but there are three major encodings of Unicode: UTF-8, UTF-16, and UTF-32. For each of these three alternatives, both raw and "ordinary" strings are supported." Etc. etc. etc. But nothing about emerging consensus in how to work with unicode in practical C++ applications. Bjarne hasn't had time to do anything about it. Or hadn't, a year ago. There is already an /established/ consensus for handling Unicode, namely, use UTF-8 for all external text representation as well as internal general handling, and convert to/from other UTF's e.g. for using the ICU library, or the Windows API. To use UTF-8 in simple Windows console applications in a portable way you can use my Wrapped Stdlib header library. Also, there was already the first stages of adoption of an UTF-8 i/o library in Boost, but it required explicit use of its functionality (not just ordinary iostreams i/o) and it didn't correctly handle line termination in Windows, when I tried it. However, the goal of Wrapped Stdlib was to introduce as /little/ as possible that wasn't already in the standard library. It was a technical corrigendum, so to speak. And I chose wrong: I chose to address some compiler peculiarities, to provide automatic fixes, so that the novice should not have to struggle with complicated technical issues just to get up and running, but I should have known, from experience, that it's impossible to keep up with Microsoft's sabotage-like steady stream of new pecularities, e.g. diagnostics avalanches from perfectly valid and good code, that one must opt out from by defining a macro... > If I were recommending a book from the list, I would probably pick Koenig's Accelerated C++, mostly because it's shorter. Somebody learning C++ doesn't need an encyclopedia, for what reason would they want an encyclopedia? But unfortunately it doesn't look like it's ever been updated. Yup. Cheers!, - Alf |
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