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| sten.unto@gmail.com (Unto Sten): Jan 05 10:32PM Hello! Years ago, I read Bjärne's C++ Book, third edition. I never did any real C++ programming, but I have read some C++ source, and am familiar with most of the core concepts. Since then, C++ Book 4th edition has appeared, covering C++11. But after that we have C++14 and Bjärne says in: http://www.stroustrup.com/C++11FAQ.html #################################################### Will there be a C++1y? Almost certainly -- and not just because the committee has slipped the deadline for C++0x. The plans for minor revisions, C++14, are well advanced (the features have been voted into the working draft and implemented), and the plan is for a major revision in 2017, C++17. #################################################### Bjärne says C++11 feels "like a new language" and yet C++17 is planned to be "a major revision"...? Yes, C++17 materialized: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%2B%2B17 According to Wikipedia, the next standard is going to be C++20. I do not mean to be trolling, but I would like to take the time learn C++ properly, since incorrect C++ usage seems to me as dangerous as incorrect usage of C. So many chances to create nasty bugs when falling victim to undefined behaviour and so on. But this C++ language seems to grow and grow, and new standards arrive frequently. I am pretty confused. What on earth should one do to learn this language? Yeah, they say most C++ projects use only a subset of C++ features, but those subsets can be different for different groups - forcing you to learn a lot. Quite frankly, I am going crazy here, not knowing how to start. Yeah, I know OOP pretty well, but I am thinking of all those C++ details that you have to master... I guess I should buy C++ Book 4th edition, but I am afraid those new standards make some features outdated, and introduce new ways of doing things. Best regards, Unto Sten |
| Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com>: Jan 06 11:56AM +1300 On 06/01/2019 11:32, Unto Sten wrote: > I guess I should buy C++ Book 4th edition, but I > am afraid those new standards make some features > outdated, and introduce new ways of doing things. Yes, buy the 4th edition, it is a good starting point. The changes between the original C++ and C++11 where the most significant to date. C++14 was a mopping up exercise and C++17 brings in some new stuff but the changes are nowhere near as significant as those in C++11. Once you have a foothold, learn by doing! -- Ian. |
| rbowman <bowman@montana.com>: Dec 29 04:06PM -0700 On 12/29/2018 02:03 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: >> that can be done much more transparently? > Do you realize you're harming yourself and many people with the words > you use in your writing? Ask me if I give a ... Well, you get the idea. I'm old, grumpy, and I don't suffer fools gladly. |
| David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>: Dec 29 05:26PM +0100 On 29/12/2018 16:42, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > It also implicitly documents the purpose of that code nearby, > as being part of each if{} statement's prepare, test, cleanup > code. If your suggestion works out to that code, why not just write that code? It is simpler and clearer, and would make it obvious that the "cleanup" code is not called if the branch is taken. And the "goto" can be avoided by using nested "if", or early returns, if that is what bothers you. I am at a loss to understand why you want so many new syntaxes for different ways of writing the same code in different non-sequential orders. |
| "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Dec 30 04:12PM -0500 On 12/30/2018 4:00 PM, Siri Cruise wrote: > })) { > ... > } So the general concept of encapsulation of this code is not such a bad idea ... GNU added similar features. Good to know. -- Rick C. Hodgin |
| Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk>: Dec 29 04:32PM On 29/12/2018 16:26, David Brown wrote: > by using nested "if", or early returns, if that is what bothers you. > I am at a loss to understand why you want so many new syntaxes for > different ways of writing the same code in different non-sequential orders. The problem is Rick doesn't understand how to use modern C++ properly. He appears to be unaware of the RAII idiom and how it relates to scope bound resource management for example. Rick is a classic case of DOING IT WRONG due to ignorance. Rick is attempting to wallpaper over the gaps in his knowledge with his klunky "language extensions". /Flibble -- "You won't burn in hell. But be nice anyway." – Ricky Gervais "I see Atheists are fighting and killing each other again, over who doesn't believe in any God the most. Oh, no..wait.. that never happens." – Ricky Gervais "Suppose it's all true, and you walk up to the pearly gates, and are confronted by God," Bryne asked on his show The Meaning of Life. "What will Stephen Fry say to him, her, or it?" "I'd say, bone cancer in children? What's that about?" Fry replied. "How dare you? How dare you create a world to which there is such misery that is not our fault. It's not right, it's utterly, utterly evil." "Why should I respect a capricious, mean-minded, stupid God who creates a world that is so full of injustice and pain. That's what I would say." |
| rbowman <bowman@montana.com>: Dec 30 11:23AM -0700 On 12/30/2018 08:39 AM, Kenny McCormack wrote: >> abuse found on American TV shows is ignorance, laziness, or the >> evolution of language. > All of the above. I doubt if it is limited to American TV. Besides, most of our actors are Brits or Aussies :) |
| "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Jan 05 11:32AM -0500 On 1/4/2019 6:43 PM, seeplus wrote: > So then you will have an eternity to commit to memory all those CAlive > rules and operations. :-) You'll be able to code in CAlive as you always have in C and with the basic class and associated abilities in C++. You don't have to learn or use any of its new features. -- Rick C. Hodgin |
| gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack): Jan 05 07:05PM In article <q0qm3f$8om$1@dont-email.me>, >You'll be able to code in CAlive as you always have in C and with the >basic class and associated abilities in C++. You don't have to learn >or use any of its new features. Proving once again how little Rick understands the software development process. -- Faith doesn't give you the answers; it just stops you from asking the questions. |
| Elephant Man <conanospamic@gmail.com>: Dec 29 04:58PM Article d'annulation émis par un modérateur JNTP via Nemo. |
| ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram): Dec 30 09:44PM >heard about that damnation only rather recently. Does that mean you are >not supposed to say "What are you looking for?" but should say "For what >are you looking?" instead? "Although I have been using networks for quite a while now, it never occured to me to type 'ending a sentence with a preposition' into a Web search engine or to ask questions about English in the newsgroup 'alt.usage.english', where they are on-topic. Instead, I prefer to ask about English prepositions using a cross post into two programming-language newsgroups." - SCNR |
| Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk>: Dec 29 04:20PM On 29/12/2018 15:57, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > are willfully blind, and you will not change because of your love > of sin coupled to the hard heart it's given you. You will remain > in my prayers. Do you recognize that homosexuality isn't a choice? Do you accept that homosexuality is entirely natural? /Flibble -- "You won't burn in hell. But be nice anyway." – Ricky Gervais "I see Atheists are fighting and killing each other again, over who doesn't believe in any God the most. Oh, no..wait.. that never happens." – Ricky Gervais "Suppose it's all true, and you walk up to the pearly gates, and are confronted by God," Bryne asked on his show The Meaning of Life. "What will Stephen Fry say to him, her, or it?" "I'd say, bone cancer in children? What's that about?" Fry replied. "How dare you? How dare you create a world to which there is such misery that is not our fault. It's not right, it's utterly, utterly evil." "Why should I respect a capricious, mean-minded, stupid God who creates a world that is so full of injustice and pain. That's what I would say." |
| "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Dec 29 11:54AM -0500 On 12/29/2018 11:20 AM, Mr Flibble wrote: > Do you recognize that homosexuality isn't a choice? Do you accept that > homosexuality is entirely natural? This is going to difficult to understand if you're not seeking the truth, but I will teach you the truth. If you cannot understand it today, re- member this at some future point when you do set your eyes on the truth. Homosexuality is not normal. It is a choice. It is caused by the induce- ment of external influences upon your flesh. These external influences come from evil spirits pumping a person full of spiritual input that alters the way the flesh feels. The person feels the input, and concludes it's who they are, what they are, how they are, etc., but it's artificial in nature. It's injected into them by an evil entity seeking to keep them in sin, focused on the flesh, unwilling to seek the truth and be set free. When a person seeks the truth, God sees them seeking the truth. He looks beyond the outer appearance, beyond even their own words and statements, and sees straight through clearly to the heart and its true intent. When God sees a person seeking the truth, He reaches into their life and inputs HIS OWN spiritual input, which causes that person to be moved in the way they SHOULD BE moved. This causes them to now know and see His guidance, and for that guidance to override the false and destructive guidance of their own sin nature, coupled to any input from evil spirits guiding them toward falseness through more sin. Homosexuals are not the only ones who receive this input, Leigh. It happens to everyone world-wide. Even to Christians. There are some born again Christians who are so weakened in their walk due to this same evil spirit influence, that they cannot rightly understand or see God, they are still as carnal men and women. Paul writes about these types of Christians, calling them carnal, teaching them that they need to focus on the spiritual component. Satan owns our flesh. It is fallen in sin. It becomes corrupt, has a limited lifespan, ages, can become sick, etc. He and his demon imps can inject their influence to tempt us to sin, and they are eternal beings who watch us from birth, tempting us to go left and right at various stages, keeping notes, learning what we will acquiesce to, what we'll stand fast in, and they attack us where we're weakest. ----- I guarantee everyone that if they will turn toward Christ and pursue that which they know is right, even if they are powerless to overcome the influence of their flesh working against their inner will in this life, God will see them seeking with a real effort to break out of that sin, and HE PERSONALLY will come into their life and make it POS- SIBLE to overcome. In fact, I can testify that when I was still an atheist, I wanted to know the truth for real. I was absolutely and completely firmly resolved within myself that I was going to get a real, true, and proper understanding of Biblical writings in context. I did this so I could rightly then stand up and say with authority that the Bible was garbage, that I was justified in being an atheist, that I wasn't just guessing and assuming, and that I be able to look myself in the mirror and know with pride that I was moving in truth. But, when I set my sights on knowing the truth, God knew my true heart's intent. I was thinking truth was one thing, but I really did want to know the truth, and was prepared to admit if I was wrong. His Holy Spirit presence overshadowed my life to such an extent that I was moved in ways I cannot describe, could not understand. There were times I said out loud, "What's happening?" God was reaching into my life by the influence of His Holy Spirit to guide me from where I was to where I would meet His Son a the cross and be saved. And after I was saved, the change came over me and I was absolutely floored. Totally in disbelief at what had just hap- pened to me. I literally 100% changed, and was a new person. The spirit nature is real. It impacts the flesh world-wide. I be- lieve there are forces at work in our media, movies, radio, adver- tisements, etc., that are influencing us toward sin continually, so that more and more of their (evil spirit) brothers and sisters can gain entrance into our lives, so they can have more and more influ- ence, pushing Christianity and Christ out of things. I believe that is the big thrust of the "tolerance" movement right now, that we must all be accommodating other people's beliefs, catering to the lowest common denominator, so that no one is offended. It's not about being offended, it's about keeping people in their place of sin. And it's not about being guided by personal wants or wishes, but about the plans of those evil spirits to keep people tied to sin explicitly so they are not saved. Jesus is before all of mankind. There are no people anywhere where He has not entered into their life to make His presence known in one way or another. It may not have come through a Bible, or through an evangelist, or a missionary, or anything other than Jesus Himself speaking to each person on the inside, without words, making His pre- sence toward truth, righteousness, love, holiness, purity, etc., known in their lives. And all people everywhere hear His voice, and then respond to it, receiving it, being indifferent to it, or reject- ing it. Each of us is accountable for our actions. If any person is con- founded by sin that they do not want, then they must turn toward Christ and ask Him to forgive their sin, save their soul, and give them the strength they need to say no to sin, to come out from sin, to be set free from sin, and to take their rightful place, the place Christ came to the Earth, suffered, died, was buried, and rose again, to enable them to occupy: their eternal place in Heaven in His King- dom without end. That famous song, "And we all shine on ... like the moon, and the stars, and the sun" ... it won't happen for everyone. That song is another of Satan's misguidings to men that we are all going to be that way. The truth is, only those who come to Christ and are for- given for their sin will shine on forever. The rest will be cast into the lake of fire, which is eternal, which will never end. All who will seek the truth will be saved. All who are written in the Lamb's Book of Life will not enter into judgment, but are saved and have eternal life. It only takes that true and honest pursuit of truth, of recognizing that God is real, that He created the universe, that you have sin, that God sent His Son Jesus to forgive you for that sin, to repent and believe and ask forgiveness, confess with your mouth, and you will be saved. There are no hills to climb. No hoops to jump through. It is all about faith in God, that pursuit of truth, that desire to follow truth. Jesus does the hard part. We simply ask Him to save us, and when we are sincere He does. ----- Homosexuality is a particularly strong evil spirit influence. There are many testimonies of people who have come out of homosexuality through Christ. You can watch them on YouTube. An app on Apple's website was just recently banned because it has something to do with the author being "ex-gay" and teaches people that you can come out from homosexuality. The anti-Christ evil spirits at work in men and women complained about that app, and Apple removed it from their store. It is more of the anti-Christ influence to try and keep people bound up in their sin, and with the inability to hear that there is a way out of it through Christ. In fact, the only way out of it is through Christ, hence the strong push to keep Him out of everything. All sin condemns a soul. But Jesus came to forgive our sin, and to set us free from it. Turn toward Him, seek the truth, ask God to set you free from lies and falseness, and He will. There's a Biblical story about the Prodigal Son that relates to us in our sin. It is about the son who takes his inheritance, leaves the father's house, goes off into the world and lives high on rowdy and raucous worldly living. He soon consumes all his money, and is destitute. He then remembers the life he had in his father's house, and how even the servants at his father's house lived better than he is living now. He knew because of how he had left he could never be a son again in that family, but he had the thought to humble him- self and go back and become a servant. But the father (in this story the father is a metaphor for God, and we are the prodigal son who left for riotous living, only to then come to a humble place seeking to return), when he sees his son com- ing afar off, runs out to meet him. Orders the finest robes to be brought, and to kill the fatted calf and has a celebration. The son says he is not worthy to be received back into the family, but he would like to be as one of the servants, but the father steps up the lavishing of gifts to him even more proclaiming, my son was lost, but now he is found. He had gone away, but now he has come back, proclaiming that it is a time of celebration and rejoicing. No matter how far we go away from God, when we come to that place of humbling ourselves, of recognizing that we are wrong, or that we are not right, and that there is something more than what we're seeking, that the things of this world are leaving us hollow, empty inside, then we turn toward Him in the smallest amount, God comes running to us and guides us the rest of the way. He really does love us. He is patient and will forgive all of our sin, no matter how bad it's been, for how long, to whom, anything else. All is forgiven when we turn toward Him and ask for that for- giveness. ----- The spirit nature has our flesh pinned down in sin. We can only sin. For some this means cheating, lying, committing adultery, being a drunkard, spending too much time focused on hobbies or even a multitude of things that seem to not be harmful, but they keep us away from the things God calls us to in this world. For some it is homosexuality. For others drug addiction. Porn. Any number of things. The spirit nature (evil spirits influencing our flesh) keep us pinned down. But if we will press in and seek after God and do our part in coming to Him, He will do the rest. -- Rick C. Hodgin |
| Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk>: Dec 29 05:02PM On 29/12/2018 16:54, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > On 12/29/2018 11:20 AM, Mr Flibble wrote: >> Do you recognize that homosexuality isn't a choice? Do you accept that >> homosexuality is entirely natural? [snipped; TL;DR] As I suspected asking you those two questions was indeed an act of giving you just enough rope to hang yourself with. /Flibble -- "You won't burn in hell. But be nice anyway." – Ricky Gervais "I see Atheists are fighting and killing each other again, over who doesn't believe in any God the most. Oh, no..wait.. that never happens." – Ricky Gervais "Suppose it's all true, and you walk up to the pearly gates, and are confronted by God," Bryne asked on his show The Meaning of Life. "What will Stephen Fry say to him, her, or it?" "I'd say, bone cancer in children? What's that about?" Fry replied. "How dare you? How dare you create a world to which there is such misery that is not our fault. It's not right, it's utterly, utterly evil." "Why should I respect a capricious, mean-minded, stupid God who creates a world that is so full of injustice and pain. That's what I would say." |
| "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Dec 29 12:14PM -0500 On 12/29/2018 12:02 PM, Mr Flibble wrote: >>> Do you recognize that homosexuality isn't a choice? Do you accept that >>> homosexuality is entirely natural? > [snipped; TL;DR] The truth requires understanding, explanation, Leigh. It's an effort of teaching to bring it to people (Matthew 28:18-20). That post I made takes only a few minutes to read. You keep yourself purposefully in a state of ignorance because you know if you being to test your assumptions and beliefs against the truth, they'll fail you. It's your choice. I've taught you the truth. I am free of your blood. -- Rick C. Hodgin |
| "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Dec 29 12:37PM -0500 On 12/29/2018 12:19 PM, fir wrote: > youre on your way to hell slave of the devil, you know that ? > you may ignore the truth imbecile slave of devil but not much long the devil will > get his plaything ..... scary isnt it devil plaything.. did you heard about lake of fire ? No one need go to Hell, fir. People send themselves there because they will not seek the truth. Jesus is truth. Those who will not seek the truth will not seek Jesus. Those who seek the truth, whether they know it or not (as I did not know it in my seeking of the truth) seek Jesus. It is written: "You will seek me, and find me, when you seek me with all your heart." It's your choice. I've taught you the truth. I am free of your blood too, fir. -- Rick C. Hodgin |
| "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Dec 29 12:53PM -0500 On 12/29/2018 12:42 PM, fir wrote: >> It's your choice. I've taught you the truth. I am free of your blood >> too, fir. > you dont seek the truth imbecile plaything of a devil..you tell lies Which lie? Let's put your claim to the test. State what you think I have lied about specifically. -- Rick C. Hodgin |
| Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk>: Dec 29 06:03PM On 29/12/2018 17:53, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: >> you dont seek the truth imbecile plaything of a devil..you tell lies > Which lie? Let's put your claim to the test. State what you think > I have lied about specifically. Virtually everything you write is a lie; the fact that you think it is true doesn't change the fact that it is a lie. /Flibble -- "You won't burn in hell. But be nice anyway." – Ricky Gervais "I see Atheists are fighting and killing each other again, over who doesn't believe in any God the most. Oh, no..wait.. that never happens." – Ricky Gervais "Suppose it's all true, and you walk up to the pearly gates, and are confronted by God," Bryne asked on his show The Meaning of Life. "What will Stephen Fry say to him, her, or it?" "I'd say, bone cancer in children? What's that about?" Fry replied. "How dare you? How dare you create a world to which there is such misery that is not our fault. It's not right, it's utterly, utterly evil." "Why should I respect a capricious, mean-minded, stupid God who creates a world that is so full of injustice and pain. That's what I would say." |
| "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Dec 29 01:55PM -0500 On 12/29/2018 1:03 PM, Mr Flibble wrote: >> I have lied about specifically. > Virtually everything you write is a lie; the fact that you think it is true > doesn't change the fact that it is a lie. I write things that back into sources. I can quote those sources and you can research them and see if the things I write are in context. You'll find they are. In addition, if you have issue with the source material, that's between you and it, not you and me. -- Rick C. Hodgin |
| "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Dec 29 02:52PM -0500 On 12/29/2018 2:48 PM, fir wrote: > you lie if you dont present yourself as an imbecile posessed by devil > quotation on imbecilles possessed on devil and skiping you are is manipulation > thet you do - i guess hovever evil manipulated you, so you dont een know yhe truth : youre imbecile possessed by devil Same question. What specifically do have I written which is a lie? If you cannot indicate what it was, and if it doesn't hold up to scrutiny, then you must conclude that you are the one in error, fir. -- Rick C. Hodgin |
| "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Dec 29 03:50PM -0500 On 12/29/2018 2:58 PM, fir wrote: > prove that youre not .. imbecile possessed by devil first - then you will get the > truth por devil posessed moron Your statement is along the lines of this context: "Watermelons are blue on the inside until you cut them, then they turn red. Prove me wrong." You begin with an assertion. You make a claim and then state I must prove you are wrong. It doesn't work like that. You must provide evidence that you are right right. But as for my proof, I point you to the Bible. If you seek to know the truth and read the Bible, you will find it. God affirms His own existence for all who will seek the truth. For those who will not, there is this purposeful division for this point, so that men and women who will not seek the truth are separated very clearly from those who will. It is a literal 100% division, and all people world-wide are so branded. There are no bystanders, no non- participants. If you are alive, you are all in. You are all in, fir. God calls out to you in multiple ways, and you will not hear Him. Why? Why do you deny God? Because your eyes cannot see Him? Do you not see Him when you look at a newborn, or into the Heavens are realize how big the universe is (if the Earth were the size of a grain of sand, the universe would extend out 29x the distance from the sun to Neptune). I ask you to find any fault in my statements. I will gladly admit I am wrong and correct them in future teaching if you do. I do not see to push "Rick's ideas," but I do seek to teach those things God first taught us in the Bible. Have you ever read the Bible? Do you even know what (who) it is you are rejecting? Or is your opinion based only on non-evidence, your own personal beliefs, things you've been taught by others? Are you unwilling to investigate what it says? Which one us is the liar? -- Rick C. Hodgin |
| "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>: Dec 29 04:12PM -0500 On 12/29/2018 3:58 PM, fir wrote: > we are talking about you being imbecileplaything of devil stupid imbecile Those who are of the devil will lead people AWAY from Christ, toward sin, toward an inflated sense of "self." Jesus teaches us to be giving to others, to diminish self, to teach all to be submissive to Him because of who He is, and who we are in this world. We are not self-made men. We need each other. We need to be comrades in arms. We need to have our love out front for one another, and that love stems form a true source, which is the love of Christ given over to mankind despite his sin. Do you have any sin, fir? Have you ever told a lie? Stolen something? Used God's name in vain (as a cuss word)? Of course you have. We all have at some point. That makes us guilty before God. What Jesus offers is a way to take away that guilt. Jesus steps in to take our guilt away and pay the price of that guilt for us, setting us free. If would be like if you have 500 parking tickets, and someone came up and said, "I've just paid your fines for all your parking tickets. You are free and clear!" That person gave you a gift you could appreci- ate ... assuming you knew you had 500 parking tickets. But if you didn't know, what difference would it make to you? "Thanks!" and then you'd walk away like, "Whatever!" But if you did know you had 500 parking tickets, it would be a huge release, especially when each one carries a $200 fine. How much more so being rescued from an eternal death in unending Hellfire? But, how can you place value on that if you do not know about it in the first place? Here's the teaching: You are a sinner. The cost of your sin is eternal death in Hell. You do not know that you are this sinner, and that you are headed to Hell because our culture is run by evil spirits at work in men and women to KEEP US from that knowledge. We are told we are fine as we are being part of our society, partaking in all its vices. We are not to look to God because He is so restrictive and His followers are bigots and haters, right? Wrong. The followers of Christ often make mistakes in how they teach others about Christ, including in how they live their own lives. I am guilty of this. We all are. It's very hard to live in this sinful world according to God's purposes and plans, and to do so consistently for years without error. But God's people teach about Christ. We teach not about ourselves, but about the ONE who CAN save us, who DOES NOT make mistakes. We point you to Him, just as we ourselves seek Him. If a person comes to realize they had sin, they would realize the gift God is giving us. That's what happens to those who will seek the truth. God pours out the gift of conviction, of repentance, and it drives us to our knees, to tears, to the cross, where we see that Jesus is offer- ing to take away our sin and set us free. When we get to that place, humbled, broken, realizing we are a sinner, then we are on the path to being saved, and when we are saved, it will mean so much more to us than those 500 parking tickets being paid for would, because our sin weight and cost is so much more. -- Rick C. Hodgin |
| Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk>: Dec 29 03:05PM On 29/12/2018 14:49, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: [snipped TL;DR] Jesus believed the Old Testament was the commandment of God (Matthew 15:3) ergo Jesus believed that homosexuals should be put to death (Leviticus 20:13). Do you agree with Jesus that homosexuals should be put to death or not? If Jesus is wrong about putting homosexuals to death then what else is Jesus wrong about? I thought gods were supposed to be infallible. /Flibble -- "You won't burn in hell. But be nice anyway." – Ricky Gervais "I see Atheists are fighting and killing each other again, over who doesn't believe in any God the most. Oh, no..wait.. that never happens." – Ricky Gervais "Suppose it's all true, and you walk up to the pearly gates, and are confronted by God," Bryne asked on his show The Meaning of Life. "What will Stephen Fry say to him, her, or it?" "I'd say, bone cancer in children? What's that about?" Fry replied. "How dare you? How dare you create a world to which there is such misery that is not our fault. It's not right, it's utterly, utterly evil." "Why should I respect a capricious, mean-minded, stupid God who creates a world that is so full of injustice and pain. That's what I would say." |
| James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu>: Dec 29 04:04PM -0500 On 12/27/18 21:34, Richard Damon wrote: ... > It used to be that an implementation was allowed to define -1 % 10 to be > 9, but they standard changed the rule for division so that that wasn't > allowed anymore. (It required -1/10 == -1) C90 allowed -1/10 to be either 0 or -1. C99 and later requires -1/10 to be 0. In all versions of the standard, the values returned by the % operator are defined by requiring that (a/b)*b + (a%b) == a. |
| Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org>: Dec 29 07:13PM -0500 On 12/29/18 4:04 PM, James Kuyper wrote: > C90 allowed -1/10 to be either 0 or -1. C99 and later requires -1/10 to > be 0. In all versions of the standard, the values returned by the % > operator are defined by requiring that (a/b)*b + (a%b) == a. My comment meant that for -1 % 10 to be 9 required that -1/10 to be -1, if -1/10 was 0 then -1 % 10 wouild need to be -1 (giving an example of liking / and % ) |
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